The correlation here is pretty weak especially how that 4-D power isn’t itself higher dimensional in size but higher dimensional energy concentrated onto his physical body
brother…….. it’s not my burden of proof to prove he’s doing something very specific
Im saying his resistances are based on his magical powers, and his magical powers allows him to interact with a physically 4D being
Your claim, your burden
Either you postulate his mind is physical and then arguments can be made or you don't make that postulate and therefore the "smurf" would only be range.
Then it’s just range and generic resistances.
lmao. I can’t prove the absence of something. You have to reasonably prove he is concentrating his power specifically to bypass resistances and I’m saying there isn’t evidence of such that fulfills this specific requirement.
What I’m trying to get at is that the stronger Sun Wukong gets, the stronger his mind is. That’s one of those cases that’s special, since even when the scroll's 4D mind hax was concentrated onto a single point, it still couldn’t affect Wukong.
You're kinda missing the point entirely....
Cool, still just a resistance and no smurf.
Unless I misunderstood the feat, it seems more like the mind here (especially with all the Chinese mythology stuff) than the brain. Except if stated, I think it makes more sense (regardless) to assume mind manipulation actually affect the mind than some stuff in your brain (since, frankly, that would be more like biological manipulation, ig).
I checked Sun Wukong's resists in his page and it seems the Scroll's mind manipulation comes with biology hax
Seems like it's not the case since those are listed separately?
Listed separately like?
They are listed as separate abilities and given the only feat as justification, it definitely seems more like mind than brain.
So is mind manip by default effects the abstract one?
It's my take on it, might be wrong, dunno. In that case, however, it definitely seems more logical.
So basically any mind manip users like Sasuke can effect abstract beings made of thoughts ig
It could effect souls too for some reason
3 pages already
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Ah yes, I love my 5D concepts and my 8D mind.
Tbf, even Sonic has resists to 5D mind manipulation
Are you going to send me all the profiles that have some sort of higher D hax potency? You do know I can just say "old standards ig" ?
From what I know, the smurf standards happened in 2023, 2 years ago. While things like 12D Honkai mind resist were accepted this year by staffs
the new revision litteraly happened days ago what are you on
Ditto.the new revision litteraly happened days ago what are you on
It was this onethe new revision litteraly happened days ago what are you on
Oh didn't know since @BestMGQScalerEver was the one who send me the 2023 thread regarding the current smurf standards
The Scroll's mind hax is actually biological since the way it works, it traps your soul into your past life's body as shown here by Tang into the pilgrim Monk
It did happen in 2023. It was just clarified more this year. A lot of people passing these stuff staff included seemed to just be oblivious to what was actually standard.
Ah thanks for clarifying. Was confused why Pedja and Oblivion mentioned the smurf standards only happened recently when it was accepted 2 years ago
I don't see how that proves anything. If anything, it's more related to the soul manipulation rather than a mind manipulation (which ultimately has the same issue as outlined for the Mind manipulation.)
the revision for hax was changed recently idk what made them wait 2 years but okay
That genually doesn't answer anything
The body still got altered tho as Tang can only become himself again after his biological alteration is reverted as shown here.
How the f*uck can a concept be dimensioned by default? So like, they are affected by spatially now? ABSTRACT CONCEPTS?!
Yeah, from the scene, it seems more like soul stuff rather than like "he transformed into that guy", then he remembered/got friendship power and came back. Tho, I'm not knowledgeable in the verse. I would personally feel like it's quite weird to assume otherwise for now. Especially since the character seems to have soul manipulation too on his profile.
Why should we assume concepts are unbounded by default without explicit proof from the verse itself to begin with? I feel like this is a big assumption
