Lego Monkie Kid Verse Fixing

[Lloydblitzed]

Let's get straight to the point

Spoiler: Lil Cosmology Change

Currently, nearly all the LMK pages have a note which explains the cosmology, althought briefly and without much details.

The Samadhi Fire would scale to at least hundreds of Universes, as its capable of destroying the Scroll of Memories, who force its prisoners to relive the worst parts of their past lives again forever, in the form of reality warped fake versions of the 4 Universes sized Multiverse, composed of the Celestial Realm, the Mortal Realm and Li Jing's prison. Those scrolls were shown to go by the hundreds)

Everyone scaling to the Scroll of Memory would be reliant on this scale because its based on the main multiverse's scale. Here's the current justification:

A single scroll was shown to contain multiple spacetimes as they went through Wukong's pastlives, consistent with Tang's statement that there bajillion chapters of Jttw inside the scroll, the scroll of memories was shown to have at least hundreds of scrolls with each contain it's own multitude spacetimes. here's another reference to the amount of scrolls. With this much context, it's likely MK was effecting at least over 200 universes at once

A cosmology page should be made for LMK, which would annex all the informations cited above and be formatted with the "missing details" who were already accepted on this CRT for the sake of making the scaling simpler

Spoiler: Wukong 4D mind hax

2-C AP being linked to your mind doesn't make your mind 4D (as Wukong lacks 4D existence to begin with).

Mind Manipulation (4D - As Wukong's power is tied to his mind, the more powerful he becomes, the more resistance he has to most or all forms of mind manipulation)

This specific justification should be removed and his feat of him resisting the mind hax of an supposively HDE being should be used to replace it. This should also affect everyone scaling to Wukong

Agree:
Disagree:
Neutral:

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Mind manip cant be 4-D in potency. It only works for range. So him resisting HDE being is just as good as him resisting normal mind manip.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Mind manip cant be 4-D in potency. It only works for range. So him resisting HDE being is just as good as him resisting normal mind manip.

Why isn't it smurf?

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Why isn't it smurf?

Since when did something abstract have a physical structure?

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Since when did something abstract have a physical structure?

Elaborate? I don't see how an ink like being is remotely physical

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Elaborate? I don't see how an ink like being is remotly physical

I was talking about you asking why a mind hax can't be smurf.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

I was talking about you asking why a mind hax can't be smurf.

Hax page said otherwise

Abilities that are higher-dimensional (tiering-applicable) wherein their power can be concentrated onto a small area, or are qualitatively superior to the physical stats of the character, e.g. a physically Tier 7 character capable of casting a 1-A reality warping attack, or hax which has a potency that is qualitatively superior to the baseline potenc

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

I don't think Reality warping can be considered fully "abstract"

 

[Lloydblitzed]

I don't think Reality warping can be considered fully "abstract"

He embodies everything that has ever happened/recorded in history, including a realm of information and by doing so, duplicates the Multiverse. Don't see how it goes against standards

Abstract Existence is the ability to embody an abstraction, such as a concept, thought, or information, and being immortal thanks to it

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

He embodies everything that has ever happened/recorded in history, including a realm of information and by doing so, duplicates the Multiverse. Don't see how it goes against standards

Did you read what we said?

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Did you read what we said?

I did and I replied to your argument that says the Scroll of Memory is RW and not fully abstract

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

I did and I replied to your argument that says the Scroll of Memory is RW and not fully abstract

And how does that relate to "4D mind manipulation"?

 

[Lloydblitzed]

And how does that relate to "4D mind manipulation"?

Read the OP. You brought up the AE aspect btw, not me

 

[Arency]

But mind manip by default isn't abstract? Like having it doesn't mean you attack the person's mind abstract mind

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Hax page said otherwise

I don't think Reality warping can be considered fully "abstract"

Only 1-A smurfs work with abstract/metaphysical stuff. Higher dimensional smurf potency for metaphysical stuff just isn't a thing for the most part unless you're something like bleach and treat the soul like a sort of physical entity.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Only 1-A smurfs work with abstract/metaphysical stuff. Higher dimensional smurf potency for metaphysical stuff just isn't a thing for the most part unless you're something like bleach and treat the soul like a sort of physical entity.

The same Agnaa that said it can work with UES too ?

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

The same Agnaa that said it can work with UES too ?

Well he clearly said metaphysical abilities don't count so uhh?

 

[Arency]

But mind manip by default isn't abstract? Like having it doesn't mean you attack the person's mind abstract mind

This hasn't been addressed

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

This hasn't been addressed

I thought the default was the "mind" and not the brain?

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Well he clearly said metaphysical abilities don't count so uhh?

Well his Mind haxes only works on a concentrated small area as shown here which according to the hax page means its based on power

Abilities that are higher-dimensional (tiering-applicable) wherein their power can be concentrated onto a small area,

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Well his Mind haxes only works on a concentrated small area as shown here which according to the hax page means its based on power

Dude. That only applies for more physical based abilities.

 

[YmTheSuper]

This sums up smurf hax well. So unless minds have actual physical sizes in verse they can't be considered smurf simply due to originating from a Higher Dimensional entity.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

This sums up smurf hax well. So unless minds have actual physical sizes in verse they can't be considered smurf simply due to originating from a Higher Dimensional entity.

The Scroll of Memories embodies everything from its prisoner's mind, and has a physical size. Wukong's mind here is part of reality, and yet he was able to resist a mind hax attack from it

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

The Scroll of Memories embodies everything from its prisoner's mind, and has a physical size. Wukong's mind here is part of reality, and yet he was able to resist a mind hax attack from it

Sounds more like the scroll itself has physical size and is a representation of peoples minds and not that the mind literally has physical size.

 

[YmTheSuper]

The Scroll of Memories embodies everything from its prisoner's mind, and has a physical size

The Scroll's mind manip must have affected a mind that actually physically exists (via an in-verse mechanic or something like that since minds are typically assumed to be metaphysical although I don't think many verses have such mechanics but there might be something I'm missing in the verse.) and it's physical existence needs to be of higher dimensionality. The Scroll being Higher Dimensional doesn't matter.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Sounds more like the scroll itself has physical size and is a representation of peoples minds and not that the mind literally has physical size.

Im pretty sure that this is a qualifier for Smurf (like March 7th mind resistance is accepted as smurf for a similar reason)

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Im pretty sure that this is a qualifier for Smurf (like March 7th mind resistance is accepted as smurf for a similar reason)

Then it shouldn't be a smurf.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

The Scroll's mind manip must have affected a mind that actually physically exists (via an in-verse mechanic or something like that since minds are typically assumed to be metaphysical although I don't think many verses have such mechanics but there might be something I'm missing in the verse.) and it's physical existence needs to be of higher dimensionality. The Scroll being Higher Dimensional doesn't matter.

Its explained here that going throught the Scroll is basically going throught his memories.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Its explained here that going throught the Scroll is basically going throught his memories.

I mean they're going through the representation of their memories from what you've said about scroll of memories. Doesn't seem like they're physically traversing the actual mind.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Im pretty sure that this is a qualifier for Smurf (like March 7th mind resistance is accepted as smurf for a similar reason)

what?

 

[Lloydblitzed]

what?

what what?

 

[PedjaTarzan]

what what?

march mind isnt physical? why did you use it as exanple

 

[Lloydblitzed]

march mind isnt physical? why did you use it as exanple

For this argument

Its explained here that going throught the Scroll is basically going throught his memories.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

arguing mind is physical is also gonna nerf the resistance and make it so he cant resist metaphysical mind manip in favor for a weirder less common mind manip resistance so uhh

 

[SweetDao]

MGQwanker makes sense.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

arguing mind is physical is also gonna nerf the resistance and make it so he cant resist metaphysical mind manip in favor for a weirder less common mind manip resistance so uhh

I was arguing that resisting mindhaxes that target a mind that's part of reality was smurf

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

I was arguing that resisting mindhaxes that target a mind that's part of reality was smurf

Ermm... That CANT be smurf potency unless it's 1-A.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Ermm... That CANT be smurf potency unless it's 1-A.

Like for example a concept is gonna be part of reality or is gonna be reality. It doesn't suddenly fix the issue of smurf hax.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Like for example a concept is gonna be part of reality or is gonna be reality. It doesn't suddenly fix the issue of smurf hax.

But then why wouldn't a concentration of that into like a building sized energy ball fit the power smurf thing?

Another way an ability can be shown to have smurf potency / power is in its ability to significantly affect a structure of uncountably infinite size. E.g. existence erasure which can affect a (tiering-applicable) higher-dimensional structure or character. Note that if the ability does not have its potency focused on a relatively small object, it may not be considered to have smurf power / potency.

 

[YmTheSuper]

But then why wouldn't a concentration of that into like a building sized energy ball fit the power thing?

Minds don't physically exists this only applies to physical things

The reason minds aren't affected by dimensionality is because they don't physically exist. They don't have mass, volume, aren't made of particules or waves etc... They are metaphysical in nature. So the mind wouldn't be affected by higher physical dimensionality or existence since it itself doesn't exist in the physical realm (maturializing things from mind into reality is something completely different)