Sailor Moon: General Discussion

[WeDrinkVodka]

Fan translation or not "End of Space-Time" is a direct translation from the individual kanji used in the text. If you got a problem with the original text then I can't help with that. "Edge" isn't even written as kanji or hiragana in the raws.

They did expand on it, Diana literally calls it an alternate dimension and it's a warped space. It's not at the literal end of time. It's also written in quotes so it's clearly not meant to be taken literally.

You translated the kanji directly too... that ain't gonna work. It's just another fan translation to me.

If it's not meant to be taken literally, then that honestly makes my argument easier because we don't know what lies beyond wiseman's domain. Or if anything lies at all considering Chaos tried to warp space-time in the state arc.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Tbh the tau star system is depicted by looking like a giant star or galaxy in the manga so I'd calc it at 4-A or low 3-C. I feel like scans go above statements. Regardless, this does not necessarily prove the tau star system is not tied to the milky way. In fact, considering Pharaoh 90 is a manifestation of Chaos, it makes it all the more likely.

Statement and scans go hand in hand. They’re describing what the scans show. Also, the Tau Star System is described as a gravity graveyard, so it is not your standard celestial object.

Also, you can’t just throw away statements and mot take them into consideration.

Next, since that graveyard is located within a star, which by definition is a finite object, then by deduction the graveyard is also finite. The argument that the milky way has an infinite amount of objects thus doesn't seem credible to me when you consider how the cauldron is located within the center of the milky way. Assuming that the cauldron is actually the center of an infinite universe implies making a lot of assumptions that don't align well with the sailor moon cosmology.

You are also incorrect. Alpha Sagittarius Star is a dimension located at the center if the galaxy. The cast have to enter a doorway to reach it. It is not a normal star.

About the end of space-time... duh? I feel like that's just a different interpretation of the series, what bugs me is others seeing a wiki page and automatically assuming that's the gospel - I've seen other series fans that do this all the time. If space-time is presented to have an end, you can only assume it's infinity if you assume the assumptions above are true, you know, the infinite universe, the nature of the cauldron etc. But when the center of the milky way as presented in the manga is actually argued to be the maintainer of an entire universe, and an infinite one at that, and Usagi supposedly scaling to the cosmology then I'm sorry but I'm gonna raise my eyebrows and put my tinfoil hat.

So you are picking and choosing what to take literally or metaphorically?

Also, you forgot the part where it is stated this dimension is not inside the universe but inside the rift.

And it's obvious why a sentence can be part literal and part metaphorical. It happens all the time in media.

Do you have evidence that its metaphorical because I posted a list of reasons why its literal?

 

[AsterReal]

Tbh the tau star system is depicted by looking like a giant star or galaxy in the manga so I'd calc it at 4-A or low 3-C. I feel like scans go above statements. Regardless, this does not necessarily prove the tau star system is not tied to the milky way. In fact, considering Pharaoh 90 is a manifestation of Chaos, it makes it all the more likely.

Yes, just overlook the fact that it is called an Alternate Dimension, is said to have its own space-time and the fact that the Death Busters used an interdimensional route to enter the Universe. The fact that Pharaon 90 is an incarnation of Chaos does not imply that Pharaon 90 is from the Main Universe. More so when Chaos he says that his incarnations traveled through space and time to reach Usagi.

 

[HenshinIntervention]

You translated the kanji directly too... that ain't gonna work. It's just another fan translation to me.

If it's not meant to be taken literally, then that honestly makes my argument easier because we don't know what lies beyond wiseman's domain. Or if anything lies at all considering Chaos tried to warp space-time in the state arc.

Do you know what a fan translation is? What I described is the bare minimum take away. The word for edge does not exist in the original text and it's definitely not describing the location of the dimension. You're just coming up with excuses to avoid this.

We don't need to know what lies beyond it. Wiseman's Domain is literally just another dimension/space inside the Corridor, it's one of many.

What Chaos did or whoever did was warp the Corridor itself. What is described as "Space-Time" is the same as describing the Corridor. Sailor Pluto was the one who reported this anomaly and whenever she says "Space-Time" she is always referring to the Corridor of Space-Time, she has also called it the "Rift" or simply just "Corridor" but it's the same location.

Chaos warping the Corridor has no correlation with what you're saying.

 

[HenshinIntervention]

Statement and scans go hand in hand. They’re describing what the scans show. Also, the Tau Star System is described as a gravity graveyard, so it is not your standard celestial object.

Also, you can’t just throw away statements and mot take them into consideration.

Statements contextualize feats and images. The model shown in the Manga is exactly that, a model. And that model was called a Model Cosmos. It was confirmed that the Tau Star System is a separate space-time with a separate Corridor door (like the Future) away from the Main Universe.

Idk why some people are so afraid of using statements, like it's a Manga dude.

 

[WeDrinkVodka]

Yes, just overlook the fact that it is called an Alternate Dimension, is said to have its own space-time and the fact that the Death Busters used an interdimensional route to enter the Universe. The fact that Pharaon 90 is an incarnation of Chaos does not imply that Pharaon 90 is from the Main Universe. More so when Chaos he says that his incarnations traveled through space and time to reach Usagi.

I'm not overlooking that, it's just an irrelevant detail if you ask me.

Whatever it's called makes sense once you realize pharaoh 90 had such an influence over the Tau star system, which is why it's referred to an "alternate dimension". it doesn't mean it's still not physically tied to the milky way.

Especially since Chaos has its own star seed which came from the cauldron. Calling the Sagittarius Zero star "not a normal star" is honestly just special pleading. Just because it has a door and different physics doesnt mean it's not based on the black hole from the real life milky way.

 

[WeDrinkVodka]

Statement and scans go hand in hand. They’re describing what the scans show. Also, the Tau Star System is described as a gravity graveyard, so it is not your standard celestial object.

Also, you can’t just throw away statements and mot take them into consideration.



You are also incorrect. Alpha Sagittarius Star is a dimension located at the center if the galaxy. The cast have to enter a doorway to reach it. It is not a normal star.


So you are picking and choosing what to take literally or metaphorically?

Also, you forgot the part where it is stated this dimension is not inside the universe but inside the rift.



Do you have evidence that its metaphorical because I posted a list of reasons why its literal?

idk man you're making special pleading arguments for the Tau star system as well as the center of the milky way, everyone knows why it's depicted as an "alternate dimension" due to Pharaoh 90's influence.

No I'm not picking and choosing, I'm just saying that it makes no sense for a star supposedly in the center of a random galaxy to actually be the maintainer of an infinite universe especially when I can find a lot of holes in so many statements about sailor moon's cosmology.

Case in point: whatever Setsuna says about the space-time rift. It's mostly undocumented, isn't even peer reviewed, and is basically a transition point. You can very well interpret it as it just being a very big place. Which is another meaning for "no concepts of time and directions". I also strongly believe the cauldron and the rift have zero relation to each other.

It's metaphorical because of the nature of the manga, although this isn't dragon ball or one piece, many japanese works rely on poetic language to world build, and this approach becomes very awkward when powerscaling. Saying that the center of a random galaxy is actually the maintainer of an infinite universe makes no sense when you include context.

 

[WeDrinkVodka]

Do you know what a fan translation is? What I described is the bare minimum take away. The word for edge does not exist in the original text and it's definitely not describing the location of the dimension. You're just coming up with excuses to avoid this.

We don't need to know what lies beyond it. Wiseman's Domain is literally just another dimension/space inside the Corridor, it's one of many.

What Chaos did or whoever did was warp the Corridor itself. What is described as "Space-Time" is the same as describing the Corridor. Sailor Pluto was the one who reported this anomaly and whenever she says "Space-Time" she is always referring to the Corridor of Space-Time, she has also called it the "Rift" or simply just "Corridor" but it's the same location.

Chaos warping the Corridor has no correlation with what you're saying.

No you're basically using figures of speech except in Japanese and not English. I'm not coming up with any excuses it's just me raising my eyebrows lol. Of course we need to know what lies beyond. I don't think I need to explain why. It's not productive to look for "tiny details" or "mistranslations" and not see the big picture, you understand?

That model cosmos is only true if you assume the sailor moon verse is infinite which just doesn't fly.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

idk man you're making special pleading arguments for the Tau star system as well as the center of the milky way, everyone knows why it's depicted as an "alternate dimension" due to Pharaoh 90's influence.

???

Stating facts from the story is not special pleading arguments. The story calls it an alternate dimension several times and it is called a cosmos, and called a gravity graveyard.

You however have not provided any factual evidence other than your own interpretation of artwork.

No I'm not picking and choosing, I'm just saying that it makes no sense for a star supposedly in the center of a random galaxy to actually be the maintainer of an infinite universe especially when I can find a lot of holes in so many statements about sailor moon's cosmology.

“Makes no sense” Are you seriously demanding a magical girl story to be grounded in reality.

Also you ignored my statement that the Sagittarius Alpha Star is also a dimension.

You are ignoring my statement that wiseman’s dimension is not inside the universe.

Case in point: whatever Setsuna says about the space-time rift. It's mostly undocumented, isn't even peer reviewed, and is basically a transition point. You can very well interpret it as it just being a very big place. Which is another meaning for "no concepts of time and directions". I also strongly believe the cauldron and the rift have zero relation to each other.

It's metaphorical because of the nature of the manga, although this isn't dragon ball or one piece, many japanese works rely on poetic language to world build, and this approach becomes very awkward when powerscaling. Saying that the center of a random galaxy is actually the maintainer of an infinite universe makes no sense when you include context.

You haven’t provided anything of substance other than your own personal interpretation which is based on waving away any cosmology statements that make the verse bigger as metaphors.

I think I am done here.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

That model cosmos is only true if you assume the sailor moon verse is infinite which just doesn't fly.

The model cosmos is true because it happens and is shown in the story. You can’t deny facts.

 

[AsterReal]

I'm not overlooking that, it's just an irrelevant detail if you ask me.

Whatever it's called makes sense once you realize pharaoh 90 had such an influence over the Tau star system, which is why it's referred to an "alternate dimension". it doesn't mean it's still not physically tied to the milky way.

Especially since Chaos has its own star seed which came from the cauldron. Calling the Sagittarius Zero star "not a normal star" is honestly just special pleading. Just because it has a door and different physics doesnt mean it's not based on the black hole from the real life milky way.

You continue to ignore it, only now with complete chutzpah. The bold highlighted part, just blatantly shows that you simply prefer to omit information if it doesn't fit your perception of things and prefer to use a headcanon as an argument, when that is not an argument. It is simply what you think.

The Tau Star System is an Alternate Dimension, it has its own space-time and the Death Busters had to use an Interdimensional Route to enter the Prime Universe.

It is an Alternate Dimension by the standards of this wiki (which accepts the Tau Star System as ub Cosmos Low 2-C). If you disagree with all the current cosmology in the verse, make a demotion thread and let's see if the staff agrees with you.

 

[WeDrinkVodka]

You continue to ignore it, only now with complete chutzpah. The bold highlighted part, just blatantly shows that you simply prefer to omit information if it doesn't fit your perception of things and prefer to use a headcanon as an argument, when that is not an argument. It is simply what you think.

The Tau Star System is an Alternate Dimension, it has its own space-time and the Death Busters had to use an Interdimensional Route to enter the Prime Universe.

It is an Alternate Dimension by the standards of this wiki (which accepts the Tau Star System as ub Cosmos Low 2-C). If you disagree with all the current cosmology in the verse, make a demotion thread and let's see if the staff agrees with you.

Honestly I'm considering to make a downgrade revision thread when I have time.

There's nothing more than the Occam's razor at play here. Here's why

1. The name of the celestial structure is called the Tau star system
2. It is being controlled by an incarnation of Chaos, the source of all evil in the galaxy (as described)
3. It's depicted as a giant star/star system or possibly galaxy
4. It's a alternate universe separated from the main SM community

Immediately you can see what the problem is: 2, 3 and 4 cannot be true at the same time. Why? because you can't call a star system an universe, you cannot assume it's connected to an infinite universe either, not with the proof we have, and most of all, it's being depicted as a structure with time, directions, and is even finite as depicted in the scans! and no, "interdimensional routes" (I'd like to see evidence on this btw) aren't gonna be enough to save the day if we see and know what the Tau star system looks like.

It's called a star system, it looks like a star system and it acts like one. why call it an universe?

 

[WeDrinkVodka]

The model cosmos is true because it happens and is shown in the story. You can’t deny facts.

I'd say Occam's razor makes a lot more sense than whatever the so called model cosmos of the tau ss is.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

because you can't call a star system an universe

Why is calling a universe a system of stars contradictory? Do universes not have stars?

you cannot assume it's connected to an infinite universe either, not with the proof we have

What proof?

proof we have, and most of all, it's being depicted as a structure with time, directions, and is even finite as depicted in the scans!

What are you even talking about? When did we say the tau star system doesn’t have time or directions?

s called a star system, it looks like a star system and it acts like one. why call it an universe

It is depicted with multiple globular structures. It doesn’t act like a solar system or a gaxy because its a gravity graveyard yard.

Its a universe because its an alternate dimension with its own spacetime and is called a cosmos and also called a universe in both animes.

 

[WeDrinkVodka]

Why is calling a universe a system of stars contradictory? Do universes not have stars?


What proof?


What are you even talking about? When did we say the tau star system doesn’t have time or directions?


It is depicted with multiple globular structures. It doesn’t act like a solar system or a gaxy because its a gravity graveyard yard.

Its a universe because its an alternate dimension with its own spacetime and is called a cosmos and also called a universe in both animes.

ok but being a gravity graveyard is just another way to say that it subscribes to different gravity rules.

Yeah and you know why it's called an "alternate dimension"? please follow me, and maybe take notes too, so you can see my interpretation.

People here severely underestimate how big a solar system is, let alone an universe. How are the sailors and even pharaoh 90 supposed to know that it's an actual universe? Maybe because for far too long, we have been living in our own battleboarding bubble and forgot how big celestial bodies and structures actually are.

So when you can't comprehend how big a solar system is, it's reasonable to call the Tau star system an "alternate universe" (you will see that this also applies to queen nehellenia's mirror).

When things are big, calling them universes makes sense, don't you think so?

However, this means absolutely zilch when it comes to determining the size of fictional objects just because the manga is open to other interpretations that you parrot as the truth. The Tau star system is just that, a star system, 4-A.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

ok but being a gravity graveyard is just another way to say that it subscribes to different gravity rules.

Yeah and you know why it's called an "alternate dimension"? please follow me, and maybe take notes too, so you can see my interpretation.

People here severely underestimate how big a solar system is, let alone an universe. How are the sailors and even pharaoh 90 supposed to know that it's an actual universe? Maybe because for far too long, we have been living in our own battleboarding bubble and forgot how big celestial bodies and structures actually are.

So when you can't comprehend how big a solar system is, it's reasonable to call the Tau star system an "alternate universe" (you will see that this also applies to queen nehellenia's mirror).

When things are big, calling them universes makes sense, don't you think so?

However, this means absolutely zilch when it comes to determining the size of fictional objects just because the manga is open to other interpretations that you parrot as the truth. The Tau star system is just that, a star system, 4-A.

Wtf are you even on about?

Its a universe because its an alternate dimension with its own spacetime and is called a cosmos and also called a universe in both animes.

Making up some strawman that we call it a universe because it’s big is silly.

I’m ending this conversation because you are obviously not acting in good faith.

 

[WeDrinkVodka]

Wtf are you even on about?

Its a universe because its an alternate dimension with its own spacetime and is called a cosmos and also called a universe in both animes.

Making up some strawman that we call it a universe because it’s big is silly.

I’m ending this conversation because you are obviously not acting in good faith.

no no no, you listen here. Nothing about this is a "strawman". You're just repeating the same words but you're not expanding on them, which leads to a dodgy argumentation, which leads to a dodgy cosmology.

I'm not making a strawman argument at all... I think you need to stop taking your own interpretation as the gospel. I don't know if you're realizing but you're slowly burying your own arguments with every post.

 

[AsterReal]

Honestly I'm considering to make a downgrade revision thread when I have time.

There's nothing more than the Occam's razor at play here. Here's why

1. The name of the celestial structure is called the Tau star system

It is not relevant what it is called.

2. It is being controlled by an incarnation of Chaos, the source of all evil in the galaxy (as described)

Chaos does not say that it is the source of evil in the Galaxy, he says that his incarnations wander the Galaxy. Even so, the context of the story does not speak of the Galaxy in general.

3. It's depicted as a giant star/star system or possibly galaxy

It is not represented as a star. And although it looks like a galaxy (as in most sleeves where they represent a universe that way). It is said to be an Alternative Dimension, which is another world. It has its own space-time and the Death Busters had to invade the universe through a "door that opened" for them to invade the earth.

4. It's a alternate universe separated from the main SM community

Yes, the whole context of the story shows it that way. Sailor Pluto closes the way to the Tau Star System, because it is another world, an alternative dimension and has its own space-time. If the Tau Star System were inside the Universe, Sailor Pluto would not close a taboo door.

Immediately you can see what the problem is: 2, 3 and 4 cannot be true at the same time. Why? because you can't call a star system an universe, you cannot assume it's connected to an infinite universe either, not with the proof we have, and most of all, it's being depicted as a structure with time, directions, and is even finite as depicted in the scans! and no, "interdimensional routes" (I'd like to see evidence on this btw) aren't gonna be enough to save the day if we see and know what the Tau star system looks like.

It's called a star system, it looks like a star system and it acts like one. why call it an universe?

Mhhh no, what I see here is simply a fallacy in name. The Tau Star System was connected to the Main Universe through a path or gate that the Death Busters used to enter Earth. At the end of the third arc, Sailor Pluto closes that taboo door. The Tau Star System is called "another world", "dimension", "alternate dimension", and "small universe" according to a cosmological model based on that place. That it is not called Universe does not mean that it is not, if the whole third arc is named and portrayed as such (although it is literally called an alternate dimension, another name for a universe).

 

[HenshinIntervention]

no no no, you listen here. Nothing about this is a "strawman". You're just repeating the same words but you're not expanding on them, which leads to a dodgy argumentation, which leads to a dodgy cosmology.

I'm not making a strawman argument at all... I think you need to stop taking your own interpretation as the gospel. I don't know if you're realizing but you're slowly burying your own arguments with every post.

Honestly, your interpretations require so much headcanon 'n excuses that it's not even funny. I'll entertain you this once.

ok but being a gravity graveyard is just another way to say that it subscribes to different gravity rules.

Gravity is the curvature of Space-Time. The Tau Star System is located separately from the Main Universe, that's why the Death Busters had to enter the Main Universe through a Space-Time Anomaly (the Corridor Door wasn't meant to be there).

So right off the bat I just put two and two together. What did you do? Let's see

"It's called the Tau Star System therefore it's a Star System"

Nice Nominal Fallacy.
Yeah it's called a Star System, but you know what else it's called? A Universe, dimension and space-time. Unless you want to say that Star Systems in Sailor Moon are Space-Time Continuums, I wouldn't try this ^_^ there are a disturbing amount of scans calling it World or Universe as well. You can be named something but be something totally different from your name.

"it's being depicted as a structure with time, directions, and is even finite as depicted in the scans!"

A structure with time and directions would help our case actually! Thanks for conceding that it is separate and has its own dimensions..
Oh and I hope you know that the only indication that it's "finite" is a copy paste visual of its model briefly shown when Pharaoh 90 attempted to merge the Planet and the System together. He wasn't even finished merging because Saturn attacked him and quickly shoved him back through the Corridor Door and Pluto closed it.

So? So, you used a visual showing part of a Location and declared it to represent all of it. Keep in mind, it doesn't matter if this system is even finite lol, on this wiki if it has its own Space-Time Continuum than it's just 4D in its totality. And the Tau Star System is not part of the Main Universe, it's so off the radar that Setsuna doesn't even acknowledge it until she recognized the anomaly which allowed them to travel to the Main Universe in the first place. Sailor Mercury who is shown to be a huge Astronomy Nerd (knows about the Weaver Stars and other facts related to Constellation), has never heard of the Tau Star System.
So its size has no effect on the Main Universe.

Yeah and you know why it's called an "alternate dimension"? please follow me, and maybe take notes too, so you can see my interpretation.
People here severely underestimate how big a solar system is, let alone an universe. How are the sailors and even pharaoh 90 supposed to know that it's an actual universe? Maybe because for far too long, we have been living in our own battleboarding bubble and forgot how big celestial bodies and structures actually are.
So when you can't comprehend how big a solar system is, it's reasonable to call the Tau star system an "alternate universe" (you will see that this also applies to queen nehellenia's mirror).

So let's see
You see statements showing and implying that its true size is bigger than a Solar System (Ex: Death Busters calling a model of it a Model Universe/Cosmos) contrary to its given name... but instead of accepting that, you choose to:

• Go on and on about how we powerscalers "severely underestimate" the size of a Solar System (How this is relevant to the Mangaka writing a Fictional Star System to be another dimension is beyond me)
• Project your reasoning to In Universe Characters "well it's reasonable to assume that it's Universal because we can't comprehend the size of Solar Systems"

^None of the Guardians ever comment on its size except calling it a Dimension, and it was Sailor Pluto. The Death Busters and Pharaoh 90 were born in the Tau Dimension, there's nothing indicating that they shouldn't know the mechanics of their Universe considering they are Intelligent Lifeforms with intelligence on par if not superior to Humans.

"How are the sailors and even pharaoh 90 supposed to know that it's an actual universe?"
Headcanon counter: 1
Please don't beg the question.

When things are big, calling them universes makes sense, don't you think so?

Irrelevant, also please don't beg the question.

However, this means absolutely zilch when it comes to determining the size of fictional objects just because the manga is open to other interpretations that you parrot as the truth. The Tau star system is just that, a star system, 4-A.

You needed to commit a Nominal Fallacy in order to accept the Tau Star System as 4-A, seems to me your interpretation is flawed and contradicted per the Source Material.
I'll summarize the arguments in favor and against.

For: Space-Time Anomaly and Dimensional Travel is required to travel between Main Universe and Tau Star System, Stated to be a separate Dimension by Setsuna, Stated to be a Universe/Cosmos by Death Busters (Model Cosmos), Stated to be a separate Space-Time, Stated to be a separate World (both Sekai and the Kanjin for "Otherworld"/"The Next World" are present), has its own Gravity which indicates Space-Time

Against: "It's called a Star System and one visual that shows part of it looks finite also I personally believe it cannot POSSIBLY be more than what's named"

I think this also falls under Argument from Incredulity. I already went through with staff on this site, and they reviewed all the scans presented. I honestly do not care if you personally can't believe this. If you respond to this with a variation of begging the question, argument from incredulity or some other fallacious dismissal I will accept your concession.

and no, "interdimensional routes" (I'd like to see evidence on this btw) aren't gonna be enough to save the day if we see and know what the Tau star system looks like.

Read Stars. Setsuna and the Kitties review the Meteors and stated that the only possibility of their origin are from Interdimensional routes. They couldn't possibly check them all. This is after the Starlights presented themselves. Also, again you only saw part of the Tau Star System, not all of it because Pharaoh 90 was continuously prevented from his goal of merging the Planet and the System. Try actually finding me a visual.

Especially since Chaos has its own star seed which came from the cauldron. Calling the Sagittarius Zero star "not a normal star" is honestly just special pleading. Just because it has a door and different physics doesnt mean it's not based on the black hole from the real life milky way.

Yes, because real life black holes in our Milky Way toootalllly have an Endless Graveyard full of dead 'n dying stuff. Sagittarius Zero Star has a desert river, a shifting castle and Primordial Sea... it is also called the most powerful Star by Galaxia, The Starlights and Chaos. You would know this if you read Stars ^_^

Headcanon Counter: 2 Being based on something doesn't mean you are that thing. Try not to fall under Association Fallacy next time.

No you're basically using figures of speech except in Japanese and not English. I'm not coming up with any excuses it's just me raising my eyebrows lol. Of course we need to know what lies beyond. I don't think I need to explain why. It's not productive to look for "tiny details" or "mistranslations" and not see the big picture, you understand?

I speak 'n read Japanese, just not a 日本語名人 ya feel me? Anyways, what you're calling "figures of speech" is basic Japanese Grammar. I'll even tell you what the actual word is
―ここは じゃこくす 「邪黒水晶」の マイナスパワーで つくりあげたくうかねじれた空間ワイズマンの 支配する 「 時空の果て」よ
「 時空の果て」--> 時空: Space-time 果て: end; extremity; limit
「 」is Japanese Quotes
Wiseman and the Black Crystal can warp and distort space and time so it being the "End of Space-Time" makes sense, the Black Crystal dominates and warps Space and Time. Read the scans, because I'll know if you didn't because this is word for word stated and shown.

As for the other part, prove that Wiseman's Domain is the end all be all. Consider Setsuna and Luna's statement in Stars Arc that there are too many Dimensions in the immediate Solar System vicinity to possibly check. If you can do this than congratulations! You proved nothing. The amount of dimensions in the Multiverse doesn't matter because the Universe remains infinite regardless of the state of the other dimensions.

Yes, just overlook the fact that it is called an Alternate Dimension, is said to have its own space-time and the fact that the Death Busters used an interdimensional route to enter the Universe. The fact that Pharaon 90 is an incarnation of Chaos does not imply that Pharaon 90 is from the Main Universe. More so when Chaos he says that his incarnations traveled through space and time to reach Usagi.

I'm not overlooking that, it's just an irrelevant detail if you ask me.

They start at the Cauldron, and they travel across Space and Time to where they are meant to be. Pharaoh 90 originates from an alternate dimension which is only accessible via Dimensional Travel and is a another Space-Time. Need you to put two and two together.

Case in point: whatever Setsuna says about the space-time rift. It's mostly undocumented, isn't even peer reviewed, and is basically a transition point. You can very well interpret it as it just being a very big place. Which is another meaning for "no concepts of time and directions". I also strongly believe the cauldron and the rift have zero relation to each other.

Headcanon counter: 5 (3 in a row!)
Setsuna is Older than Time, her father is Chronos, has a major on Fundamental Physics with an emphasis on Theoretical Physics, physically feels every anomaly not only inside the Corridor but in Space-Time itself... you tell me. This is all word for word from the Manga by the way. Strongly believing in your headcanon that the Cauldron and Corridor are not related is not evidence!

It's metaphorical because of the nature of the manga, although this isn't dragon ball or one piece, many japanese works rely on poetic language to world build, and this approach becomes very awkward when powerscaling.

Proceeds to not prove why this statement in particular is purely metaphorical.

Saying that the center of a random galaxy is actually the maintainer of an infinite universe makes no sense when you include context.

The context is that the center of the Milky Way is where the Primordial Sea and Source of everything, surrounded by a desert sea, a massive teleporting castle, a garden and a graveyard of dead stars exists. Also called the most powerful Star by Chaos, Starlights and Galaxia.

In conclusion your arguments against Infinite Universe are:

"It has Sagittarius Zero Star and the Milky Way which are based on real life places" --> Never proves what this has to do with the size of a fictional Universe (Non Sequitur) and doesn't prove that irl Sagittarius Zero Star and the Milky Way are one to one with Fictional Sailor Moon Sagittarius Zero Star and the Milky Way (Association Fallacy).

"Wiseman's Domain" --> Clings onto literal mistranslation. Prioritizes own interpretation over Japanese text.

"Tau Star System" --> Nominal Fallacy (Assumes name means Tau Star System is only a Star System and nothing else, disregards other statements because they do not fit their interpretation, Argument from Incredulity (Cannot believe Fictional Star System is not actually the size of a real Star System but larger, uses irrelevant comparison to Powerscalers and own suspension of belief)

"It's metaphorical" --> Claim with no actual evidence, possibly another Argument from Incredulity since they believe this with no substantial evidence (Uranus' comparison has weight as I explained prior since Guardians have extrasensory perception on the cosmic scale, also goes hand in hand with the definition of Static Universe that the manga deliberately chose to use)
^Oh and if you try the "well Naoko probably just used an infinite thing and made it finite" please know that this is a baseless claim with nothing remotely suggesting it! Great job ignoring the clear hint at the size of the Universe from Uranus a whole 2 arcs earlier to avoid accepting this as well. I ran this through staff and they have already evaluated my reasoning in using Uranus' statement.

Conclusion
Stop being so dismissive of everything and clinging to your interpretations. It's not Reddit. Nobody is gonna doubt every syllable you use.

Respond with anything other than empirical evidence showing: correlation between fictional Sagittarius Zero Star/Milky Way and Infinite Universe, that the Tau Star System lives up to its name without using half-assed visuals, that the Uranus comparison is 100% positively just a metaphor and not noteworthy, that "warping space-time" has any correlation with the Universe (another Argument from Incredulity and Non Sequitur since you do not elaborate why Chaos warping space-time disproves the size of the Universe other than your suspension of belief being challenged) ... and I will stop taking you seriously and start copy-pasting stuff that has been said already.

Total Count: 5 Headcanons, 8 possibly 9 Fallacies committed

 

[WeDrinkVodka]

Honestly, your interpretations require so much headcanon 'n excuses that it's not even funny. I'll entertain you this once.

Gravity is the curvature of Space-Time. The Tau Star System is located separately from the Main Universe, that's why the Death Busters had to enter the Main Universe through a Space-Time Anomaly (the Corridor Door wasn't meant to be there).

So right off the bat I just put two and two together. What did you do? Let's see

Nice Nominal Fallacy.
Yeah it's called a Star System, but you know what else it's called? A Universe, dimension and space-time. Unless you want to say that Star Systems in Sailor Moon are Space-Time Continuums, I wouldn't try this ^_^ there are a disturbing amount of scans calling it World or Universe as well. You can be named something but be something totally different from your name.


A structure with time and directions would help our case actually! Thanks for conceding that it is separate and has its own dimensions..
Oh and I hope you know that the only indication that it's "finite" is a copy paste visual of its model briefly shown when Pharaoh 90 attempted to merge the Planet and the System together. He wasn't even finished merging because Saturn attacked him and quickly shoved him back through the Corridor Door and Pluto closed it.

So? So, you used a visual showing part of a Location and declared it to represent all of it. Keep in mind, it doesn't matter if this system is even finite lol, on this wiki if it has its own Space-Time Continuum than it's just 4D in its totality. And the Tau Star System is not part of the Main Universe, it's so off the radar that Setsuna doesn't even acknowledge it until she recognized the anomaly which allowed them to travel to the Main Universe in the first place. Sailor Mercury who is shown to be a huge Astronomy Nerd (knows about the Weaver Stars and other facts related to Constellation), has never heard of the Tau Star System.
So its size has no effect on the Main Universe.


So let's see
You see statements showing and implying that its true size is bigger than a Solar System (Ex: Death Busters calling a model of it a Model Universe/Cosmos) contrary to its given name... but instead of accepting that, you choose to:

• Go on and on about how we powerscalers "severely underestimate" the size of a Solar System (How this is relevant to the Mangaka writing a Fictional Star System to be another dimension is beyond me)
• Project your reasoning to In Universe Characters "well it's reasonable to assume that it's Universal because we can't comprehend the size of Solar Systems"

^None of the Guardians ever comment on its size except calling it a Dimension, and it was Sailor Pluto. The Death Busters and Pharaoh 90 were born in the Tau Dimension, there's nothing indicating that they shouldn't know the mechanics of their Universe considering they are Intelligent Lifeforms with intelligence on par if not superior to Humans.

"How are the sailors and even pharaoh 90 supposed to know that it's an actual universe?"
Headcanon counter: 1
Please don't beg the question.

Irrelevant, also please don't beg the question.

You needed to commit a Nominal Fallacy in order to accept the Tau Star System as 4-A, seems to me your interpretation is flawed and contradicted per the Source Material.
I'll summarize the arguments in favor and against.

For: Space-Time Anomaly and Dimensional Travel is required to travel between Main Universe and Tau Star System, Stated to be a separate Dimension by Setsuna, Stated to be a Universe/Cosmos by Death Busters (Model Cosmos), Stated to be a separate Space-Time, Stated to be a separate World (both Sekai and the Kanjin for "Otherworld"/"The Next World" are present), has its own Gravity which indicates Space-Time

Against: "It's called a Star System and one visual that shows part of it looks finite also I personally believe it cannot POSSIBLY be more than what's named"

I think this also falls under Argument from Incredulity. I already went through with staff on this site, and they reviewed all the scans presented. I honestly do not care if you personally can't believe this. If you respond to this with a variation of begging the question, argument from incredulity or some other fallacious dismissal I will accept your concession.

Read Stars. Setsuna and the Kitties review the Meteors and stated that the only possibility of their origin are from Interdimensional routes. They couldn't possibly check them all. This is after the Starlights presented themselves. Also, again you only saw part of the Tau Star System, not all of it because Pharaoh 90 was continuously prevented from his goal of merging the Planet and the System. Try actually finding me a visual.

Yes, because real life black holes in our Milky Way toootalllly have an Endless Graveyard full of dead 'n dying stuff. Sagittarius Zero Star has a desert river, a shifting castle and Primordial Sea... it is also called the most powerful Star by Galaxia, The Starlights and Chaos. You would know this if you read Stars ^_^

Headcanon Counter: 2 Being based on something doesn't mean you are that thing. Try not to fall under Association Fallacy next time.

I speak 'n read Japanese, just not a 日本語名人 ya feel me? Anyways, what you're calling "figures of speech" is basic Japanese Grammar. I'll even tell you what the actual word is
―ここは じゃこくす 「邪黒水晶」の マイナスパワーで つくりあげたくうかねじれた空間ワイズマンの 支配する 「 時空の果て」よ
「 時空の果て」--> 時空: Space-time 果て: end; extremity; limit
「 」is Japanese Quotes
Wiseman and the Black Crystal can warp and distort space and time so it being the "End of Space-Time" makes sense, the Black Crystal dominates and warps Space and Time. Read the scans, because I'll know if you didn't because this is word for word stated and shown.

As for the other part, prove that Wiseman's Domain is the end all be all. Consider Setsuna and Luna's statement in Stars Arc that there are too many Dimensions in the immediate Solar System vicinity to possibly check. If you can do this than congratulations! You proved nothing. The amount of dimensions in the Multiverse doesn't matter because the Universe remains infinite regardless of the state of the other dimensions.


They start at the Cauldron, and they travel across Space and Time to where they are meant to be. Pharaoh 90 originates from an alternate dimension which is only accessible via Dimensional Travel and is a another Space-Time. Need you to put two and two together.

Headcanon counter: 5 (3 in a row!)
Setsuna is Older than Time, her father is Chronos, has a major on Fundamental Physics with an emphasis on Theoretical Physics, physically feels every anomaly not only inside the Corridor but in Space-Time itself... you tell me. This is all word for word from the Manga by the way. Strongly believing in your headcanon that the Cauldron and Corridor are not related is not evidence!

Proceeds to not prove why this statement in particular is purely metaphorical.

The context is that the center of the Milky Way is where the Primordial Sea and Source of everything, surrounded by a desert sea, a massive teleporting castle, a garden and a graveyard of dead stars exists. Also called the most powerful Star by Chaos, Starlights and Galaxia.

In conclusion your arguments against Infinite Universe are:

"It has Sagittarius Zero Star and the Milky Way which are based on real life places" --> Never proves what this has to do with the size of a fictional Universe (Non Sequitur) and doesn't prove that irl Sagittarius Zero Star and the Milky Way are one to one with Fictional Sailor Moon Sagittarius Zero Star and the Milky Way (Association Fallacy).

"Wiseman's Domain" --> Clings onto literal mistranslation. Prioritizes own interpretation over Japanese text.

"Tau Star System" --> Nominal Fallacy (Assumes name means Tau Star System is only a Star System and nothing else, disregards other statements because they do not fit their interpretation, Argument from Incredulity (Cannot believe Fictional Star System is not actually the size of a real Star System but larger, uses irrelevant comparison to Powerscalers and own suspension of belief)

"It's metaphorical" --> Claim with no actual evidence, possibly another Argument from Incredulity since they believe this with no substantial evidence (Uranus' comparison has weight as I explained prior since Guardians have extrasensory perception on the cosmic scale, also goes hand in hand with the definition of Static Universe that the manga deliberately chose to use)
^Oh and if you try the "well Naoko probably just used an infinite thing and made it finite" please know that this is a baseless claim with nothing remotely suggesting it! Great job ignoring the clear hint at the size of the Universe from Uranus a whole 2 arcs earlier to avoid accepting this as well. I ran this through staff and they have already evaluated my reasoning in using Uranus' statement.

Conclusion
Stop being so dismissive of everything and clinging to your interpretations. It's not Reddit. Nobody is gonna doubt every syllable you use.

Respond with anything other than empirical evidence showing: correlation between fictional Sagittarius Zero Star/Milky Way and Infinite Universe, that the Tau Star System lives up to its name without using half-assed visuals, that the Uranus comparison is 100% positively just a metaphor and not noteworthy, that "warping space-time" has any correlation with the Universe (another Argument from Incredulity and Non Sequitur since you do not elaborate why Chaos warping space-time disproves the size of the Universe other than your suspension of belief being challenged) ... and I will stop taking you seriously and start copy-pasting stuff that has been said already.

Total Count: 5 Headcanons, 8 possibly 9 Fallacies committed

First of all, since you keep pointing out logical fallacies at me, I'll just let you know that your post is one big "fallacy fallacy". And also a big post hoc argument while we're at it.

Fortunately for me, you're honestly making my argument easier. For you see, you did not put two and two together, and I can see right through your metaphor-ridden argument regarding the gravity of the Tau star system.

You know what this post just proved? that you're very adept at putting two irrelevant arguments together. Look at your analogy between the lambda constant and Haruka spreading her loneliness to infinity. I can play this game as well, and say that this is a post hoc fallacy. But unlike the likes of you I'm not gonna be condescending and link to logical fallacies because it's not needed.

No one cares what the Tau star system is called when you see the big picture. You keep throwing big words and using headcanon, and you're copy pasting what you already said because you don't have real evidence. You know damn well the Tau star system is not its own space-time continuum. How can you even say that when it's tied to the galaxy cauldron? which as i've established, represents all the star seeds in the milky way? don't make it look bigger than it is. For someone who keeps accusing others of logical fallacies you're damn good at making them yourself.

That endless graveyard does not exist. It is not even hinted at in the manga. It's a graveyard located in the middle of a star. If you honestly think that's infinite, please tell me where can I find infinite stars with a telescope. It's called endless because you can't see its limits with your eyes. It makes sense when you're in a forest and it takes quite a while to get through it. At one point you will say: "this forest is endless omg!"

Good for you that you speak Japanese, but it doesn't make you special. Your interpretation is messed up because there is no correlation between the black crystal warping space time and the name of the location. Committing nominal fallacies when it suits you ain't gonna work buddy. You are being contradicted by your own scans. Also don't you see how the japanese word you mentioned has multiple meanings and you picked whatever suits you to make sailor moon bigger than it is?

There is zero evidence that Setsuna being knowledgeable on the nature of the space-time rift and physics automatically proves that rift is endless and even more egregious, that it has anything to do with the center of the milky way. When you break it down you kinda see how ridiculous it sounds, but covering it up in flowery language and describing them with capitalized words isn't gonna work with the likes of me.

Please learn how cosmology works and how to describe it as shown by your own scans.

edit: I just reviewed your "part of the Tau star system" argument and tbh you're just digging your own grave. That part is not infinitesimal, it's quite a big slice of the structure. You've just admitted with this very line that the Tau star system is not what you think it is. So in other words you're being contradicted by your own scans again. I hope you don't run away from this debate, because I'm curious to see more about the way you scale this verse.

edit 2: No one worth debating would summarize the for and against reasoning the way you did, your bias is very obvious and it shows. I also find it interesting that your self-confidence in maintaining your arguments is very high, but it's much easier to find flaws and holes in your logic than you think.

 

[WeDrinkVodka]

It is not relevant what it is called.

Chaos does not say that it is the source of evil in the Galaxy, he says that his incarnations wander the Galaxy. Even so, the context of the story does not speak of the Galaxy in general.

It is not represented as a star. And although it looks like a galaxy (as in most sleeves where they represent a universe that way). It is said to be an Alternative Dimension, which is another world. It has its own space-time and the Death Busters had to invade the universe through a "door that opened" for them to invade the earth.

Yes, the whole context of the story shows it that way. Sailor Pluto closes the way to the Tau Star System, because it is another world, an alternative dimension and has its own space-time. If the Tau Star System were inside the Universe, Sailor Pluto would not close a taboo door.

Mhhh no, what I see here is simply a fallacy in name. The Tau Star System was connected to the Main Universe through a path or gate that the Death Busters used to enter Earth. At the end of the third arc, Sailor Pluto closes that taboo door. The Tau Star System is called "another world", "dimension", "alternate dimension", and "small universe" according to a cosmological model based on that place. That it is not called Universe does not mean that it is not, if the whole third arc is named and portrayed as such (although it is literally called an alternate dimension, another name for a universe).

lol @ nominal fallacy. I've said earlier why it's been described as an universe, because it's really big. Also please don't come with the "taboo door" argument because it's irrelevant to the nature of the Tau star system. Unless you too believe that the corridor and the cauldron are related, there is no reason to believe this.

Also Naoko planned to continue writing the manga and stopped in 1997 tells me that she had other plans for the nature of the cauldron. Peeking at the manga you will see that many aspects of the sm cosmology seem unfinished.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

If you honestly think that's infinite, please tell me where can I find infinite stars with a telescope.

Bro thinks a magical girl manga has to adhere to real life physics.

 

[AsterReal]

lol @ nominal fallacy. I've said earlier why it's been described as an universe, because it's really big. Also please don't come with the "taboo door" argument because it's irrelevant to the nature of the Tau star system. Unless you too believe that the corridor and the cauldron are related, there is no reason to believe this.

Also Naoko planned to continue writing the manga and stopped in 1997 tells me that she had other plans for the nature of the cauldron. Peeking at the manga you will see that many aspects of the sm cosmology seem unfinished.

At this point I will stop arguing with you. The Tau Star System is a Low Level 2-C Cosmos in this wiki. So do your downgrading thread instead of spouting accusations and coming to tell us why you are the one who has the absolute truth. Even though you yourself have said that "manga can be interpreted in different ways."

That's all I intend to tell you unless I think you won't say something beyond "it follows the logic of real life, it's not an Alternate Dimension they call it that because it's so big."

 

[WeDrinkVodka]

Bro thinks a magical girl manga has to adhere to real life physics.

you thought you were cooking with this one but your argument is just "well it's fiction anything can happen"

 

[WeDrinkVodka]

At this point I will stop arguing with you. The Tau Star System is a Low Level 2-C Cosmos in this wiki. So do your downgrading thread instead of spouting accusations and coming to tell us why you are the one who has the absolute truth. Even though you yourself have said that "manga can be interpreted in different ways."

That's all I intend to tell you unless I think you won't say something beyond "it follows the logic of real life, it's not an Alternate Dimension they call it that because it's so big."

ngl I don't think you don't have any better arguments since you all are choosing to withdraw from our discussion here and therefore y'all looking like the pigeon on the chess board

if you notice, the tone of your reasoning, and I'm speaking for all three of you, is suspiciously similar, while I have been able to come up with new ideas and arguments with every post. I wouldn't say "coming to tell us"... I'd say "coming to tell me".

So you're now resorting to copy pasting because the cracks are opening. This post is another "well it's fiction anything can happen" but laid down in grandiose terms js.

 

[AsterReal]

ngl I don't think you don't have any better arguments since you all are choosing to withdraw from our discussion here and therefore y'all looking like the pigeon on the chess board

if you notice, the tone of your reasoning, and I'm speaking for all three of you, is suspiciously similar, while I have been able to come up with new ideas and arguments with every post. I wouldn't say "coming to tell us"... I'd say "coming to tell me".

So you're now resorting to copy pasting because the cracks are opening. This post is another "well it's fiction anything can happen" but laid down in grandiose terms js.

I will ask you to behave appropriately. On this wiki you can't just make colloquial comments at will and whim.

 

[WeDrinkVodka]

I will ask you to behave appropriately. On this wiki you can't just make colloquial comments at will and whim.

don't minimod, I never behaved inappropriately, okay? please consider working on yourself.

 

[HenshinIntervention]

Since you wanna be persistent I'll backtrack on my previous statement that I'll only copy and paste. I'll keep the previous count.

First of all, since you keep pointing out logical fallacies at me, I'll just let you know that your post is one big "fallacy fallacy". And also a big post hoc argument while we're at it.

Good for you, unfortunately most of your arguments are irrelevant comparisons. You refuse to see the connections and cling to your own views.

Fortunately for me, you're honestly making my argument easier. For you see, you did not put two and two together, and I can see right through your metaphor-ridden argument regarding the gravity of the Tau star system.
You know what this post just proved? that you're very adept at putting two irrelevant arguments together. Look at your analogy between the lambda constant and Haruka spreading her loneliness to infinity. I can play this game as well, and say that this is a post hoc fallacy. But unlike the likes of you I'm not gonna be condescending and link to logical fallacies because it's not needed.

I linked to logical fallacies in case anybody wanted to read the definitions and see if I'm wrong or not. If you got a problem with that, I do not care.

Look at your analogy between the lambda constant and Haruka spreading her loneliness to infinity. I can play this game as well, and say that this is a post hoc fallacy

Nice Strawman, I didn't say the "lambda Constant" and "Haruka spreading her loneliness to infinity" (what even is this description lmfao this is NOT what I said) are the same or in a similar vein. What I said is that the Static Universe model that the Manga VERY CLEARLY follows explicitly mentions that the Universe is spatially and temporally infinite which fits in line with what Haruka's comparison between True Loneliness (Solitude) and the Universe is.

That descriptor was so poorly worded that I'll just repeat what Haruka was saying because you clearly want to avoid it and made up a weaker version of her statement.
Act 32; The Outer Sailor Guardians come back to aid the Prince and Princess. There is a lore drop of what exactly the Outer Sailor Guardians' purpose is.

"We, too, have fought since ancient times. Our Mission was to drive off Invaders from the distant reaches of space, defending the Silver Millennium from afar."

Awareness check: The Outer Guardians are posted outside the Solar System far away. Their mission is to fend off potential invaders from the rest of the Universe. Something to note is that they are not together. They are posted far away from each other and they were not supposed to have met each other or Sailor Moon. They constantly face the outside of the Solar System (this is physically shown in the chapter btw) in order to identify threats, protecting the Solar System from outside.

Act 35; Outers and Inners are now working together to beat the Death Busters. 3 of the Outers are riding in an elevator with Sailor Moon, they have this conversation:

SM: "I start to feel like I'm all alone, and I get scared. I'm overwhelmed with an awful feeling..."
Haruka: "This isn't 'real solitude' Princess. Real Solitude... spreads out into Infinity. Like where we came from."
SM: "Tell me... Uranus, Neptune, Pluto. What was it like, where you three were stationed?"
Haruka: "It was lonely."

Now tell me Vodka, what does "where we came from" and "where you three were stationed" refer to?
If you answered "duh, the places where each Guardian was stationed at somewhere outside" you are absolutely correct. Now, what does Uranus compare using the word "Like" to what she deems as "True Solitude" (Solitude is the state of being alone) which she defined as extending to Infinity?
If you answered "Haruka is comparing her definition of real Solitude to the places (posts) where they oversee the Universe from" you are absolutely correct.

Now I know you probably already have a interpretation of this that matches your finite Universe agenda, but let's actually see what Haruka said. I strongly advise reading carefully, because it'll be cramped.
Sailor Moon states that she feels truly alone, scared and overwhelmed by a bad feeling. Haruka says that what she is feeling isn't what she deems as "Real Solitude". She says that the feeling of "Real Solitude" actually extends to infinity. Then Haruka states after saying that "Real Solitude" is something that extends to infinity that this concept is like where she and the Outers came from. Haruka is not talking about the feeling of being Alone here. Why? Because that question was never asked. Sailor Moon asks her right after this comparison on how it was like (Asking her how she felt) being there in those posts far away. Haruka then says that it was in fact lonely (which means she does consider it to be "Real Solitude") being stationed there.

What did Haruka do? She compared Real Solitude, a concept she thinks extends to infinity, to the areas outside the Solar System (The rest of the Universe).

No one cares what the Tau star system is called when you see the big picture. You keep throwing big words and using headcanon, and you're copy pasting what you already said because you don't have real evidence. You know damn well the Tau star system is not its own space-time continuum.

Nobody cares about what the Tau Star System is named... except you apparently:

Honestly I'm considering to make a downgrade revision thread when I have time.

There's nothing more than the Occam's razor at play here. Here's why

1. The name of the celestial structure is called the Tau star system

Claiming to use Occam's Razor while simultaneously dropped every other descriptor of it and using the name of it as an excuse doesn't save you from committing a Nominal Fallacy. Nice going forgetting to attack the argumentation as well, are you perhaps Avoiding The Issue?

You keep throwing big words and using headcanon, and you're copy pasting what you already said because you don't have real evidence.

I rewrote every single argument for the Tau Star System and summarized it. No copy pastes here! You made an irrelevant comparison to Powerscalers, begged the question 2 times in a row while complaining about how unbelievable our interpretation is, and making up a headcanon (well the death busters don't actually know about their world, why? trust me bro)... we are not the same. If anything you just described yourself.

You know damn well the Tau star system is not its own space-time continuum.

That's crazy but have you considered actually debunking this?

How can you even say that when it's tied to the galaxy cauldron? which as i've established, represents all the star seeds in the milky way? don't make it look bigger than it is. For someone who keeps accusing others of logical fallacies you're damn good at making them yourself.

Headcanon counter: 6
I wanna know what defunct translation you read of the manga that brought you to this conclusion. The Cauldron doesn't represent all Star Seeds, it creates them. Star Seeds are things that it makes that becomes things in the cosmology. Read the Eternal Edition sometime.
Nowhere is it implied that the Tau Star System is "tied" to the Cauldron, it originated from the Cauldron and was sent in the cosmology to grow. The Cauldron generated the Star Seed that grew into the Tau Star System, it's that simple.

Another Argument from Incredulity, you still have yet to prove how the Galaxy Cauldron correlates in any way to the size of the Universe. And you still haven't proved that the IRL Sagittarius Zero Star is the same thing as the fictional Sagittarius Zero Star. For someone accusing me of falsely accusing you of committing fallacies, you sure love avoiding engaging in honest discussion and stall on proving anything.

That endless graveyard does not exist. It is not even hinted at in the manga. It's a graveyard located in the middle of a star. If you honestly think that's infinite, please tell me where can I find infinite stars with a telescope. It's called endless because you can't see its limits with your eyes. It makes sense when you're in a forest and it takes quite a while to get through it. At one point you will say: "this forest is endless omg!"

Well obviously you're going to assume this, because you approach the statement with the belief that the Universe is positively not infinite instead of contextually older statements with new information. Let's think this through logically shall we?
There is an infinite universe. In this Universe we know there are extraterrestrial and otherworldly entities. Thus, if the Universe is infinite then there are an infinite amount of stars and living beings. Now, there is a fictional graveyard of Dead and Dying things. This graveyard is stated to go through an "Endless Funeral Procession" when processing every dead star. If there is Infinite life, there will be an infinite amount of dead things.

Good for you that you speak Japanese, but it doesn't make you special. Your interpretation is messed up because there is no correlation between the black crystal warping space time and the name of the location.

Never said I was special, you're just treating this as if I didn't have prior knowledge. Anywho enough of that
If you can warp and destroy Space-Time... what does that entail? That means Space-Time is ultimately meaningless to you. Wiseman created a separate dimension and JUST SO HAPPENED to have called it "The End of Space-Time" which fits with the fact that the Black Crystal can make space-time bend to its will at any time. Note that while Wiseman has repeatedly bragged about the Black Crystal's dominance over space-time, he demonstrated it when he warped/twisted space-time against Sailor Moon. Read the final act of Arc 2. He does some crazy shit there to kill her.

Is there anything else stating that his domain is somewhere at the end? Is there saying where this place is at all? Please let me know. All that we know is that it's a rando dimension that Wiseman created 'n customised.

Committing nominal fallacies when it suits you ain't gonna work buddy. You are being contradicted by your own scans. Also don't you see how the japanese word you mentioned has multiple meanings and you picked whatever suits you to make sailor moon bigger than it is?

The other meanings are, and I quote "extremity; limit" "Result; outcome; upshot; consequence"

• "The Extremity of Space-Time" "The Limit of Space-Time"

These are synonyms, you're claiming that I purposely chose a different word? Oh brother.

"You are being contradicted by your own scans."

^Proceeds to not elaborate on what scans contradict me.
Here's something you have yet to do:
Prove that Wiseman's Domain is the end all be all.

And if you did that, consider the following:
The amount of dimensions in the Multiverse doesn't matter because the Universe remains infinite regardless of the state of the other separate dimensions.

There is zero evidence that Setsuna being knowledgeable on the nature of the space-time rift and physics automatically proves that rift is endless and even more egregious, that it has anything to do with the center of the milky way. When you break it down you kinda see how ridiculous it sounds, but covering it up in flowery language and describing them with capitalized words isn't gonna work with the likes of me.

"There is zero evidence that the comments of the character who is associated with, is physically in tune with, and blatantly knowledgeable on a certain location... proves that the location has these properties"
Argument from Pigheadedness (yes this is a real fallacy, not an insult) and Avoiding The Issue. Oh and just so you know, this response is so poorly worded that I don't even know what this is responding to in the first place.

Everything comes from the Cauldron, this is repeatedly stated. The Star Seed for the Corridor grew into the Corridor, which comes from the Cauldron.
Remind me again how the size of the Rift is, in any way, relevant to the size of the Universe? Hope you know that it's established on the same chapter where this place is introduced that it's outside time and space entirely.

"When you break it down you kinda see how ridiculous it sounds, but covering it up in flowery language and describing them with capitalized words isn't gonna work with the likes of me."

Proceeds to not elaborate on why it is ridiculous, where the flowery language is and where the big scary capitalized words are. Starting to see a pattern here.

Please learn how cosmology works and how to describe it as shown by your own scans.

Please learn how to attack specific points in the argument and not make big accusations ^_^ seriously you have not provided a single coherent argument in this entire response.

edit: I just reviewed your "part of the Tau star system" argument and tbh you're just digging your own grave. That part is not infinitesimal, it's quite a big slice of the structure. You've just admitted with this very line that the Tau star system is not what you think it is. So in other words you're being contradicted by your own scans again. I hope you don't run away from this debate, because I'm curious to see more about the way you scale this verse.

The part I bolded is what you didn't prove or show a scan of. This is a recurring pattern with your posts. I know what the scans you are clinging onto are referring to because I read the Arc. You did not prove that the Tau Star System is truly finite because you used a visual showing part of it and not the actual structure itself.
You also ignored how this, in any way, relates to the size of the Universe.

edit 2: No one worth debating would summarize the for and against reasoning the way you did, your bias is very obvious and it shows. I also find it interesting that your self-confidence in maintaining your arguments is very high, but it's much easier to find flaws and holes in your logic than you think.

Everybody's biased. Except I'm explaining and providing evidence for my interpretation.
Your arguments bottle down to
"No this is not that, no you're wrong, no this random headcanon I thought of contradicts you, no this place is based on a real location, no this place exists, no you're just making stuff up and saying big words, and no I will not elaborate why it matters to the main contention"

you thought you were cooking with this one but your argument is just "well it's fiction anything can happen"

You thought you were cooking with this one but your argument is just "Well I can't believe this, so it must be wrong and I will bring up random facts to support the fact that this is unbelievable to me"

if you notice, the tone of your reasoning, and I'm speaking for all three of you, is suspiciously similar, while I have been able to come up with new ideas and arguments with every post. I wouldn't say "coming to tell us"... I'd say "coming to tell me". So you're now resorting to copy pasting because the cracks are opening. This post is another "well it's fiction anything can happen" but laid down in grandiose terms js.

Watch it, his first language isn't English. And slyly implying that we're alts because we "talk similar" doesn't help your case.

Conclusion
Stop being so dismissive of everything and clinging to your interpretations. It's not Reddit. Nobody is gonna doubt every syllable you use.

Respond with anything other than empirical evidence showing: correlation between fictional Sagittarius Zero Star/Milky Way and Infinite Universe, that the Tau Star System lives up to its name without using half-assed visuals, that the Uranus comparison is 100% positively just a metaphor and not noteworthy, that "warping space-time" has any correlation with the Universe, that the size of the Rift (Corridor) or Tau Star System has any impact on the size of the Universe ... and I might just stop wasting time on you.

 

[WeDrinkVodka]

Since you wanna be persistent I'll backtrack on my previous statement that I'll only copy and paste. I'll keep the previous count.

Good for you, unfortunately most of your arguments are irrelevant comparisons. You refuse to see the connections and cling to your own views.

I linked to logical fallacies in case anybody wanted to read the definitions and see if I'm wrong or not. If you got a problem with that, I do not care.

Nice Strawman, I didn't say the "lambda Constant" and "Haruka spreading her loneliness to infinity" (what even is this description lmfao this is NOT what I said) are the same or in a similar vein. What I said is that the Static Universe model that the Manga VERY CLEARLY follows explicitly mentions that the Universe is spatially and temporally infinite which fits in line with what Haruka's comparison between True Loneliness (Solitude) and the Universe is.

That descriptor was so poorly worded that I'll just repeat what Haruka was saying because you clearly want to avoid it and made up a weaker version of her statement.
Act 32; The Outer Sailor Guardians come back to aid the Prince and Princess. There is a lore drop of what exactly the Outer Sailor Guardians' purpose is.

Awareness check: The Outer Guardians are posted outside the Solar System far away. Their mission is to fend off potential invaders from the rest of the Universe. Something to note is that they are not together. They are posted far away from each other and they were not supposed to have met each other or Sailor Moon. They constantly face the outside of the Solar System (this is physically shown in the chapter btw) in order to identify threats, protecting the Solar System from outside.

Act 35; Outers and Inners are now working together to beat the Death Busters. 3 of the Outers are riding in an elevator with Sailor Moon, they have this conversation:

Now tell me Vodka, what does "where we came from" and "where you three were stationed" refer to?
If you answered "duh, the places where each Guardian was stationed at somewhere outside" you are absolutely correct. Now, what does Uranus compare using the word "Like" to what she deems as "True Solitude" (Solitude is the state of being alone) which she defined as extending to Infinity?
If you answered "Haruka is comparing her definition of real Solitude to the places (posts) where they oversee the Universe from" you are absolutely correct.

Now I know you probably already have a interpretation of this that matches your finite Universe agenda, but let's actually see what Haruka said. I strongly advise reading carefully, because it'll be cramped.
Sailor Moon states that she feels truly alone, scared and overwhelmed by a bad feeling. Haruka says that what she is feeling isn't what she deems as "Real Solitude". She says that the feeling of "Real Solitude" actually extends to infinity. Then Haruka states after saying that "Real Solitude" is something that extends to infinity that this concept is like where she and the Outers came from. Haruka is not talking about the feeling of being Alone here. Why? Because that question was never asked. Sailor Moon asks her right after this comparison on how it was like (Asking her how she felt) being there in those posts far away. Haruka then says that it was in fact lonely (which means she does consider it to be "Real Solitude") being stationed there.

What did Haruka do? She compared Real Solitude, a concept she thinks extends to infinity, to the areas outside the Solar System (The rest of the Universe).


Nobody cares about what the Tau Star System is named... except you apparently:

Claiming to use Occam's Razor while simultaneously dropped every other descriptor of it and using the name of it as an excuse doesn't save you from committing a Nominal Fallacy. Nice going forgetting to attack the argumentation as well, are you perhaps Avoiding The Issue?

I rewrote every single argument for the Tau Star System and summarized it. No copy pastes here! You made an irrelevant comparison to Powerscalers, begged the question 2 times in a row while complaining about how unbelievable our interpretation is, and making up a headcanon (well the death busters don't actually know about their world, why? trust me bro)... we are not the same. If anything you just described yourself.

That's crazy but have you considered actually debunking this?

Headcanon counter: 6
I wanna know what defunct translation you read of the manga that brought you to this conclusion. The Cauldron doesn't represent all Star Seeds, it creates them. Star Seeds are things that it makes that becomes things in the cosmology. Read the Eternal Edition sometime.
Nowhere is it implied that the Tau Star System is "tied" to the Cauldron, it originated from the Cauldron and was sent in the cosmology to grow. The Cauldron generated the Star Seed that grew into the Tau Star System, it's that simple.

Another Argument from Incredulity, you still have yet to prove how the Galaxy Cauldron correlates in any way to the size of the Universe. And you still haven't proved that the IRL Sagittarius Zero Star is the same thing as the fictional Sagittarius Zero Star. For someone accusing me of falsely accusing you of committing fallacies, you sure love avoiding engaging in honest discussion and stall on proving anything.

Well obviously you're going to assume this, because you approach the statement with the belief that the Universe is positively not infinite instead of contextually older statements with new information. Let's think this through logically shall we?
There is an infinite universe. In this Universe we know there are extraterrestrial and otherworldly entities. Thus, if the Universe is infinite then there are an infinite amount of stars and living beings. Now, there is a fictional graveyard of Dead and Dying things. This graveyard is stated to go through an "Endless Funeral Procession" when processing every dead star. If there is Infinite life, there will be an infinite amount of dead things.

Never said I was special, you're just treating this as if I didn't have prior knowledge. Anywho enough of that
If you can warp and destroy Space-Time... what does that entail? That means Space-Time is ultimately meaningless to you. Wiseman created a separate dimension and JUST SO HAPPENED to have called it "The End of Space-Time" which fits with the fact that the Black Crystal can make space-time bend to its will at any time. Note that while Wiseman has repeatedly bragged about the Black Crystal's dominance over space-time, he demonstrated it when he warped/twisted space-time against Sailor Moon. Read the final act of Arc 2. He does some crazy shit there to kill her.

Is there anything else stating that his domain is somewhere at the end? Is there saying where this place is at all? Please let me know. All that we know is that it's a rando dimension that Wiseman created 'n customised.

The other meanings are, and I quote "extremity; limit" "Result; outcome; upshot; consequence"

• "The Extremity of Space-Time" "The Limit of Space-Time"

These are synonyms, you're claiming that I purposely chose a different word? Oh brother.

^Proceeds to not elaborate on what scans contradict me.
Here's something you have yet to do:
Prove that Wiseman's Domain is the end all be all.

And if you did that, consider the following:
The amount of dimensions in the Multiverse doesn't matter because the Universe remains infinite regardless of the state of the other separate dimensions.


"There is zero evidence that the comments of the character who is associated with, is physically in tune with, and blatantly knowledgeable on a certain location... proves that the location has these properties"
Argument from Pigheadedness (yes this is a real fallacy, not an insult) and Avoiding The Issue. Oh and just so you know, this response is so poorly worded that I don't even know what this is responding to in the first place.

Everything comes from the Cauldron, this is repeatedly stated. The Star Seed for the Corridor grew into the Corridor, which comes from the Cauldron.
Remind me again how the size of the Rift is, in any way, relevant to the size of the Universe? Hope you know that it's established on the same chapter where this place is introduced that it's outside time and space entirely.

Proceeds to not elaborate on why it is ridiculous, where the flowery language is and where the big scary capitalized words are. Starting to see a pattern here.

Please learn how to attack specific points in the argument and not make big accusations ^_^ seriously you have not provided a single coherent argument in this entire response.

The part I bolded is what you didn't prove or show a scan of. This is a recurring pattern with your posts. I know what the scans you are clinging onto are referring to because I read the Arc. You did not prove that the Tau Star System is truly finite because you used a visual showing part of it and not the actual structure itself.
You also ignored how this, in any way, relates to the size of the Universe.


Everybody's biased. Except I'm explaining and providing evidence for my interpretation.
Your arguments bottle down to
"No this is not that, no you're wrong, no this random headcanon I thought of contradicts you, no this place is based on a real location, no this place exists, no you're just making stuff up and saying big words, and no I will not elaborate why it matters to the main contention"

You thought you were cooking with this one but your argument is just "Well I can't believe this, so it must be wrong and I will bring up random facts to support the fact that this is unbelievable to me"

Watch it, his first language isn't English. And slyly implying that we're alts because we "talk similar" doesn't help your case.

Conclusion
Stop being so dismissive of everything and clinging to your interpretations. It's not Reddit. Nobody is gonna doubt every syllable you use.

Respond with anything other than empirical evidence showing: correlation between fictional Sagittarius Zero Star/Milky Way and Infinite Universe, that the Tau Star System lives up to its name without using half-assed visuals, that the Uranus comparison is 100% positively just a metaphor and not noteworthy, that "warping space-time" has any correlation with the Universe, that the size of the Rift (Corridor) or Tau Star System has any impact on the size of the Universe ... and I might just stop wasting time on you.

look it's okay that you want to link to logical fallacies in a vacuum. But you're clearly trying to act like some sort of authority here.

Anyway: Haruka's statement and her description of their roles outside the solar system is unrelated to the nature of the sailor moon verse. she then makes a metaphor by saying "real solitude extends into infinity". Therefore that statement should be thrown out. Back to the nature of the universe, I can tell you based on your own cosmology analysis what the most reasonable size of the sm universe is, and it's 94 billion light years (just like our own). Not infinite.

The universe isn't temporally infinite either. Sailor Cosmos states that "your princess will return to the 30th century" implying it has an age of 2000 years. There's your contradiction on the time axis as well - the one brought up by you earlier when discussing character statements.

I'll let you know that in my opinion, when a japanese work declares something as infinite it's not something to be taken literally. There are some exceptions like Dragon Ball's world of void but here the corridor and even the way the cosmology is built and showcased is not properly explained. This explains why you're scrambling to gather info from all over the manga. Once you realize the five arcs are less interconnected than you make them look like, the cracks are showing.

Acts 32 and 35 therefore prove how the sailor moon verse is structured, and when backed up by the stars arc, you'll find yourself surprised to know it's not the way you think. I don't need sneaky emojis for this. 2000 years and (at least) 94 billion light years is much closer to what Naoko intended than infinite and infinite.

In regards to the Tau star system, you yourself are now falling victim to the nominal fallacy. You're claiming it's an universe but you're just ending up on the other side of the nominal fallacy. How can a star system be an universe? Oh right it can't. Last time I checked star systems don't have quasars, massive black holes etc. You then claim that they don't contradict each other so you're special pleading. Because duh this is sailor moon, it's fiction, of course it makes sense!

You then being up the eternal edition translation. This is irrelevant and I don't know why you're even so focused on it. It's a fan translation but approved by kodansha executives js. By the way, notice how your cosmology blog still makes references to miss dream translations. you sound like king james bible purists.

The Tau star system is tied to the cauldron because it's controlled by pharaoh 90, you know, the same manifestation of Chaos. Also even if it isn't, then you just proved that the tau star system is from another area of the universe, therefore implying there are other galaxy cauldrons besides the one from the milky way. Notice how I'm slowly breaking down your logic? You can't convince people that the center of a galaxy is actually the source of the entire universe.

You need to emphasize not copy pasting because half of your posts heavily rely on copy pasting. Meanwhile, I just type this from one or two shots, nothing more, because I don't need to research that much to point out how awful your arguments are when taking a closer look at the cosmology.

Fortunately the universe is not infinite, so that bolded part of yours about infinite life makes no sense. Even then, you're assuming that an infinite life source = infinite things but that's not how it works. It's another figure of speech you're taking literally. If I need to draw things to you, I'll do it. You can't fit an infinite graveyard into a finite star. It's basic logic.

Not everything comes from the cauldron and I'll show you why: the Tau star system ambiguity, Mamoru's parents, you know, Galaxia being born on "some planet", and everything outside the milky way.

And while we're at it, here's another hole in your logic: Queen Serenity being dead. you know what this implies? that by your logic, she would be reincarnated into the cauldron but that's not what happened. (please don't resort to special pleading about how NQS is actually QS reincarnated). So this is an important piece of evidence the cauldron cannot be infinite.

Please learn how to argue because pointing out random fallacies doesn't work long term. You're going in circles now because your ship is slowly falling apart if you ask me.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

And while we're at it, here's another hole in your logic: Queen Serenity being dead. you know what this implies? that by your logic, she would be reincarnated into the cauldron but that's not what happened. (please don't resort to special pleading about how NQS is actually QS reincarnated). So this is an important piece of evidence the cauldron cannot be infinite.

Bro.

 

[WeDrinkVodka]

Bro.

this doesn't prove anything. it just said her star seed returned to the cauldron. that's it.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

this doesn't prove anything. it just said her star seed returned to the cauldron. that's it.

It proves that what you said was wrong. Or are you going to backtrack and change your own argument? You yourself said that Queen Serenity being reincarnated in the cauldron would be proof that universe is infinite. (for whatever reason idk)

This debate is over.

 

[WeDrinkVodka]

It proves that what you said was wrong. Or are you going to backtrack and change your own argument? You yourself said that Queen Serenity being reincarnated in the cauldron would be proof that universe is infinite. (for whatever reason idk)

This debate is over.

well... she didn't reincarnate. That scan of yours doesn't prove anything.

Your own scan contradicts you. Notice how Guardian Cosmos talks about Queen Serenity using the past tense and basically implies her star seed no longer exists. Don't make up headcanon

Chaos is the only character that has ever shown that. You don't get to end debates when you want to lol

edit: @HenshinIntervention the Tau star system never had a star seed. it's never shown anywhere. This is headcanon.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Your own scan contradicts you. Notice how Guardian Cosmos talks about Queen Serenity using the past tense and basically implies her star seed no longer exists. Don't make up headcanon

It literally does not. Guardian Cosmos and Queen Serenity are both inside the cauldron.

I’ve already said this debate is over. You have again and again shown that you do not know anything about this series and are willfully being dishonest for some weird agenda.

This will be my last response to you.

 

[Violatas]

Lmao.
Ftr I helped with Sakura's side in that Moon Sakura blog linked earlier. Haven't heard any disagreements with what Sakura was given so far at least...

Was informed of the ongoing convo here.
I like how we even added a section going "btw this ain't an attack on anyone and if you disagree that's cool" and we're entirely open to counterarguments, and yet all the responses here are just "yeah they're dishonest" and "they lied" which??? when everyone who worked on it are all SM fans and hundreds of dollars were spent on the various arts posted to make it look as cool as possible. Hell, there were actually more SM fans on that than Cardcaptor lmao.

We don't particularly care if anyone disagrees with the verdict or what was given to either character, but frankly we're only discussing it with ya know... more reasonable people that don't act like their puppy was killed over a "my dad beats your dad" online debate.
All I had to say. So, peace

 

[WeDrinkVodka]

It literally does not. Guardian Cosmos and Queen Serenity are both inside the cauldron.

I’ve already said this debate is over. You have again and again shown that you do not know anything about this series and are willfully being dishonest for some weird agenda.

This will be my last response to you.

I don't know why your arguments are devolving into ad hominem attacks so soon.

Queen Serenity is not inside the cauldron. There is no scan in the manga that proves this. You are on the losing end of your argument with the reasoning presented so far.

I'm gathering data from this very thread to propose a Sailor Moon downgrade revision, so yeah

 

[WeDrinkVodka]

Lmao.
Ftr I helped with Sakura's side in that Moon Sakura blog linked earlier. Haven't heard any disagreements with what Sakura was given so far at least...

Was informed of the ongoing convo here.
I like how we even added a section going "btw this ain't an attack on anyone and if you disagree that's cool" and we're entirely open to counterarguments, and yet all the responses here are just "yeah they're dishonest" and "they lied" which??? when everyone who worked on it are all SM fans and hundreds of dollars were spent on the various arts posted to make it look as cool as possible. Hell, there were actually more SM fans on that than Cardcaptor lmao.

We don't particularly care if anyone disagrees with the verdict or what was given to either character, but frankly we're only discussing it with ya know... more reasonable people that don't act like their puppy was killed over a "my dad beats your dad" online debate.
All I had to say. So, peace

Hey man, really cool work. Ngl I feel really disappointed by the amount of ad hominem attacks, special pleading and irrelevant scans that have been thrown at me by the three speakers above throughout this whole conversation. Sailor Moon is a manga that has a lot of open interpretations, so being skeptical of any work you see is always a good thing! I'm glad I was the mature person in the room and even gathered additional data as a bonus.

will definitely check out that blog more when i get home

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Lmao.
Ftr I helped with Sakura's side in that Moon Sakura blog linked earlier. Haven't heard any disagreements with what Sakura was given so far at least...

Was informed of the ongoing convo here.
I like how we even added a section going "btw this ain't an attack on anyone and if you disagree that's cool" and we're entirely open to counterarguments, and yet all the responses here are just "yeah they're dishonest" and "they lied" which??? when everyone who worked on it are all SM fans and hundreds of dollars were spent on the various arts posted to make it look as cool as possible. Hell, there were actually more SM fans on that than Cardcaptor lmao.

We don't particularly care if anyone disagrees with the verdict or what was given to either character, but frankly we're only discussing it with ya know... more reasonable people that don't act like their puppy was killed over a "my dad beats your dad" online debate.
All I had to say. So, peace

It’s cool that you worked on the blog but the blog is still inaccurate and presents demonstrably false narratives about Sailor Moon. The supporters here all posted information and scans to prove their point, so we are not being unreasonable.

Queen Serenity is not inside the cauldron. There is no scan in the manga that proves this. You are on the losing end of your argument with the reasoning presented so far.

The scan I posted literally shows Queen Serenity in the cauldron. Good luck with those CRT threads, though.

 

[AsterReal]

Lmao.
Ftr I helped with Sakura's side in that Moon Sakura blog linked earlier. Haven't heard any disagreements with what Sakura was given so far at least...

Was informed of the ongoing convo here.
I like how we even added a section going "btw this ain't an attack on anyone and if you disagree that's cool" and we're entirely open to counterarguments, and yet all the responses here are just "yeah they're dishonest" and "they lied" which??? when everyone who worked on it are all SM fans and hundreds of dollars were spent on the various arts posted to make it look as cool as possible. Hell, there were actually more SM fans on that than Cardcaptor lmao.

We don't particularly care if anyone disagrees with the verdict or what was given to either character, but frankly we're only discussing it with ya know... more reasonable people that don't act like their puppy was killed over a "my dad beats your dad" online debate.
All I had to say. So, peace

Honestly, you've been better than DrinkVodka. So it's ok. Sakura's part for me is well done anyway, but I must admit that the blog is really hard to read because of so many high quality gif.

 

[AsterReal]

look it's okay that you want to link to logical fallacies in a vacuum. But you're clearly trying to act like some sort of authority here.

Anyway: Haruka's statement and her description of their roles outside the solar system is unrelated to the nature of the sailor moon verse. she then makes a metaphor by saying "real solitude extends into infinity". Therefore that statement should be thrown out. Back to the nature of the universe, I can tell you based on your own cosmology analysis what the most reasonable size of the sm universe is, and it's 94 billion light years (just like our own). Not infinite.

The universe isn't temporally infinite either. Sailor Cosmos states that "your princess will return to the 30th century" implying it has an age of 2000 years. There's your contradiction on the time axis as well - the one brought up by you earlier when discussing character statements.

I'll let you know that in my opinion, when a japanese work declares something as infinite it's not something to be taken literally. There are some exceptions like Dragon Ball's world of void but here the corridor and even the way the cosmology is built and showcased is not properly explained. This explains why you're scrambling to gather info from all over the manga. Once you realize the five arcs are less interconnected than you make them look like, the cracks are showing.

Acts 32 and 35 therefore prove how the sailor moon verse is structured, and when backed up by the stars arc, you'll find yourself surprised to know it's not the way you think. I don't need sneaky emojis for this. 2000 years and (at least) 94 billion light years is much closer to what Naoko intended than infinite and infinite.

In regards to the Tau star system, you yourself are now falling victim to the nominal fallacy. You're claiming it's an universe but you're just ending up on the other side of the nominal fallacy. How can a star system be an universe? Oh right it can't. Last time I checked star systems don't have quasars, massive black holes etc. You then claim that they don't contradict each other so you're special pleading. Because duh this is sailor moon, it's fiction, of course it makes sense!

You then being up the eternal edition translation. This is irrelevant and I don't know why you're even so focused on it. It's a fan translation but approved by kodansha executives js. By the way, notice how your cosmology blog still makes references to miss dream translations. you sound like king james bible purists.

The Tau star system is tied to the cauldron because it's controlled by pharaoh 90, you know, the same manifestation of Chaos. Also even if it isn't, then you just proved that the tau star system is from another area of the universe, therefore implying there are other galaxy cauldrons besides the one from the milky way. Notice how I'm slowly breaking down your logic? You can't convince people that the center of a galaxy is actually the source of the entire universe.

You need to emphasize not copy pasting because half of your posts heavily rely on copy pasting. Meanwhile, I just type this from one or two shots, nothing more, because I don't need to research that much to point out how awful your arguments are when taking a closer look at the cosmology.

Fortunately the universe is not infinite, so that bolded part of yours about infinite life makes no sense. Even then, you're assuming that an infinite life source = infinite things but that's not how it works. It's another figure of speech you're taking literally. If I need to draw things to you, I'll do it. You can't fit an infinite graveyard into a finite star. It's basic logic.

Not everything comes from the cauldron and I'll show you why: the Tau star system ambiguity, Mamoru's parents, you know, Galaxia being born on "some planet", and everything outside the milky way.

And while we're at it, here's another hole in your logic: Queen Serenity being dead. you know what this implies? that by your logic, she would be reincarnated into the cauldron but that's not what happened. (please don't resort to special pleading about how NQS is actually QS reincarnated). So this is an important piece of evidence the cauldron cannot be infinite.

Please learn how to argue because pointing out random fallacies doesn't work long term. You're going in circles now because your ship is slowly falling apart if you ask me.

Well, if the translation of the Eternal Edition seems to you to be fan-made (even if you don't give any proof of it), what translation do you use? Because the Eternal Edition is an official translation licensed by Kodansha.