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This thread will cover Gnosticism in the briefest manners. Gnosticism emerged in the early sects during the very early centuries as far back as the 1st CE. To put it simply it is the collection of many teachings, philosophies, and spiritual teachings that range from the Greco-Roman to Christ's death. Obviously, its not limited to those two times but those are the most prominent things and the list of what philosophies it includes is a lot. Gnosis means “knowledge” in Latin and that's embodied as Sophia, the Aeon(This varies depending on which version of the Gnostic teaching you read), and that is the universal truth in which the world runs.
So, the purpose of this thread is to help simplify verses that rely on a Gnostic background to tier it based on a few versions and applying to the verse in question based on the setting and context of the verse.
0(Fullness/Infinity): Verses that has this “Monad” or “The Good” would be 0, if:
Example 2: The Great White Light is the absolute infinity that sits above and beyond all things. Being the one true God that is the ground of all being.
Now, obviously my example up top does not cover all things needed for 0. For example, in the Gospel of John in the Gnostic bible. The One is said to be:
High 1-A+(Possibly necessary and exists within all things): If Monad is described as the most indivisible point fixed in all things, then it exists contegient in all things but also in an established framework of which it exists at the apex of the hierarchy:
Example 2: The next example is from DC Comics called “The Sea of Brahma.” This is the ocean of nothingness and the unconscious of God, which is the source of all duality, plurality, division, and Creation. The eternal and endless sea of eternity exist beyond all levels of reality, dreams, and illusion, and is the cosmic emptiness that connects to the absolute nature of God.
Verses that has Gnosticism to connect High 1-A+ structure includes the likes of World of Darkness. In which Sophia is of the Supernal. The Supernal being the pure spirit in which all is one to unify and dissolve in this place beyond all time, space, and all extensions of the consensus hierarchy.
The ground for the Supernal and Pralaya not being 0 is because they are surpassed by a “stronger” being, the former is surpassed by the Essential Divinity, and the latter by the Smile Behind the Universe.
1-A(Flase Monadhood):
If a Monad is proven to be somewhat not totally described as above and its transcendence is only within a framework in which their existence is ontological only to a sort of base reality.
Example: There’s no real good example. So I guess Arceus counts as having fallen from grounds to become 0.
High 1-A: Aeons that are on this level transcend the framework of the hierarchy below it as such completely living in their own world that's beyond the quality of hierarchies below in a sort of meta-transcendence.
Example: Aeons from Doctor Strange: Fall Sunrise are children of Bythos and Sophia. They maintain the creation of all the physical reality and are part of a grander design that can exist in an eternal realm of both shapes and ideas that permeates everything.
(The story is not canon to the main Marvel Universe, but obviously, that's no fun. Also, I couldn't think of any other example, lolz)
1-A: Aeons on this level transcend the reality of material composition.
Example: Non-existent.
Low 1-A: Nah
Example: Non-existent.
1-B: Nah
Example: Something.
High 1-A: Beings on these level transcend and exist external to any function of hierarchy below them as such can account for hierarchy of quality in which “quality” they occupy is an applicant to a meta-transcendence unique to their level.
Example: Michael Demiurgos from DC Comics is a prime example. He is called the Demiurge/Archon and alongside his demiurgic brothers which one of them is called “Samael” made the Universe. It was referenced the lore behind the Sandman Universe is that people believe in the second-century Gnostics teaching that Angels built the heavens and the earth.
1-A: Demiurges and/or Archons on this level are the sustainers and/or creator of the material Universe in which they conceptually stand above in their ontological existence.
Example: Owne Reece, the Molecule Man, rebooted the 8th Cosmos and was the Demiurge of the Multiverse after rebuilding it after the events of Secret Wars(2015).
Low 1-A: Nah
Example: Non-existent.
Low 1-C: Nah
Example: Non-existent.
2-A: Non-existent.
For the tiers that are left incomplete, you can fill it in by giving me profiles that can work. They can be a proxy/quasi-equivalent, they don't have to be mentioned by a Gnostic name.
So, the purpose of this thread is to help simplify verses that rely on a Gnostic background to tier it based on a few versions and applying to the verse in question based on the setting and context of the verse.
The Good:
The Good, monad, or anything along the the lines is a transcendent being that is distinct from gods. This is borrowed heavily from Greek philosophy about the simplest point, the Monad.0(Fullness/Infinity): Verses that has this “Monad” or “The Good” would be 0, if:
- The Monad being the simplest point is described as which it is fixed within itself. The term “Pleroma” means the “fullness” of the indivisible father and the true God.
Example 2: The Great White Light is the absolute infinity that sits above and beyond all things. Being the one true God that is the ground of all being.
Now, obviously my example up top does not cover all things needed for 0. For example, in the Gospel of John in the Gnostic bible. The One is said to be:
- The One is a sovereign in which nothing rules over it and has nothing over it.
- The One is God and Father of all, the invisible one that is over all, that’s incorruptible, that is pure light that no gaze can look upon.
- The invisible spirit that is not god or like a god in which it is greater than god(lower-case lesser gods). It has nothing over it and no lord above it. It does not exist in anything inferior to it(fixed in itself). Everything exists in it alone. It is eternal, never lacked anything in order to be complete, and it is absolutely complete in its light.
- The One is illimitable, since there is nothing before it to limit it.
- The One is unfathomable, since there's nothing before it to fathom it.
- The One is immeasurable, since there was nothing before it to measure it.
- The One is invisible because nothing has seen it.
- It is eternal since it exists eternally.
- It is unutterable, since nothing could comprehend it to utter it.
- The One is unnamable, since there is nothing before it to give it a name.
- The One is immeasurable light, pure, holy, immaculate. It is not part of perfection or blessedness, or divinity: it is much greater.
- The One is not corporeal or incorporeal.
- The One is not large or small.
- The One exists beyond finite category.
- It exists beyond finite cateorgy because to call it anything is to draw a comparison.
High 1-A+(Possibly necessary and exists within all things): If Monad is described as the most indivisible point fixed in all things, then it exists contegient in all things but also in an established framework of which it exists at the apex of the hierarchy:
- 0 is fixed in itself while High 1-A+ is fixed within things, but both are completely unbound by any sort of division of hierarchy. The former exists purely as the ontological ground of being beyond any hierarchy while the latter exists within all things, but also is the source of all the possible things for things to be necessary or things to be contingent upon it.
Example 2: The next example is from DC Comics called “The Sea of Brahma.” This is the ocean of nothingness and the unconscious of God, which is the source of all duality, plurality, division, and Creation. The eternal and endless sea of eternity exist beyond all levels of reality, dreams, and illusion, and is the cosmic emptiness that connects to the absolute nature of God.
Verses that has Gnosticism to connect High 1-A+ structure includes the likes of World of Darkness. In which Sophia is of the Supernal. The Supernal being the pure spirit in which all is one to unify and dissolve in this place beyond all time, space, and all extensions of the consensus hierarchy.
The ground for the Supernal and Pralaya not being 0 is because they are surpassed by a “stronger” being, the former is surpassed by the Essential Divinity, and the latter by the Smile Behind the Universe.
1-A(Flase Monadhood):
If a Monad is proven to be somewhat not totally described as above and its transcendence is only within a framework in which their existence is ontological only to a sort of base reality.
Example: There’s no real good example. So I guess Arceus counts as having fallen from grounds to become 0.
Aeons:
Aeons are attributes of the One. Living in the spiritual reality beyond the material world and watching from above.High 1-A: Aeons that are on this level transcend the framework of the hierarchy below it as such completely living in their own world that's beyond the quality of hierarchies below in a sort of meta-transcendence.
Example: Aeons from Doctor Strange: Fall Sunrise are children of Bythos and Sophia. They maintain the creation of all the physical reality and are part of a grander design that can exist in an eternal realm of both shapes and ideas that permeates everything.
(The story is not canon to the main Marvel Universe, but obviously, that's no fun. Also, I couldn't think of any other example, lolz)
1-A: Aeons on this level transcend the reality of material composition.
Example: Non-existent.
Low 1-A: Nah
Example: Non-existent.
1-B: Nah
Example: Something.
Demiurge and Archons:
Sometimes it's called Yaldabaoth, Samael, and whatnot. Although Platonism was tame in their interpretation of this craftsman. In Gnosticism, for the most part, it is a lesser deity and malevolent spirit, whom is prideful, arrogant, and ignorant. Child of Sophia and leader of the Archons signifies in Gnostics as a deity responsible for the creation of the material world from the ideas of Pleroma and the eternal ideas of the spiritual realm.High 1-A: Beings on these level transcend and exist external to any function of hierarchy below them as such can account for hierarchy of quality in which “quality” they occupy is an applicant to a meta-transcendence unique to their level.
Example: Michael Demiurgos from DC Comics is a prime example. He is called the Demiurge/Archon and alongside his demiurgic brothers which one of them is called “Samael” made the Universe. It was referenced the lore behind the Sandman Universe is that people believe in the second-century Gnostics teaching that Angels built the heavens and the earth.
1-A: Demiurges and/or Archons on this level are the sustainers and/or creator of the material Universe in which they conceptually stand above in their ontological existence.
Example: Owne Reece, the Molecule Man, rebooted the 8th Cosmos and was the Demiurge of the Multiverse after rebuilding it after the events of Secret Wars(2015).
Low 1-A: Nah
Example: Non-existent.
Low 1-C: Nah
Example: Non-existent.
2-A: Non-existent.
For the tiers that are left incomplete, you can fill it in by giving me profiles that can work. They can be a proxy/quasi-equivalent, they don't have to be mentioned by a Gnostic name.
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