TenSura LN Major Misleading Revision - Part 3 (Revised)

[PHANtomFELdway]

Mortals like me have a hard time answering God's questions, so I might take a deeper look into it if I have time. Well, the staff are free to read his arguments and agree with him. I'm not gatekeeping anyone. Just because you feel like his arguments are valid doesn't mean they actually are.

You don’t need to read it. As I will be making an even more in depth one for my last comment here

 

[CodeCCLL]

Then you have around planet+ level attack nuking that dimension. So no that doesn't mean they are universal sized just because kanji used is same.

It's at least planetary, then Kondo says Abyss Annihilation can destroy the dimension and even harm Rudra. Rudra is already at Guy and Velzard level (Low 2-C for me). So it's not inconsistent for the dimension to be
Low 2-C.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

(Note that this is shi I wrote like 5 months ago since I knew it was coming) I will actually read the thread and respond later.


W debunk (it isn’t). While I find it funny that you used two unrelated things,I find it even funnier that they are from completely different volumes which means you had to actively search and read that shi,AND still used it for a “debunk” even knowing that they are unrelated. Volume 16 where the statement about destroying dimensions comes from had already told us what happened. There were three races that existed in the OTHERWORLD . And when a 4th one came from another dimension ,one of them went and destroyed their dimension (we later found out that it was zalario and that he destroyed many dimensions not just one.)







In fact even treyni (who he was fighting and was basically ignoring) can cut through dimensions






The statement about conquering was literally just some random B-A rank mystics that don’t even have anything to do with zalarios dimension destruction statement. (Not from the same volume nor are they even talking about the same thing.)







About small/weak worlds. It is literally just talking about worlds that don’t have many magicules (lowest of spiritual worlds or any at all (physical worlds) (physical worlds are still worlds and aren’t “small”, spiritual worlds are just HUGE. With them being so big that they can contain physical worlds (worlds without magicules ) inside them. So physical worlds are small in reference to anything that has more magicules.but still have a hyper timeline. For example. Rimuru came from a physical world. We know that it is at least universal in size due to having a universe. And we know that worlds are hyper timelines that are bigger than universes.







Cause magicules makes things way stronger,. Cardinal world is home to the most amount of magicules. The only world which has true dragons,primordial demons,primordial angels,and every other type of monster.it is the only world that has both physical and spiritual existence. A semi-physical/spiritual world







it is a world that cannot be destroyed cause it is protected by veldanava.not only is it more durable than everything else that exists (due to having the most magicules), it is also protected by multiple treasures and heals itself instantly.the planet alone is so durable that milim who is already top 5 in the verse in terms of AP and DC can’t destroy it. and even sending her power to another dimension isn’t enough to contain it and still leaking through even after over 2000 years have passed. (Not to mention all the people who were already reducing the damage with barriers like velzard (strongest true dragon at that time)or the treasures protecting it.





So cause of the magicules it is more durable. And then on top of that durability,there are treasures and healing. That protect it even more.

https://imgur.com/a/oNkmf8K



She is massively stronger than everyone in AP & DC besides

1.)veldanava

2.)ivarage

3.)vol 21 rimuru

4.)feldway.

So any AP/DC feat you see that isn’t from them is something she scales above







To destroy a solar system of cardinal world it needed

Well half of what you are saying I'm not understanding in here. But I'll address the Below stuff which are easy to read.

1.) Turn null/nhillity collapse (energy that created the world) and can destroy it



https://imgur.com/a/0SyikFd

MTL+Vol 22 and I don't remember him using it when spamming quarter skill

2.)diablo skill that reproduces the collapse of a world (hypertimeline) (and more turn null) don’t forget that he can destroy the whole labyrinth which is 100 dimensions at minimum while even velgrynd destroyed 50. So he alone already has a better feat.



https://imgur.com/a/u1CiQcY

Why are you living in the past? There is no Hypertimeline currently.
Also, Diablo was talking about an all-out battle, and the skill he used here is not his full power, so stop acting like he was going all out with just this quarter of skill set. If you actually read Volume 22, you would know what I mean — he only went all out there.
You are mixing up different scenes here.

3.)zeigon got a new skill.and zelanus power. With it being existence eraser + zelanus someone who could destroy labyrinth dimensions with pure strength and also comparable to diablo (he is also stronger than zalario who destroyed numerous dimensions)Ziegon is also able to create his own world with it being the same nature as a spiritual world.



https://imgur.com/a/tNEfTWH

Great, you admit he is stronger than Zolario. Then this is literally pointless because we are talking about whether Zolario is capable of destroying dimensions or not.
Also, do you have proof that the spiritual world he is capable of creating is universal-sized, and not just some realm with pocket dimensions?

4.)dino who is veldanava sword and a mediator of the world who protects the world.



https://imgur.com/a/YprKx9A



All that was then combined into one spell which made it even stronger. Yet all it could do is destroy a solar system of cardinal world (tho I say all. It was never limited to the level of destroying the solar system and is even stated that it shows no sign of stopping.) and was less energy than it took to create cardinal world universe. so it is clearly durability and not range



https://imgur.com/a/KU0pxvP

"It could likely swallow up the Solar System."
Yeah, it's limited to that; nothing implies it goes beyond that.
Also, having items created by Veldanava means nothing.
You should know that Guy is stronger without receiving blessings from Veldanava, whereas Velzard, who did receive them, still didn't surpass his power. Just because a character or something gains something from Veldanava's doesn't mean they scale to Veldanava himself in any sense.

The labyrinth itself is a subspace. It is the power to isolate even dimensions. An authority from veldanava.

What?????

 

[AlexSamDen]

Well half of what you are saying I'm not understanding in here. But I'll address the Below stuff which are easy to read.

And while addressing that you were making arguments that were answered in the first half

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

There are too many MTL stuff Feldway is spamming so I'll be not replying to any untranstaled stuff from now.

 

[CodeCCLL]

In fact, the only reason to me why the statements about "Cardinal World's destroying" the are inconsistent is because it is said that the Sacred Tree can only be destroyed by Milim. However, this is something that was added to the series later on, so I think we can use statements from True Dragon level characters such as Guy's statement that he can destroy the world, Chronoa's statement that, she can destroy the world if she gets out of control, Dagruel's statement that he has enough positive energy to neutralize the negative energy that can destroy the world, Dino's implication that he can destroy the world, as supporting evidence instead of completely throwing away.

There is a lot to consider

 

[AlexSamDen]

There are too many MTL stuff Feldway is spamming so I'll be not replying to any untranstaled stuff from now.

There is just one his reply that has untranslated stuff and the whole section in his main reply that you refused (for the time at least) to address doesn't have a single one (Also there is no MTL in that part, if I didn't miss anything)

seems like ignorance to me

 

[Violatas]

Regarding the labyrinth floors I'm almost certain I remember a statement saying they get bigger the deeper you go. Like, around the time the labyrinth was in earlier stages. Which does make sense since it was supposed to get increasingly harder to navigate the deeper down you're in. But man the labyrinth has gone through so many changes so digging that up would take a bit

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

It's at least planetary, then Kondo says Abyss Annihilation can destroy the dimension and even harm Rudra. Rudra is already at Guy and Velzard level (Low 2-C for me). So it's not inconsistent for the dimension to be
Low 2-C.

Yes, for you, but I’m not seeing that when her destructive capabilities are around Solar System range — we just go in circles with that.

Anyway, can you answer why Zolario was destroying the other dimensions? What reason did he have?

Also, I forgot to address the fact that Otherworlds being vaster than the universe only applies to the Otherworld that Cornu comes from. Nothing indicates that it applies to every other world in the verse. Singular and plural usage is subjective based on translation and context. The fact that Velgrynd clearly mentioned there are some worlds that are very small and fragile clearly shows that not all are same sized. I don't know why you are taking this as generalised statement to say all worlds are bigger than universes.

In fact, the only reason to me why the statements about "Cardinal World's destroying" the are inconsistent is because it is said that the Sacred Tree can only be destroyed by Milim.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t it stated in Volume 22 that Milim was about to destroy it with compressed power that could at least destroy a solar system?
Is there any statement implying that the Cardinal World’s planet is more durable than a universe? Otherwise, it wouldn’t amount to much.

Unless we reach a conclusion regarding Zolario’s part, we’ll just keep going in circles — because you would argue that he is capable of destroying a Low 2-C structure, and I would argue that he is not.

However, this is something that was added to the series later on, so I think we can use statements from True Dragon level characters such as Guy's statement that he can destroy the world, Chronoa's statement that, she can destroy the world if she gets out of control, Dagruel's statement that he has enough positive energy to neutralize the negative energy that can destroy the world, Dino's implication that he can destroy the world, as supporting evidence instead of completely throwing away.

Well not to be that guy and say here world means always universe? Do we have enough proof for that. I'm mean all the cases world means universal?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

There is just one his reply that has untranslated stuff and the whole section in his main reply that you refused (for the time at least) to address doesn't have a single one (Also there is no MTL in that part, if I didn't miss anything)

seems like ignorance to me

You are free to report me if you think I'm ignoring and lying about him using MTL scans. The links are already there which he posted I don't mind posting it my defence when you do that. So now stop derailing. I said my part. I'm not gonna tag around with MTL warfare. Bring the better translations or we are done.

 

[ShinMaximillion]

Checked the post and glossed over some of the important replies. I mostly agree with OP, feel free to ask me should you require RAWs for any of the LN volumes.

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

You are free to report me if you think I'm ignoring and lying about him using MTL scans. The links are already there which he posted I don't mind posting it my defence when you do that. So now stop derailing. I said my part. I'm not gonna tag around with MTL warfare. Bring the better translations or we are done.

I did tell you that this reply was made 5 months ago. I made it after your other thread was closed and you kept asking for translations. Regardless you didn’t attack any of the argument . I will make another one without mtl. I forgot I had that in there

 

[AlexSamDen]

Also, I forgot to address the fact that Otherworlds being vaster than the universe only applies to the Otherworld that Cornu comes from. Nothing indicates that it applies to every other world in the verse. Singular and plural usage is subjective based on translation and context. The fact that Velgrynd clearly mentioned there are some worlds that are very small and fragile clearly shows that not all are same sized. I don't know why you are taking this as generalised statement to say all worlds are bigger than universes.

Every translation I've seen (even non-english) follows the same logic about this statement: universe is big, but not as big as other worlds
We have this statement from an angel who himself had been in at least several worlds and at the moment is thinking about the continuation of the conquest (which we know is everything in plan) , so I don't know what makes you think that this statement is not a general one/doesn't talk about all worlds

Velgrynd only stated them to be weak, not small, so we shouldn't assume this

 

[AlexSamDen]

You are free to report me if you think I'm ignoring and lying about him using MTL scans. The links are already there which he posted I don't mind posting it my defence when you do that. So now stop derailing. I said my part. I'm not gonna tag around with MTL warfare. Bring the better translations or we are done.

I am talking about this specific part above this, not everything

Well half of what you are saying I'm not understanding in here. But I'll address the Below stuff which are easy to read.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Every translation I've seen (even non-english) follows the same logic about this statement: universe is big, but not as big as other worlds
We have this statement from an angel who himself had been in at least several worlds and at the moment is thinking about the continuation of the conquest (ehich we kniw is everything in plan) , so I don't know what makes you think that this statement is not a general one/doesn't talk about all worlds

That's talking about the universe they are currently trying to conquer nothing about all worlds.

Velgrynd only stated them to be weak, not small, so we shouldn't assume this

It's stated to be small and weak. I already posted the scans in the OP. It seems you haven't even read what's being argued.

 

[AlexSamDen]

That's talking about the universe they are currently trying to conquer nothing about all worlds

The universe is vast, but not as vast as the other worlds. They thought that if they had gained a relying spirit and incarnated themselves, they could completely conquer this space-time within a few thousand to tens of thousands of years. At the same time, they had developed the Underworld Gate, which leads to other dimensions, and had their sights set on a further invasion

They are literally referring to the world they are in as "universe" and "other worlds" as simply other worlds they already seen and trying to capture more of (and that's any world they can get into)

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

Also, I forgot to address the fact that Otherworlds being vaster than the universe only applies to the Otherworld that Cornu comes from. Nothing indicates that it applies to every other world in the verse. Singular and plural usage is subjective based on translation and context. The fact that Velgrynd clearly mentioned there are some worlds that are very small and fragile clearly shows that not all are same sized. I don't know why you are taking this as generalised statement to say all worlds are bigger than universes.

Directly stated that multiple physical worlds exist inside a spiritual realm. So yeah even if you said they weren’t vaster, and just the same size, spiritual worlds would definitely be vaster

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

They are literally referring to the world they are in as "universe" and "other worlds" as simply other worlds they already seen and trying to capture more of (and that's any world they can get into)

I already addressed the Kanji can be singular and plural depending on the context. also it was talking with respect to Otherworld which Cornu came from.

Directly stated that multiple physical worlds exist inside a spiritual realm. So yeah even if you said they weren’t vaster, and just the same size, spiritual worlds would definitely be vaster

A world holding another world doesn't mean they are Vaster than universe literally without having any proof.

 

[AlexSamDen]

I already addressed the Kanji can be singular and plural depending on the context.

1) Then we go by translation
2) The context suggests plural ↓

also it was talking with respect to Otherworld which Cornu came from.

It isn't even mentioned anywhere close and the context suggests that he is talking about the worlds they plan to invade (the whole paragraph is about their invasion, so I don't where you take it from)

 

[Reiner04]

Can someone make the summary of the counter-arguments presented in the thread?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

1) Then we go by translation
2) The context suggests plural ↓

That's not otl or FTL. It's an MTL edited by fans. We literally have rule currently for that. We don't use that if it's contradicting with OTL. Which it does currently.

It isn't even mentioned anywhere close and the context suggests that he is talking about the worlds they plan to invade (the whole paragraph is about their invasion, so I don't where you take it from)

All of them were invincible. Looking at the situation, both as yohma and from the perspective of the humans they possessed, they were one step away from conquering the world. Once they built their rule over the human race, they’d top it all off by summoning Cornu—and from there, they’d start reworking the planet itself, making it into a stellar base for their future conquests.

If you read the scan you would understand it was talking about Cornu.

 

[AlexSamDen]

Can someone make the summary of the counter-arguments presented in the thread?

Part-by-part debunking of arguments made by OP (for example that Zalario did destroy dimensions and that worlds are indeed bigger that universes)

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Can someone make the summary of the counter-arguments presented in the thread?

OP/My Argument:

• There is not enough evidence to claim that Zorario's statement refers to the literal destruction of dimensions.
• There are different-sized worlds in the verse, and some are small enough to be destroyed by Velgrynd, whose destructive capacity is below solar system level. Therefore, even if we say Zorario destroyed dimensions, it would not scale to Low 2-C or 2-C.
• The author's Q&A also does not specify anything about the size of these worlds.

Code's Argument (he can make his own summary if he feels mine is lacking):

• Zorario destroying the dimensions is literal because some characters in the verse are capable of destroying pocket dimensions.
• He believes that all other worlds are vaster than universes and are therefore at least Low 2-C.
• He thinks we should consider author Q&A and scale characters to Low 2-C with destroying the world statement (I guess from his last reply)

 

[AlexSamDen]

That's not otl or FTL. It's an MTL edited by fans. We literally have rule currently for that. We don't use that if it's contradicting with OTL. Which it does currently

Can you provide the scan, please? I currently can't access the OTL

If you read the scan you would understand it was talking about Cornu.

They end this part on "conquest" and the next sentence is "The universe is vast, but not as vast as the other worlds"(and continue talking about conquering other worlds) This clearly implies that they switched topic from their current goal (bring Cornu) to their global plans about other worlds

 

[Reiner04]

He thinks we should consider author Q&A and scale characters to Low 2-C with destroying the world statement (I guess from his last reply)

That's look like a good point. Can u link me that QnA?

 

[AlexSamDen]

OP/My Argument:

• There is not enough evidence to claim that Zorario's statement refers to the literal destruction of dimensions.
• There are different-sized worlds in the verse, and some are small enough to be destroyed by Velgrynd, whose destructive capacity is below solar system level. Therefore, even if we say Zorario destroyed dimensions, it would not scale to Low 2-C or 2-C.
• The author's Q&A also does not specify anything about the size of these worlds.

Code's Argument (he can make his own summary if he feels mine is lacking):

• Zorario destroying the dimensions is literal because some characters in the verse are capable of destroying pocket dimensions.
• He believes that all other worlds are vaster than universes and are therefore at least Low 2-C.
• He thinks we should consider author Q&A and scale characters to Low 2-C with destroying the world statement (I guess from his last reply)

Are you ignoring Feldway's arguments again?

(Will delete if you address them)

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

That's look like a good point. Can u link me that QnA?

Official Translation Requests Thread (New forum)

"All ends, in other words, ruin, follow the order of the God of Destruction. That is the logic of this world, the providence of the universe. Everyone, all living beings, equally adhere to this order. No one can ever deviate from this framework. Reaching the end before the eyes of the God of...

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[CodeCCLL]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t it stated in Volume 22 that Milim was about to destroy it with compressed power that could at least destroy a solar system?
Is there any statement implying that the Cardinal World’s planet is more durable than a universe? Otherwise, it wouldn’t amount to much.

The reason the planet is durable is because of Veldanava's holy relics: Heaven Tower and the Sacred Tree. Even Feldway could not destroy the Sacred Tree. But once the Sacred Tree was destroyed, Feldway might to destroy Cardinal World's Universe, and in fact, he did.

Well not to be that guy and say here world means always universe? Do we have enough proof for that.

Chronoa's context of destroying world is mentioned right after the alternate timelines/parallel universes topics (although there are different contexts), I can't say notable thing about the others in universe context but considering everything we've talked about so far, it seems like common sense to me that the universe is meant here. But if you think that nothing we've talked about so far really means anything to Low 2-C, then this also probably doesn't mean anything to you either.

Anyway, can you answer why Zolario was destroying the other dimensions? What reason did he have?

Zalario is under Feldway's command. When Veldanava abandoned his creations, Feldway decided to destroy all of creation in revenge.

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

Can someone make the summary of the counter-arguments presented in the thread?

Really waiting on translation from mrtayman fr


But mostly my argument is this

1.) magicules make a world more durable. And a world without magicules is smaller and less durable. Our universe is a physical world.in other words, the lowest of worlds. The smallest and most fragile. Something without any magicules at all

Therefore true dragons can destroy “small” and fragile universes . Which is just in reference to how physical worlds are small and weak in comparison to spiritual worlds.

So unless other reasons are given, we take the smallest known world. Which is the size of our universe.(it is literally our universe)

Otherworlds are stated to be bigger than universes,which is in reference to other spiritual worlds being bigger than the universe they were in (they were in a world with almost no magicules) basically a physical world . It is stated that physical worlds exist inside spiritual worlds, proving that small worlds is just in context to spiritual worlds being huge,big enough to contain multiple universes


2.) due to cardinal world having the most magicules it is also the most durable world in existence . It is stated that no one could destroy even the planet because it is protected by veldanava power.as well as treasures that are even more durable than the world. In order to destroy the world you need to destroy the treasures. The world just instantly heals any damage done.

The world is so durable that even guy and velzards aura does nothing besides break a few rocks. Said aura is stated to be strong enough to engulf an entire star system.


The debunk was based on solar system destruction being stronger than velgrynds attack.

In order to destroy the solar system of this world, logically it’s output would have to destroy the planet and outscale guy and velzard aura.

Said attack that was going to destroy the solar system had

1.) Turn null/nhillity collapse (energy that created the world) and can destroy it. (Though obviously less energy than what was used to create or destroy the world)


2.)diablo skill that reproduces the collapse of a world (and more turn null) don’t forget that he can destroy the whole labyrinth which is 100 dimensions at minimum while even velgrynd destroyed 50. So he alone already has a better feat.so obviously it is stronger than hers


3.) zeigon got a new skill.and zelanus power. With zelanus someone who could destroy labyrinth dimensions with pure strength and also comparable to diablo (he is also stronger than zalario who destroyed numerous dimensions)Ziegon is also able to create his own world with it being the same nature as a spiritual world.(in other words. A world with magicules which outscales the durability of a world without one)

4.)dino who is veldanava sword and a mediator of the world who protects the world.who also outscales people with destructive abilities.

5.)All that was then combined into one spell which made it even stronger. Yet all it could do is destroy a solar system of cardinal world and was less energy than it took to create cardinal world universe. so it is clearly durability and not range


Conclusion:

Cardinal world is so durable that people who can destroy at least our universe cannot destroy the planet, due to our world being a physical world. With those same people having trouble destroying the labyrinth = labyrinth has durability on that level. And characters like Diablo and zelanus are able to destroy 100 floors at once, each with at least uni+ durability.



therefore the statement about destruction of the solar system was in reference to being powerful enough to destroy a solar system of the most durable thing in existence.


(Honestly all we need to do is translate vol 22 where Milim destroyed the universe) and vol 21 statement about universe being destroyed.

 

[CodeCCLL]

Code's Argument (he can make his own summary if he feels mine is lacking):

I don't think the arguments can be summarized properly. I think the staff should read the discussion before they get too long.

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

A world holding another world doesn't mean they are Vaster than universe literally without having any proof.

A universe holding a universe necessitates it be bigger than the thing it is holding

 

[MrTayman616]

Really waiting on translation from mrtayman fr


But mostly my argument is this

1.) magicules make a world more durable. And a world without magicules is smaller and less durable. Our universe is a physical world.in other words, the lowest of worlds. The smallest and most fragile.

Therefore true dragons can destroy “small” and fragile universes . Which is just in reference to how physical worlds are small and weak in comparison to spiritual worlds.

So unless other reasons are given, we take the smallest known world. Which is the size of our universe.

Otherworlds are stated to be bigger than universes,which is in reference to other spiritual worlds being bigger than the universe they were in. It is stated that physical worlds exist inside spiritual worlds, proving that small worlds is just in context to spiritual worlds being huge.


2.) due to cardinal world having the most magicules it is also the most durable world in existence . It is stated that no one could destroy even the planet because it is protected by veldanava power.as well as treasures that are even more durable than the world. In order to destroy the world you need to destroy the treasures. The world just instantly heals any damage done.

The world is so durable that even guy and velzards aura does nothing besides break a few rocks. Said aura is stated to be strong enough to engulf an entire star system.


The debunk was based on solar system destruction being stronger than velgrynds attack.

In order to destroy the solar system of this world, logically it’s output would have to destroy the planet and outscale guy and velzard aura.

Said attack that was going to destroy the solar system had

1.) Turn null/nhillity collapse (energy that created the world) and can destroy it. (Though obviously less energy than what was used to create or destroy the world)


2.)diablo skill that reproduces the collapse of a world (and more turn null) don’t forget that he can destroy the whole labyrinth which is 100 dimensions at minimum while even velgrynd destroyed 50. So he alone already has a better feat.so obviously it is stronger than hers


3.) zeigon got a new skill.and zelanus power. With zelanus someone who could destroy labyrinth dimensions with pure strength and also comparable to diablo (he is also stronger than zalario who destroyed numerous dimensions)Ziegon is also able to create his own world with it being the same nature as a spiritual world.(in other words. A world with magicules which outscales the durability of a world without one)

4.)dino who is veldanava sword and a mediator of the world who protects the world.who also outscales people with destructive abilities.

5.)All that was then combined into one spell which made it even stronger. Yet all it could do is destroy a solar system of cardinal world and was less energy than it took to create cardinal world universe. so it is clearly durability and not range


Conclusion:

Cardinal world is so durable that people who can destroy at least our universe cannot destroy the planet, due to our world being a physical world. With those same people having trouble destroying the labyrinth = labyrinth has durability on that level. And characters like Diablo and zelanus are able to destroy 100 floors at once, each with at least uni+ durability.



therefore the statement about destruction of the solar system was in reference to being powerful enough to destroy a solar system of the most durable thing in existence.


(Honestly all we need to do is translate vol 22 where Milim destroyed the universe) and vol 21 statement about universe being destroyed.

Sry, didn't know you were waiting

Can't do it today though (My parents will leave tomorrow, so we have many guests, some old friends etc.)

 

[Lycoris4812]

There is not enough evidence to claim that Zorario's statement refers to the literal destruction of dimensions.

Tayman said the primary meaning of the world is to destroy. And we've got a lot of statements about universal level destruction.

There are different-sized worlds in the verse, and some are small enough to be destroyed by Velgrynd, whose destructive capacity is below solar system level. Therefore, even if we say Zorario destroyed dimensions, it would not scale to Low 2-C or 2-C.

I wouldn't say her DC is below solar system level. We know the cardinal universe is protected by Veldanavas power, it upscales from normal universes. An explosion without any resistance would travel farther than something trapped in a steel box. Also we know worlds are universes, and dimensions contain them.

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

Sry, didn't know you were waiting

Can't do it today though (My parents will leave tomorrow, so we have many guests, some old friends etc.)

Alr. Hopefully the thread doesn’t close before then. Cause this is going to be annoying.(I see no reason for this thread to be made when they agree vol 22 has some noteworthy points) I don’t need you to translate anything. I just want to know if the universe and the thing Milim destroyed were the same

 

[PrimeHydra64]

Also, Id like to point out that subspace is not the place where the phantoms come from. Subspace has no magicules and The semi-spiritual world that cryptids come from is filled with the magicules from ivarage and because it has no gravity, there is no planets only objects made from condensed magicules which serve the same function of planets.
Scans:

 

[MrTayman616]

Alr. Hopefully the thread doesn’t close before then. Cause this is going to be annoying.(I see no reason for this thread to be made when they agree vol 22 has some noteworthy points) I don’t need you to translate anything. I just want to know if the universe and the thing Milim destroyed were the same

It would be opened again if it gives new info that adds things to this crt.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

The reason the planet is durable is because of Veldanava's holy relics: Heaven Tower and the Sacred Tree. Even Feldway could not destroy the Sacred Tree.

I'm not asking for the reason; I know why it's more durable.
We just don't know how much durable it is.
I'm asking whether Milim's Dragon Nova, with enough power compressed to destroy a solar system, would be capable of destroying it. Nothing states that universal-level destruction is needed to nuke that planet.

But once the Sacred Tree was destroyed, Feldway might to destroy Cardinal World's Universe, and in fact, he did.

Which we don't know if it was Ivarage or Feldway doing as Ciel was making the guess. Also even if we say he destroys the universe I'm not seeing him destroying the timeline itself.(Please don't make me explain universe and timelines can be different things based on context. Not always it's going to be timeline like you believe)

Chronoa's context of destroying world is mentioned right after the alternate timelines/parallel universes topics (although there are different contexts), I can't say notable thing about the others in universe context but considering everything we've talked about so far, it seems like common sense to me that the universe is meant here. But if you think that nothing we've talked about so far really means anything to Low 2-C, then this also probably doesn't mean anything to you either.

You said you recently read Volume 22. In it, it was stated that Milim's Dragon Nova was compressed and could have blown away the solar system, and its power was said to be capable of destroying the Cardinal World planet. In the same scene, when Rimuru appeared and took the attack, it was stated that the world was not destroyed. So, "world" here seems to be a reference to the planet, not the literal "world" in the sense of the entire universe, especially since she was aiming the attack at a single compressed target.

桁外れのエネルギーが超高密度に圧縮されており、星系すら軽々と消滅させかねないほどの危険 性を秘めていた。

神樹は無事だし、世界も滅んでいなかった。

You can ask the translation helpers to check it or I'll ask them later. These are the statement from the scene.

What I'm saying is that the author seems to use "world" interchangeably between "planet" and "entire world (universe)" depending on the context.

Also, when Rimuru was at the End of Space-Time, the "world" was not destroyed, but the universe was somehow destroyed. The kanji here can mean "cosmos" or just "universe," not a literal timeline, since even before Rimuru reached the End of Space-Time, there was still time left in the world's timeline. Ciel stated that it was because they reached the End of Space-Time due to the law of entropy, which is technically the heat death of the universe. I'll address this more specifically when the translation for Volume 21 comes out.

But what I'm saying is that "world" can mean different things; it doesn't have to refer to the timeline itself, as far as I see. If the timeline itself were destroyed, Chloe wouldn't be able to go back in time.

Zalario is under Feldway's command. When Veldanava abandoned his creations, Feldway decided to destroy all of creation in revenge.

Was he though because from what I see Cornu was Conquering the worlds not destroying them.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Tayman said the primary meaning of the world is to destroy. And we've got a lot of statements about universal level destruction.

There are two translators commented on this and

[滅ぼした Hòróbóshìtá) is the Perfective-form [indicating Past-Tense] of (滅ぼす hòróbósù) which is "to destroy/ruin" or "overthrow" (like a castle)

the primary meaning of the word is " to destroy" etc. it can mean "downfall, to ruin" and "overthrow" as well.

depending on the full context + other statements or feats shown about it would help

I wouldn't say her DC is below solar system level. We know the cardinal universe is protected by Veldanavas power, it upscales from normal universes. An explosion without any resistance would travel farther than something trapped in a steel box. Also we know worlds are universes, and dimensions contain them.

Are you talking about this?

Apperantly his name was George Hayes, and he was the same person I had come in contact with before I jumped into this space-time. If Velgrind's memory serves correctly, his father was a possessor of a fragment of Rudra's "soul." His name was Laurent Hayes, and they were together from their youth to until their death/passing. There are many other points of interest, but these matters need to be thoroughly investigated. If on the same world line, undoubtedly, it can be concluded that it is the same nation and the same individual, but because in alternate-dimensional world, also called Another World, there are similar world/worlds. Because there are clear differences in the world's structure and laws, it is determined not to be a parallel world. However, for some reason, things like names were occasionally similar. Since the possibility of coincidence could not be ruled out this time either, Velgrind resolved to investigate the history.

But

(『うーん、ずっと観察していて気付いたんだけどさ、さっきそこで虹色の球が膨らんで消えただろ？ アレって多分、一つの世界、宇宙だと思うんだ』"Ūn, zutto kansatsu ***** ite kidzuita ndakedo sa, sakki sokode kōiro no kyū ga fukurande kietadaro? Arette tabun, hitotsu no sekai, uchūda to omoun da")

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"Hmm, I've been observing for a while now and I just noticed that a rainbow-colored sphere expands and disappears there just now, right? It's probably just one world, one universe."

You know, Yuuki was talking about the One World from the Subspace perspective. Where is the dimension containing the world mentioned? Since worlds are inside dimensions and Subspace holds them, doesn’t that mean they’re not visible to those who exist in Subspace? What I’m saying is that dimensions and worlds are interchangeable as far as I see it.

In the above scan, worlds are not contained within it. The context is that there are similar types of worlds in another world.

Also, not all worlds are proven to be universal. As you can see from Yuuki's statement, he separates the world and the universe in that line.

Velgrynd repeats many encounters and partings. Wherein/Meanwhile, Velgrynd came to understand the fact that the world Veldanava created is not just one. Surely, there existed numerous of worlds. There is only one identical world, and parallel worlds such as 'Parallel World' do not exist. However, Another/other-dimensional worlds, Another world, do exist. Velgrynd was aware of the fact that people from another world existed. However, she had never even imagined that such a variety of worlds could exist to this extent.. Operating under entirely different laws, with no circulation of cause and effect. As material worlds contained within a great spiritual world, a variety of civilizations were intermixed.

You also have Velgrynd statement
Then Cornu after conquering the universe leaving to other dimension. Which implies it's only one World because it doesn't make sense for Cornu to leave to other dimension if there were multiple worlds exists in same dimension.

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

I'm not asking for the reason; I know why it's more durable.
We just don't know how much durable it is.
I'm asking whether Milim's Dragon Nova, with enough power compressed to destroy a solar system, would be capable of destroying it. Nothing states that universal-level destruction is needed to nuke that planet.

How hard is it to understand. Weak world=world without magicules=our universe. True dragons can destroy weak worlds. Weak worlds are universes like our own. Yet they cannot destroy cardinal world planet. =the planet can tank attacks that can destroy universes.

Which we don't know if it was Ivarage or Feldway doing as Ciel was making the guess. Also even if we say he destroys the universe I'm not seeing him destroying the timeline itself.(Please don't make me explain universe and timelines can be different things based on context. Not always it's going to be timeline like you believe)

Ciel can observe the whole universe. And she literally says that the timeline ended. The only thing she assumed was that feldways power could only destroy the universe and not anything more. She knew for a fact the timeline was destroyed

You said you recently read Volume 22. In it, it was stated that Milim's Dragon Nova was compressed and could have blown away the solar system, and its power was said to be capable of destroying the Cardinal World planet.

Guy and velzards aura was stated to be able to do this. Milims attack simply said that she can EASILY do it. Not at all meaning she is limited to it.

In the same scene, when Rimuru appeared and took the attack, it was stated that the world was not destroyed. So, "world" here seems to be a reference to the planet, not the literal "world" in the sense of the entire universe, especially since she was aiming the attack at a single compressed target.

It is 100% the universe. As it is called the base world. Which we know from yukki is the name of the universe. I find it funny how you just admitted to solar system level destruction,yet only the planet would be destroyed somehow

You can ask the translation helpers to check it or I'll ask them later. These are the statement from the scene.

What I'm saying is that the author seems to use "world" interchangeably between "planet" and "entire world (universe)" depending on the context.

Also, when Rimuru was at the End of Space-Time, the "world" was not destroyed, but the universe was somehow destroyed.

That is the whole reason world>universe

The kanji here can mean "cosmos" or just "universe," not a literal timeline, since even before Rimuru reached the End of Space-Time, there was still time left in the world's timeline. Ciel stated that it was because they reached the End of Space-Time due to the law of entropy, which is technically the heat death of the universe. I'll address this more specifically when the translation for Volume 21 comes out.

Was whole argument for hypertimeline

But what I'm saying is that "world" can mean different things; it doesn't have to refer to the timeline itself, as far as I see. If the timeline itself were destroyed, Chloe wouldn't be able to go back in time.

She simply travels in the worlds timeline.the universe timeline is destroyed, the worlds timeline isn’t

Was he though because from what I see Cornu was Conquering the worlds not destroying them.

Cornu wasn’t even taking orders from feldway at this point. zalario was not affiliated.

 

[PrimeHydra64]

Its not that he is separating the words because they are different rather he is separating it because they mean the same thing with different names like he is stating to both Laplace and Mai. After that, they refer to the rainbow sphere as worlds, Mai also wonders if a sphere like that is the world they came from but Yuuki says it isn't judging by the energy they can feel from it.


*this is just to provide context

Especially since it takes place in subspace where Velgrynd travels through to get to different universes.

Once, it is translated in the helper thread it should clear it up.
Because in my opinion, this is just Fuse trying to clear up any misunderstandings with his overuse of the phrase "World".