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King the Wildfire vs Desert King Crocodile
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Stefano4444
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King low diff, this isn't fair at all.
Superior strength and speed, near invulnerability with Flame On and still superior durability with Flame Off, superior versatibility and better display of Haki even assuming Crocodile can use Haki during Marineford.
Not even the advantage given by be in a desert its going to help Crocodile that much.
Superior strength and speed, near invulnerability with Flame On and still superior durability with Flame Off, superior versatibility and better display of Haki even assuming Crocodile can use Haki during Marineford.
Not even the advantage given by be in a desert its going to help Crocodile that much.
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Crocodile is fast enough to fight with King. With the environmental advantage, Crocodile can fuse with the desert and create devastating attacks. Crocodile is also durabl enough to take hits from King considering he took a direct attack from Jozu and could catch Mihawk's black blade Yoru with his hook. King may be far more durable but Crocodile can oneshot him with any of his attacks via dehydration.
Crocodile is also noted to be one of the smartest characters with great devil fruit mastery, so he will be playing around with King similar to how Marco did in chapter 1006.
Stefano4444
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At best Crocodile its comparable to Jozu (and that by be generous), and King can already react to Marco who would be faster than Jozu.
The moment he decide to flame off he would definitely outspeed him by a good margin.
Nothing suggest that Crocodile would be able to create attacks capable to damage King, and even if he does King can just dodge them with Observation Haki.
And for fusing with the desert that scenario its no different than Zoro VS Pica, it would only allow Crocodile to survive prolungate the inevitable.
And what? King can also likely able to generate attacks on the same level if not more powerful.
At worst King would need to hit Crocodile a few more times, but eventually he will put him down.
Mihawk never trully use his full strength against anyone in Marineford, that feat means very little.
And King can just outmaneuver and stay out of range with his superior speed and flying.
And Doflamingo too its one of the smartest character, who its good with all types of Haki and who also master his devil fruit power to the point of Awakening.
Yet he its still weaker than Commanders like Cracker and Jack, let alone King. And this its the same Doflamingo who clashed with Crocodile.
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Jozu is relative in speed to Kuzan and Marco. Marco is a noticeable amount faster than flames on King as we've seen Marco's attacks outspeed King's reactions on multiple occasions. When King takes his flames off he gets faster but the boost is not enough for King to blitz Crocodile or anything close as it was never portrayed as a large speed increase. Zoro was able to react to Hybrid King's attacks with his flames on and off in a similar manner, and only said that he got "a little faster." Zoro was even able to tag flames off King in close combat.
What I meant by devastating was not attacks that could hurt King, it's obvious that nothing he has can harm him conventionally. I meant devastating as in super big sandstorms that would make it difficult for King to stay up in the air as it would completely become Crocodile's domain.
The difference between Zoro vs Pica and this situation is that Pica specifically had a large body that Zoro could target in order to separate Pica from the ground and isolate him into small pieces. King doesn't have that luxury. Crocodile has an extremely large range, ranging to beyond underwater aquifers, the entire >5 km plaza, and even the entire island of Alabasta itself. King has no place to target. His largest attack, Jackpot is something he rarely used (only once in the middle of his battle with Zoro, King more often opted to tanking attacks outright), and seemingly an attack he can only use when hit. This is a dangerous stipulation because each and every one of Crocodile's attacks are deadly to him.
I don't think so. Crocodile's raw durability was able to take attacks from Jozu, who could damage Kuzan, which is something not even Marco could do with a direct hit. King would need to use some of his strongest attacks to put down Crocodile, especially when he has such good endurance that he could withstand the baptism of Impel Down without flinching, putting him on the level of folks like Jinbe and Ace.
The feat definitely means a lot considering it was from a Mihawk who just increased his power to defeat Daz Bones and was going for a finisher. Not saying it was full power, but we've seen in One Piece that weapons with inferior durability and hardness get sliced through cleanly, and this would apply moreso to Mihawk's Yoru, which is the world's finest Black Blade. Those are a class of blades characterized by their hardness and even Zoro's meito almost broke against Ryuma's Shusui blade.
Flying will not work due to Crocodile's areal domain in which he can attack from wherever.
Doflamingo being weaker than commanders does not mean that those characters are as skilled as him or can keep up with someone a smart and with just as much mastery as him. Crocodile has the stats to compete, so if his intelligence and skill are up to par as well then that is a valid advantage.
Stefano4444
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Relative to Marco maybe, but not Kuzan.
See how Kizaru could keep up with Gear 5th Luffy and Kuzan could keep up with Garp, we can't really fully scale Jozu or any Commanders to any admiral.
And Crocodile's scaling to Jozu remaib questionable, he first time he got hit, the next one he never dodge Jozu as Doffy stop him with his strings.
And why it would make King impossible to remain in air? Is not like those sandstorms are going to be strong enough to affect him in any meaninful way.
You're assuming that any of his attacks have the same dehydration property but i'm pretty sure it isn't the case, only physically contact or specific close range attacks seen to have this durability negation, his other range attacks don't.
As long he its out of range King would be fine, if Crocodile try to fight close King better speed will ensure Crocodile never get the right chance to hit him, while at the same time it would be the perfect time for King to attack.
Kuzan was focus on attacking Whitebeard and he was in a position where it would had been difficulty for him to guard himself, so its not as impressive it may be, especially when it only made Kuzan bleed a bit from his mouth.
Endurance its something that everyone in One Piece exceed, what Crocodile need its the actual durability to withstand King's attacks, which its what he lack especially without Advance Conqueror Haki.
I talking about his dehydration power, that requid direct physical contact as his range attacks can't do that.
Meaning unless he get close and caught King at the right time, that durability negation is not going to be that helpful.
Doflamingo may be more skilled than them, but that little prevent him from be outspeed or overpower.
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Croc's sandstorms have the dehydration hax
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Yeah his interaction with akainu shows it won't happen
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As Emin has mentioned, Crocodile's sandstorms have the dehydrating hax as well. You're also incorrect about him needing direct physical contact because he is also capable of dehydrating the entire area around him and anything touching the ground to return them to sand, humans included.
King does not have True Flight. His flight relies on his wings. If Crocodile has completely control over the skies and wind via sandstorms, he would be capable of actively stopping King's ability to fly.
Jozu has the same level of attack potency as King and Crocodile could take a hit from him without significant damage. King is the one who need to somehow land several attacks to put King down, while all Crocodile needs is one due to his hax.
King's speed is also irrelevant here considering Crocodile has the reaction speed to keep up and a large environmental advantage,
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How is having wings not True Flight? That is like the only way things actually fly without the use of like, gear or shooting water.
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Don't know about you but when I hear the word "true flight", I think of characters like Superman who can create his own momentum without pushing off anything and freely move through 3 dimensional space.
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For what reasons? King's Haki is not harder or stronger than Mihawk's Yoru meaning that at the very least Crocodile can use his reaction speed and durability to parry a hit like he did against Mihawk. Any physical attack that King does is prone to getting trapped as even if coated in Haki, as the loose sand from Crocodile's Barjan would sift around King's sword avoiding damage.
Since the battle is also taking place in Alabasta, Crocodile would be able to intercept King like he did Akainu and dehydrate him then and there. I feel like there are a lot of Crocodile wincons that are being glossed over. I mean he said it himself, you never know how abilities will interact. One person having Haki and the other person not having it doesn't mean they'll always win.
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It also does not mean that someone with less speed, garbage ap, garbage durability, garbage LS and literally 0 good showings against top tiers can do anything
Crocodile now scales to mihawk, okey, Doflamingo scales to Fujitora then by this logic, 5-C Doffy when? His birdcage could not be stopped by Fujitora!
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"Garbage speed" and they scale from the same place. Crocodile's devil fruit covers literally everything you mentioned. If King gets hit like Akainu did, he loses instantly.
Make a CRT. This is what's on Crocodile's page lmao. Unless you think Crocodile's Hook has less durability than himself, your point is irrelevant.
Kazuma_kuwabara
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His reactions, King has that, combat speed haki and amps, garbage speed
You fix the pages as one of the supporters then, your point is irrelevant when you don't even consider the story in the first place and believe now Crocodile scales to Mihawk who is toying the whole time in the war, nothing more to say
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The point being made is that if Fujitora vs Birdcage was even remotely a feat a CRT would have been made and it would be on his profile. And it's not. Crocodile's is. So this isn't me not "fixing the pages" it's you bringing up a completely irrelevant example.
How does King counter Crocodile's hax I listed above?
Kazuma_kuwabara
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One word
Haki
Devil Fruit Negation (Intense enough Haki can counteract and negate Devil Fruit abilities, seen when Trafalgar Law negated the effects of the Feminization Disease from the Sick-Sick Fruit
It is not but sure, keep believing that
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Kazuma_kuwabara
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As per usual, the agenda is real
Nice double standards Kachon, never change
Nice double standards Kachon, never change
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This is basically people not getting why Crocodile was one of the most dangerous people Luffy has ever met and underestimating my man Diamond Jozu to hell and back.
Ain't nobody understanding that, big or small, birds don't fly in a sandstorm? Or what dehydration does to someone? Also, yall need to consider that they start 4km apart, even with King being fast, Crocodile has the time to get the entire island to his favor and nothing lasting on his way to just leaving King without answers outside literally trying his moves against, again, an entire island of sandstorms. Crocodile doesn't even need to be on his vicinity
Ain't nobody understanding that, big or small, birds don't fly in a sandstorm? Or what dehydration does to someone? Also, yall need to consider that they start 4km apart, even with King being fast, Crocodile has the time to get the entire island to his favor and nothing lasting on his way to just leaving King without answers outside literally trying his moves against, again, an entire island of sandstorms. Crocodile doesn't even need to be on his vicinity
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He got hit, landed on his own two feet, and was preparing to counter Jozu's follow-up attack. Also fought Akainu alongside top Whitebeard commanders like Marco, Vista, Curiel, and Izou.
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