Raiden (Metal Gear) vs Ban (Nanatsu no Taizai)

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Raiden

Vs

Ban

Rules:

1 - Ban Pre-Purgatory key will be used

2 - Raiden Metal Gear Rising (Custom Cyborg Body) key will be used

3 - Both 7-B

4 - Speed Equalized

5 - Battle took place in Badlands of Colorado

Raiden: 1 (@Ebihara)

Ban: 1 (@Demon_Lord18)

 

[Ebihara]

i was concnred if raiden could kill ban but would

• Durability Negation, Matter Manipulation & Vibration Manipulation (Quantum; With HF Blades, which can disrupt atoms by creating quantum decoherences at the plank scale, shrinking their electron clouds)

do it?

if so I think has got it with blade mode being such a speed amp people look slow mo. and or ripper mode as well.

i dont know how bans powers work so i wont vote till i hear about that but leaning towards raiden atm.

 

[Robo432343]

raiden has a 10x speed amp

 

[Ebihara]

oh ya ill vote raiden then, the are going to cut ban up

 

[Majinere566]

What is raiden’s answer to getting his heart ripped out from a distance?

 

[Ebihara]

What is raiden’s answer to getting his heart ripped out from a distance?

at this point he is a full cyborg, it says that cyborgs can go a long time without needing to breathe and have an oxygen tank for there blood, so not sure what internals he still has if any? Probaly somthing he could still snatch. how does it work? he has wayyyy more then enough range to do it at sba starting distance, how fast does it activate? just like a hand motion or passive?

 

[Majinere566]

at this point he is a full cyborg, it says that cyborgs can go a long time without needing to breathe and have an oxygen tank for there blood, so not sure what internals he still has if any? Probaly somthing he could still snatch. how does it work? he has wayyyy more then enough range to do it at sba starting distance, how fast does it activate? just like a hand motion or passive?

Snatch has a Hundred meters range. It’s almost instantaneous once he decides what to steal etc, he can also steal bunch of stuff including weapons Raiden uses

 

[Chariot190]

What is raiden’s answer to getting his heart ripped out from a distance?

The fact he doesn't have one.

Snatch has a Hundred meters range. It’s almost instantaneous once he decides what to steal etc, he can also steal bunch of stuff including weapons Raiden uses

If they start that far apart Raiden's going to be speed amping, stealthing (in which case this is an instant loss, Ban ain't finding out where he went, ever, nor can he prevent it), or spamming things like CNT rockets and various projectiles as he bridges the gap.
Inversely though, Raiden resists all his own equipment, so stealing it actually isn't that useful, especially given it isn't like he only has one of each duraneg thing, take one, he whips out another and not like Ban can steal it all at once, if he even knows he has that shit. For the record, Raiden also has some wild electricity and stun hax, with and without weapons. One of his baby nonlethal weapons is like 2 million volts, and he himself can generate stronger electricity infused sonic booms.
Now, idk much about how he fights later, because I like, dropped that shit hard, but Ban based on the first bit I've seen is def a CQC fighter, I doubt he's gonna be leading with snatch before he realizes he has to.

 

[Arkansalter2]

What can Raiden do about Mid-High regen?

 

[Chariot190]

What can Raiden do about Mid-High regen?

Funny beat stick go bzzzttttt which he lacks res to. Easy incap.

And honestly? Just keep cutting till he stays down, might take a few fucktrillion swings, but each cut is slicing him apart at the planck scale, and Raiden can already cut people into paste in what is less than a second from their pov due to Blade Mode. Hell every boss is followed by ascripted instance.

 

[Majinere566]

What even is the starting distance?

 

[Ebihara]

What even is the starting distance?

its not listed so sba
The characters start as far away from each other as the highest range of the fighters is, but a maximum of 4 kilometers

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/S...ions#:~:text=Starting distance:,in the thread.

 

[Majinere566]

So they both should start at a Hundred Meters, since both characters have a Hundred Meters range

 

[Chariot190]

Tbh I thought we were changing that, down to like, the exact opposite of that.

Tho it being far beyond CQC distance is secretly the best option for Raiden given it just means he's going stealth mode which is instant win where if he started close he'd probably actually fight.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

The fact he doesn't have one.

So, it doesn’t have anything supplying energy to the rest of the body?

Voting for Ban, he has a better chance of winning here.

Ban can rip off any part of his opponent's body.

Metal Gear cannot bypass Ban's immortality to land a shot, so after the first attack, Metal Gear wouldn't be able to do anything else because Ban would have already completely stolen its strength and speed. In fact, he stole Galand's strength and speed in just a few seconds, which were millions of times greater than his own; Metal Gear's would not be a problem. Additionally, Ban could steal Metal Gear's strength even while being attacked, making it impossible for it to escape from this situation.

Ban can also hide his presence with Zero Sign.

 

[Chariot190]

So, it doesn’t have anything supplying energy to the rest of the body?

Electrolytes.

Voting for Ban, he has a better chance of winning here.

best not be the reasoning you just gave.

Ban can rip off any part of his opponent's body.

He's being blitzed 10x over. If Raiden goes stealth, Ban would never find him nor where he went while Raiden dips in and out of combat.

Metal Gear cannot bypass Ban's immortality to land a shot, so after the first attack, Metal Gear wouldn't be able to do anything else because Ban would have already completely stolen its strength and speed.

Except he's 10x quicker, can statue him, and attack, leave, and figure out a solution.

He can literally smack him once with the Fox Blade, keep on shredding him with his atomic scale slashes till he's such a fine paste he can't come back from it given his regen is simply blood level or ash (which is pretty chunky compared to the scale a HF works on), or just use one of his many canonical incap options that Ban has no resistance toward that can knock people out for ages.

In fact, he stole Galand's strength and speed in just a few seconds, which were millions of times greater than his own; Metal Gear's would not be a problem. Additionally, Ban could steal Metal Gear's strength even while being attacked, making it impossible for it to escape from this situation.

Raiden's good shit has nothing to do with his own stats, and how is he doing that if he doesn't know where he is?
And I'd like proof he can do that to a robot, Raiden's strength and stats don't come from a living body or abstract life force or energy, it's all mechanical. Would be like saying Ban could steal the power from the planet's rotation or the sun or something.

Ban can also hide his presence with Zero Sign.

Not from Raiden he can't, dude is actual layers above that type of shit. A LITERAL blind fodder in the MGS stealth chain can sense someone who can do that. Anyone who can sense Mantis is on like 4 layers. His multi-km AR sensors that scan everything in that vicinity would also negate that.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Except he's 10x quicker, can statue him, and attack, leave, and figure out a solution.

He can literally smack him once with the Fox Blade, keep on shredding him with his atomic scale slashes till he's such a fine paste he can't come back from it given his regen is simply blood level or ash (which is pretty chunky compared to the scale a HF works on), or just use one of his many canonical incap options that Ban has no resistance toward that can knock people out for ages.

Galand was fast enough to blitz Ban and still had his power stolen. When attacking Ban, Rainda would also have their strength stolen, just like Meliodas.

Raiden's good shit has nothing to do with his own stats, and how is he doing that if he doesn't know where he is?
And I'd like proof he can do that to a robot, Raiden's strength and stats don't come from a living body or abstract life force or energy, it's all mechanical. Would be like saying Ban could steal the power from the planet's rotation or the sun or something.

He literally doesn't need to see who he's stealing strength from...

I mean... Something mechanical needs some kind of energy to function.

Not from Raiden he can't, dude is actual layers above that type of shit. A LITERAL blind fodder in the MGS stealth chain can sense someone who can do that. Anyone who can sense Mantis is on like 4 layers. His multi-km AR sensors that scan everything in that vicinity would also negate that.

These layers are so real that they're not even in Rainde's profile; they must exist at a degree of reality beyond ours.

 

[Chariot190]

Galand was fast enough to blitz Ban and still had his power stolen. When attacking Ban, Rainda would also have their strength stolen, just like Meliodas.

You kind of missed the part where Raiden is going to be dipping in and out of combat.
Also a 10x speed gap is massive, Raiden literally statues people with it and slashes them thousands of times and does cool acrobatics, before they can literally blink.
Which is a hell of a lot more thn 10x now that I think about it but that's what the statement says).

He literally doesn't need to see who he's stealing strength from...

Based on what? Prove it. How can he steal something if he doesn't know where it is. How's he targeting it?

I mean... Something mechanical needs some kind of energy to function.

So you don't have any proof? Why didn't Ban just steal the energy of the sun then? Nuclear fusion to function, why not steal that? Evidently there's a limit to what he can steal from. Prove it, prove he can steal things that don't have life force, energy, or whatever, Non-living things.
Otherwise not gonna fly.

These layers are so real that they're not even in Rainde's profile; they must exist at a degree of reality beyond ours.

You being ignorant ain't my issue, MGS is still being overhauled, but goddamn if everyone doesn't know they have good stealth, and Raiden scales to dudes like Big Boss and Snake who have enhanced senses for good reason. This also double doesn't matter, because it is listed (just very poorly), part of why he has Info analysis and enhanced senses. If need be I will post relevant scans.

Also, he has info analysis.

 

[speedster352]

You kind of missed the part where Raiden is going to be dipping in and out of combat.
Also a 10x speed gap is massive, Raiden literally statues people with it and slashes them thousands of times and does cool acrobatics, before they can literally blink.
Which is a hell of a lot more thn 10x now that I think about it but that's what the statement says).


Based on what? Prove it. How can he steal something if he doesn't know where it is. How's he targeting it?

So you don't have any proof? Why didn't Ban just steal the energy of the sun then? Nuclear fusion to function, why not steal that? Evidently there's a limit to what he can steal from. Prove it, prove he can steal things that don't have life force, energy, or whatever, Non-living things.
Otherwise not gonna fly.

You being ignorant ain't my issue, MGS is still being overhauled, but goddamn if everyone doesn't know they have good stealth, and Raiden scales to dudes like Big Boss and Snake who have enhanced senses for good reason. This also double doesn't matter, because it is listed (just very poorly), part of why he has Info analysis and enhanced senses. If need be I will post relevant scans.

Also, he has info analysis.

Ban has Zero sign he can also use stealth. Hunter fest can steal the physical stats of any living thing in a large radius it’s on his profile. Again Ban regeneration is very op even with his body eviscerated reduced to ashes and smoke he came back just reducing him to paste wouldn't be enough.

 

[Chariot190]

Ban has Zero sign he can also use stealth.

Yeah and so can the most fodder MG goon ever.

I don't think you realize that the bottom of the MGS stealth chain involves people that can delete their presence, have superhuman senses, can even control their weight, mass, chi, to avoid detection and being tracked all, literally become invisible on multiple spectrums as well as completely intangible, and a bunch of other shit, and they're fodder. Snake, Big Boss, Venom Snake, Ocelot, Liquid, and Raiden can all effortlessly pick up on them, and moreover their stealth eclipses them. It doesn't matter if you can sense dudes via some abstract life force bullshit, or pick up on slight shifts in the atmosphere or air pressure, none of this helps.

Furthermore, Raiden has built in scanners that scan everything within like a 1-4km radius through echolocation, bio-energy (this is actually legit look up), bio-electric fields, electrical activity, sound, infrared, and like twenty other types of sensors that cover so much shit that there's not a chance in hell Ban is escaping every method of detection, all while painting a 3D map of everything, telling him everything's exact position, distance to them, and even their movement in real time.

Hunter fest can steal the physical stats of any living thing in a large radius it’s on his profile.

Yeah and Raiden's strength comes from robotics, see the issue? You just proved it wouldn't work. His strength isn't coming from a living thing. Literally 98% of his ass is inorganic.

Again Ban regeneration is very op even with his body eviscerated reduced to ashes and smoke he came back just reducing him to paste wouldn't be enough.

"he can effect things on a quantum plank scale". That's literally trillions of times above his regen, the only caveat is that Raiden would have to sit there and keep at it till he's uniformly shredded to that degree (but given his stamina this would be easy).

That or like, poke him one time with one of his many incap weapons which he has zero resistance toward. Funny bzzzt stick is gonna put Ban on his ass for a day or two.

 

[speedster352]

Yeah and so can the most fodder MG goon ever.

I don't think you realize that the bottom of the MGS stealth chain involves people that can delete their presence, have superhuman senses, can even control their weight, mass, chi, to avoid detection and being tracked all, literally become invisible on multiple spectrums as well as completely intangible, and a bunch of other shit, and they're fodder. Snake, Big Boss, Venom Snake, Ocelot, Liquid, and Raiden can all effortlessly pick up on them, and moreover their stealth eclipses them. It doesn't matter if you can sense dudes via some abstract life force bullshit, or pick up on slight shifts in the atmosphere or air pressure, none of this helps.

Furthermore, Raiden has built in scanners that scan everything within like a 1-4km radius through echolocation, bio-energy (this is actually legit look up), bio-electric fields, electrical activity, sound, infrared, and like twenty other types of sensors that cover so much shit that there's not a chance in hell Ban is escaping every method of detection, all while painting a 3D map of everything, telling him everything's exact position, distance to them, and even their movement in real time.

Yeah and Raiden's strength comes from robotics, see the issue? You just proved it wouldn't work. His strength isn't coming from a living thing. Literally 98% of his ass is inorganic.

"he can effect things on a quantum plank scale". That's literally trillions of times above his regen, the only caveat is that Raiden would have to sit there and keep at it till he's uniformly shredded to that degree (but given his stamina this would be easy).

That or like, poke him one time with one of his many incap weapons which he has zero resistance toward. Funny bzzzt stick is gonna put Ban on his ass for a day or two.

Now that you mention it hunter fest worked on Galand who has a strange physiology he is body might just be his armor meaning that he is mostly inorganic and hunter fest still worked on him. This is just speculation but wouldn’t that apply here? Also snatch can keep someone in place for a bit like it did for Guila, Ban has higher ls if he uses snatch he would be able to keep him in place an attack. Also he doesn’t have regeneration negation just slashing him with a quantum sword might not do the trick if there is a part of Ban remaining he would come back.

 

[Chariot190]

Now that you mention it hunter fest worked on Galand who has a strange physiology he is body might just be his armor meaning that he is mostly inorganic and hunter fest still worked on him. This is just speculation but wouldn’t that apply here?

No why would it? Why did it work? You're not giving me any reason to believe it would.

Why doesn't Ban use it on other shit if it works on literally anything? Why doesn't he just take the energy of the earth to buff himself if anything fair game? The weather? Air?

Is it because it only works on living things as you yourself stated? If that's the case why does it work? Is he draining like some sort of abstract life energy? If that's the case it doesn't matter what Galand is, because that wouldn't apply to Raiden who's whole body isn't actually him, he's just a brain in a jar. Like cool you took that thing's stats, you now got 10-C energy tacked on to your own.

I need to see him take the energy of a completely inorganic, non-living thing before saying he could take the energy of what is essentially hydraulics.

Also snatch can keep someone in place for a bit like it did for Guila, Ban has higher ls if he uses snatch he would be able to keep him in place an attack.

10x speed amp and stealth that eclipses anything Ban has ever seen means he ain't gonna know when to use it, where to use it, and what he's even targeting.

Also he doesn’t have regeneration negation just slashing him with a quantum sword might not do the trick if there is a part of Ban remaining he would come back.

Except Raiden is 10x quicker, has almost limitless stamina, has info analysis, and his weapons very much do cut on a scale sufficient enough. It'd be a pain in the ass, but he could do it.

That or, he pokes him once with one of the many incap weapons and wins via standard incap because Ban lacks res to any of them.

 

[Makai641001]

You kind of missed the part where Raiden is going to be dipping in and out of combat.
Also a 10x speed gap is massive, Raiden literally statues people with it and slashes them thousands of times and does cool acrobatics, before they can literally blink.
Which is a hell of a lot more thn 10x now that I think about it but that's what the statement says).

Blade Mode only lasts a small amount of time and is most effectively used in short bursts while a target cannot retaliate.

Snatch is way faster than Ban and magically locates and take body parts weapons etc…

Being faster wouldn’t do shit

Based on what? Prove it. How can he steal something if he doesn't know where it is. How's he targeting it?

When Raiden pops back in the fight

So you don't have any proof? Why didn't Ban just steal the energy of the sun then? Nuclear fusion to function, why not steal that? Evidently there's a limit to what he can steal from. Prove it, prove he can steal things that don't have life force, energy, or whatever, Non-living things.
Otherwise not gonna fly.

He can steal any living being it won’t work for Raiden due to his composition but he can amp from nature itself iirc

Why doesn't Ban use it on other shit if it works on literally anything? Why doesn't he just take the energy of the earth to buff himself if anything fair game? The weather? Air?

NNT characters can amp themselves with natural elements in the form of enchantments

Ban can use anything alive in a certain radius

Is it because it only works on living things as you yourself stated? If that's the case why does it work? Is he draining like some sort of abstract life energy? If that's the case it doesn't matter what Galand is, because that wouldn't apply to Raiden who's whole body isn't actually him, he's just a brain in a jar. Like cool you took that thing's stats, you now got 10-C energy tacked on to your own.

You’re a bit haughty

I need to see him take the energy of a completely inorganic, non-living thing before saying he could take the energy of what is essentially hydraulics.

10x speed amp and stealth that eclipses anything Ban has ever seen means he ain't gonna know when to use it, where to use it, and what he's even targeting.

Raiden has no way to incap lol when he pops out of stealth mode he’ll get his brain snatched

Except Raiden is 10x quicker,

In very short bursts

has almost limitless stamina,

Ban has limitless stamina

has info analysis,

Won’t really help

and his weapons very much do cut on a scale sufficient enough. It'd be a pain in the ass, but he could do it.

No.
When he entered Purgatory Ban started walking and fighting against purgatory beasts while getting burned to ash froze to death electrocuted dissolved by poison etc… he was constantly dying, but could fight his way through.

Just slashing him won’t avoid his ahh to snatch raiden to pieces of metal.

That or, he pokes him once with one of the many incap weapons and wins via standard incap because Ban lacks res to any of them.

The only incap you talked about is electricity.

BOS sins resists Gilthunder’s natural lightnings to the point of mostly no selling incap effects.

Ban would be able to tank 2 million volts since natural lightnings are around 100 Millions to a billion volts

Ban resists paralysis inducement

Stop acting like blade mode is a constant amp

Stop acting like it’s a stomp, or if it is and ban has no way of winning this Then ask for this to be closed.
That’s not my opinion I think Ban’s win cons are way better since he wouldn’t need DAYS to kill Raiden

 

[Chariot190]

Snatch is way faster than Ban and magically locates and take body parts weapons etc…

"Magically" locate isn't good enough. And you're acting like it's passive? He still has to decide to do it.

As an fyi, speed equal prevents anything from being faster than the opposing character who would normally be faster, fortunately, Raiden just got a MFTL+ calc done.

Being faster wouldn’t do shit

Literally statuing him.

When Raiden pops back in the fight

And how would he know? He's being statued and would vanish again before he even knew what happened?

He can steal any living being it won’t work for Raiden due to his composition but he can amp from nature itself iirc

So it's useless then?

NNT characters can amp themselves with natural elements in the form of enchantments

That and this evidently are not the same thing. they're not even listed under the same thing.

Ban can use anything alive in a certain radius

And yet Raiden's power stems from inorganic physiology and mechanics.

You’re a bit haughty

And you're a bit annoying, either prove it or don't instead of resorting to backhanded remarks.

Raiden has no way to incap lol when he pops out of stealth mode he’ll get his brain snatched

Ok, so where's Ban's resistance to Raiden's funny stun rods that upscale lightning? Because I'm not seeing that on the profile.

Actually a better question would be has Ban ever done that? How would Ban even know? If he steals his heart, and he gets a piece of metal, why assume Raiden is a cyborg, would he even know what a cyborg is? Why wouldn't he assume he's just some mechanical golem or something?

In very short bursts

Except wrong, we've had this CRT like 5 times. Ripper Mode is accepted as permanent when activated based on multiple statements and scripted fights.

Ban has limitless stamina

And? He's also the dude being rendered into a subatomic paste by a dude who's statuing him.
My point was that Raiden having said stamina enables him to actually shred him down to said point without stopping.

Won’t really help

Tf you mean "Knows a bunch of shit about him, scans his cellular structure, etc" won't help?

No.
When he entered Purgatory Ban started walking and fighting against purgatory beasts while getting burned to ash froze to death electrocuted dissolved by poison etc… he was constantly dying, but could fight his way through.

"Pre-Purgatory", also lad Raiden's shit eclipses things like actual lightning, things that can instantly fry and vaporize people, etc.

Just slashing him won’t avoid his ahh to snatch raiden to pieces of metal.

Prove Ban can do so as a literal puddle? Because he's gonna be a puddle before he gets to even think about doing anything.
Also Raiden can survive being torn apart and still fight, not relevant though given one dude is being statued.

The only incap you talked about is electricity.

And that's the only one I need to talk about? It can incap stun dudes who actively resist electricity, and upscales massively off Venom Snake's, BB's, etc own electricity incap stuff which can knock out dudes for actual days.
And THEN Raiden has his own lightning slop that upscales off the beat stick without needing a weapon on top of that.

BOS sins resists Gilthunder’s natural lightnings to the point of mostly no selling incap effects.

Thank god Raiden > Volgin/Venom.

Ban would be able to tank 2 million volts since natural lightnings are around 100 Millions to a billion volts

And also disperse and fluctuate in completely different ways, lose massive amounts of energy and spread and yadda yadda. Why do you think people irl can survive lightning bolts?
It isn't comparable to having a stick shoved up your ass with that same voltage.

Ban resists paralysis inducement

Not even remotely comparable in mechanics.

Stop acting like blade mode is a constant amp

Sucks to suck, but it's accepted, and Blade Mode IS a constant amp, you can hold it down forever, even in gameplay, and he can enter it in numerous QTE's even while empty. What you're thinking of, is Ripper Mode, which ALSO is accepted to be a constant amp when activated so...

Stop acting like it’s a stomp, or if it is and ban has no way of winning this Then ask for this to be closed.
That’s not my opinion I think Ban’s win cons are way better since he wouldn’t need DAYS to kill Raiden

Raiden wouldn't either, give me like a day and I could go get that calc implemented if need be.

Anyway all I got from this is that Ban can't stat slop Raiden by your own admission, and then ignoring speed amps.
Also important to note, Snatch can drain Ban and is only temporary in some regards.

 

[Makai641001]

"Magically" locate isn't good enough. And you're acting like it's passive? He still has to decide to do it.

As an fyi, speed equal prevents anything from being faster than the opposing character who would normally be faster, fortunately, Raiden just got a MFTL+ calc done.

Literally statuing him.

And how would he know? He's being statued and would vanish again before he even knew what happened?

So it's useless then?

That and this evidently are not the same thing. they're not even listed under the same thing.

And yet Raiden's power stems from inorganic physiology and mechanics.

And you're a bit annoying, either prove it or don't instead of resorting to backhanded remarks.

Ok, so where's Ban's resistance to Raiden's funny stun rods that upscale lightning? Because I'm not seeing that on the profile.

Actually a better question would be has Ban ever done that? How would Ban even know? If he steals his heart, and he gets a piece of metal, why assume Raiden is a cyborg, would he even know what a cyborg is? Why wouldn't he assume he's just some mechanical golem or something?

Except wrong, we've had this CRT like 5 times. Ripper Mode is accepted as permanent when activated based on multiple statements and scripted fights.

And? He's also the dude being rendered into a subatomic paste by a dude who's statuing him.
My point was that Raiden having said stamina enables him to actually shred him down to said point without stopping.

Tf you mean "Knows a bunch of shit about him, scans his cellular structure, etc" won't help?

"Pre-Purgatory", also lad Raiden's shit eclipses things like actual lightning, things that can instantly fry and vaporize people, etc.

Prove Ban can do so as a literal puddle? Because he's gonna be a puddle before he gets to even think about doing anything.
Also Raiden can survive being torn apart and still fight, not relevant though given one dude is being statued.

And that's the only one I need to talk about? It can incap stun dudes who actively resist electricity, and upscales massively off Venom Snake's, BB's, etc own electricity incap stuff which can knock out dudes for actual days.
And THEN Raiden has his own lightning slop that upscales off the beat stick without needing a weapon on top of that.

Thank god Raiden > Volgin/Venom.

And also disperse and fluctuate in completely different ways, lose massive amounts of energy and spread and yadda yadda. Why do you think people irl can survive lightning bolts?
It isn't comparable to having a stick shoved up your ass with that same voltage.

Not even remotely comparable in mechanics.

Sucks to suck, but it's accepted, and Blade Mode IS a constant amp, you can hold it down forever, even in gameplay, and he can enter it in numerous QTE's even while empty. What you're thinking of, is Ripper Mode, which ALSO is accepted to be a constant amp when activated so...

Raiden wouldn't either, give me like a day and I could go get that calc implemented if need be.

You should, cause as of rn Ban is faster in base which means that going by the rule you want to use Raiden can’t use blade or ripper mode.

Get it in profiles/verse page.

Anyway all I got from this is that Ban can't stat slop Raiden by your own admission, and then ignoring speed amps.

No he can’t

Also important to note, Snatch can drain Ban and is only temporary in some regards.

Snatching physicals can drain him, snatching body parts don’t.

What i got from it is that you didn’t show actual statements about natural lightning resistance in verse while we basically have BOS sins resisting long exposure to Gil’s natural lightnings.

I don’t have much time so i’ll try to answer later

 

[Chariot190]

You should, cause as of rn Ban is faster in base which means that going by the rule you want to use Raiden can’t use blade or ripper mode.

Get it in profiles/verse page.

I mean I figured the fact it's already been calced by staff and is being put off so we could do it properly and not half assed would be good enough given it exists, has been checked over, so I don't need to make a shoddy CRT to appease someone but shrug, fine.

Now hopefully you don't pretend otherwise.

No he can’t

Uh, yeah, that's what I said?

Snatching physicals can drain him, snatching body parts don’t.

Drain is drain, a drawback is a drawback.

You still need to prove he can do so while a puddle, being statued, and would even think to do so if he snatches and it fails completely to hinder Raiden because he aimed for the heart or something.
Also Raiden has 5 revives.

What i got from it is that you didn’t show actual statements about natural lightning resistance in verse while we basically have BOS sins resisting long exposure to Gil’s natural lightnings.

Bro what? Have you tried checking Volgin's, Venom's, and other such dude's profiles? Whom I directly mentioned by name? Naked Snake alone has 10 million volt res with exponentially longer sustained contact, while wet, bruised, (better conductivity) AND chained up so he isn't touching the ground for it to disperse. WHILE naked and without armor or a suit.

And that's the BOTTOM, the actual lowest part of the scaling for electricity slop. And yes, that's all accepted, it's where the 8-B comes from even.

If you want to yap about showing statements and shit, the least you could do is make sure it isn't already accepted.

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• Electricity Manipulation (Can shoot bolts of lightning and imbue his body and bullets with electricity)
• Absorption (Can absorb electricity from nearby power sources)

This is Volgin.

Raiden>Raiden>Solidus>Fox>Snake>Snake>BB>Venom>BB>Naked.
Probably throw some SKULLS in there actually, they can shrug off like 1.2m volts.

And mind you that's excluding upgrades, the stun arm, the stun stick, etc all have stronger upgraded variants that some dudes can nosell.

And then Raiden even without the incap weapons, has even stronger electricity.

Meanwhile, I'm not seeing Ban having any res to Raiden's incap options listed if we're legit going the lmao profile route.

 

[Makai641001]

I mean I figured the fact it's already been calced by staff and is being put off so we could do it properly and not half assed would be good enough given it exists, has been checked over, so I don't need to make a shoddy CRT to appease someone but shrug, fine.

Now hopefully you don't pretend otherwise.

Unfortunately we go off of profiles, you wanted rigor about rules so let’s be rigorous

Uh, yeah, that's what I said?

Yeah I agreed sorry i expressed myself poorly

Drain is drain, a drawback is a drawback.

The drawback is dependant on his physical hunt (And it applies a few minutes after he is full and can’t absorb anything anymore) not on base snatch

You still need to prove he can do so while a puddle

Raiden has no prior knowledge, Ban has the surprise effect and snatch is a perception blitz even for Arthur lol

, being statued,

Even If the amps are applied I highly doubt Raiden can outspeed snatch

and would even think to do so if he snatches and it fails completely to hinder Raiden because he aimed for the heart or something.

He can spam it even on multiple beings at the same time as many times as he wants

Also Raiden has 5 revives.

Ok

Bro what? Have you tried checking Volgin's, Venom's, and other such dude's profiles? Whom I directly mentioned by name? Naked Snake alone has 10 million volt res with exponentially longer sustained contact, while wet, bruised, (better conductivity) AND chained up so he isn't touching the ground for it to disperse. WHILE naked and without armor or a suit.

And that's the BOTTOM, the actual lowest part of the scaling for electricity slop. And yes, that's all accepted, it's where the 8-B comes from even.

If you want to yap about showing statements and shit, the least you could do is make sure it isn't already accepted.

Volgin

Yevgeny Borisovich Volgin was a Stalinist colonel who attempted to seize control of the Soviet Union by ousting Khrushchev and installing Brezhnev in his place. He was the son of Boris Volgin, a treasurer for the Philosophers. After his death, Volgin acquired their vast fortune, which his father...

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Anyway

• Electricity Manipulation (Can shoot bolts of lightning and imbue his body and bullets with electricity)
• Absorption (Can absorb electricity from nearby power sources)

This is Volgin.

Raiden>Raiden>Solidus>Fox>Snake>Snake>BB>Venom>BB>Naked.
Probably throw some SKULLS in there actually, they can shrug off like 1.2m volts.

And mind you that's excluding upgrades, the stun arm, the stun stick, etc all have stronger upgraded variants that some dudes can nosell.

And then Raiden even without the incap weapons, has even stronger electricity.

So higher than 10 millions with no stated value

Meanwhile, I'm not seeing Ban having any res to Raiden's incap options listed if we're legit going the lmao profile route.

Basically resistances in NNT are dependant on your overall power the higher it gets the stronger resistances get.

Meliodas Diane and Ban are relative to each others.

10 million volts is basically shit to them hell even Diane was caught in a natural Thunderstorm and could still fight afterwards.(100 million to billions of volts)
It never incapacitated them at all

Ban also resists poisons that incap paralyse and co

Also Pre purgatory Ban is the one that kept searching Meliodas, fighting while turned into ash froze to death etc… (he wasn’t adapted to Purgatory yet) it’s not his post purgatory key

 

[Robo432343]

raiden blitzstomps

 

[Makai641001]

raiden blitzstomps

Just checked the rules

Any speed equalized match, in which a major reason a character loses is due to having a disadvantage against some speed value they usually wouldn't have a disadvantage against, may not be added to profiles.
As a result, winning a speed equalized match against a faster opponent due to a speed boost so large that it blitzes the opponent will not be added."

So basically:
-Ban being currently faster Raiden gets his amps restricted and Ban speedstomp with snatch. (Can’t be added to the profiles)

-Raiden MFTL+ calc is added to the verse page and profiles snatch gets restricted and Raider speedstomps with amps. (Can’t be added to the profiles)

-We allow their amps despite Ban being faster normally (Can’t be added to the profiles)

-Raiden gets MFTL+ we keep the amps and either one of them can speedstomp each others (Can’t be added to the profiles)

What an interesting VS LMAO

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Raiden can’t incap Ban with electricity, and he can’t kill him his only way to win is to slash ban constantly to a puddle of blood (Which isn’t even considered in character going by the profiles else lmk when he did it)

Ban can kill Raiden using snatch but definitely doesn’t scale speed wise against his amps.

Profiles state that these amps are in short bursts but apparently it’s not.

 

[Chariot190]

Unfortunately we go off of profiles, you wanted rigor about rules so let’s be rigorous

Based on what? Basic SBA?

Yeah I agreed sorry i expressed myself poorly

I can tell.

The drawback is dependant on his physical hunt (And it applies a few minutes after he is full and can’t absorb anything anymore) not on base snatch

Doesn't change what I said.

Raiden has no prior knowledge, Ban has the surprise effect and snatch is a perception blitz even for Arthur lol

Hey remember info analysis that you randomly disregarded for some reason?

And surprise effect? If they start any meaningful distance away, Raiden's stealth eclipses anything in NNT, it ain't gonna be Ban getting the drop on him.

Even If the amps are applied I highly doubt Raiden can outspeed snatch

Uh, lmao what? Raiden is gonna be like 200c dude. Snatch won't be shit.

He can spam it even on multiple beings at the same time as many times as he wants

Not what I asked for. Why would he? It's already failed and did nothing of value. why spam it? And again, acting like he's even getting the chance. Under no circumstance is he acting first, Raiden's the dude with the ludicrous stealth and amps.

Ok

Meaning Ban has to kill him 5 times, all before Raiden does anything.

So higher than 10 millions with no stated value

Exponentially higher than the dude with no resistance

Also why be obtuse? It's literally a chain of like 8 nosells into instant incaps.

Volgin is at the bottom, PW has a chain of 4, V a chain of 6, and then just basic upscaling from there.

Basically resistances in NNT are dependant on your overall power the higher it gets the stronger resistances get.

Nope. Not on the profile. You literally just pulled that bullshit with me and you think any sort of "well actually" is going to fly? Ban doesn't have a single resistance to any of Raiden's stuff listed, so tough luck.

Meliodas Diane and Ban are relative to each others.

Don't care the res not on profile.

10 million volts is basically shit to them hell even Diane was caught in a natural Thunderstorm and could still fight afterwards.(100 million to billions of volts)
It never incapacitated them at all

Don't care not on profile.
Notwithstanding 10m is nothing to Raiden either but you're just ignoring the like ten dudes inbetween ig.

Also not how that works, ever, that's actually straight up not allowed. The very fact it's natural lightning is a bad thing, ignoring how she isn't even being struck by the lightning but the speed at which natural lightning effects you is so quick you don't scale to shit. Why do you think people can survive it irl?
Why ignore this? We have a bunch of rules in place for tanking natural lightning, it's why surviving it doesn't make you 8-C either despite it having that amount of energy.

I sincerely pray that isn't your best example because it wouldn't even fly if you were to make a CRT to get it added.

Ban also resists poisons that incap paralyse and co

Not the same thing at all don't be obtuse. We don't translate resistances if the mechanics differ completely. Raiden's parahax isn't done the same way, it'd be like arguing Ban could resist that shadow jutsu from Naruto despite the mechanics being completely alien to what he actually resists.

Also Pre purgatory Ban is the one that kept searching Meliodas, fighting while turned into ash froze to death etc… (he wasn’t adapted to Purgatory yet) it’s not his post purgatory key

Don't care not on the profile.

" Resistance to Paralysis Inducement (Unaffected Orlondi's invisible pipes, which draw out the blood of his opponents and paralyses his prey) and Limited Telepathy, Extrasensory Perception and Clairvoyance with Zero Sign (The Ten Commandments, including Gloxinia, were unable to detect his presence)"

That's it, that's all ya get. You want to pretend otherwise, well sucks to suck but I ain't seeing anything that stops Raiden from incapping with a stray bolt.

So, what's stopping Raiden from using his like 5 incap electrical based options that Ban has no resistance toward? Rhetorical. Nothing, at all, not one thing.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

You kind of missed the part where Raiden is going to be dipping in and out of combat.
Also a 10x speed gap is massive, Raiden literally statues people with it and slashes them thousands of times and does cool acrobatics, before they can literally blink.
Which is a hell of a lot more thn 10x now that I think about it but that's what the statement says).

Has Raiden ever done that even once? I suppose not. So stop making up actions that the characters never performed. Rainde makes the first attack and has their limbs torn off before even thinking about making the second.

Based on what? Prove it. How can he steal something if he doesn't know where it is. How's he targeting it?

I will not spoon-feed you; you are not a baby. Go to Ban's profile.

So you don't have any proof? Why didn't Ban just steal the energy of the sun then?

This is one of the most absurd questions I've ever been asked on this wiki. How would he steal something that's millions of kilometers away from him? And just because he hasn't done it doesn't mean he can't.

Ban rips Rainde's head off and ends the fight.

You being ignorant ain't my issue, MGS is still being overhauled, but goddamn if everyone doesn't know they have good stealth, and Raiden scales to dudes like Big Boss and Snake who have enhanced senses for good reason. This also double doesn't matter, because it is listed (just very poorly), part of why he has Info analysis and enhanced senses. If need be I will post relevant scans.

If it's not on the profile and hasn't been accepted, it can't be used here.

 

[Makai641001]

Based on what? Basic SBA?

I can tell.

Doesn't change what I said.

Hey remember info analysis that you randomly disregarded for some reason?

And surprise effect? If they start any meaningful distance away, Raiden's stealth eclipses anything in NNT, it ain't gonna be Ban getting the drop on him.

Uh, lmao what? Raiden is gonna be like 200c dude. Snatch won't be shit.

Not what I asked for. Why would he? It's already failed and did nothing of value. why spam it? And again, acting like he's even getting the chance. Under no circumstance is he acting first, Raiden's the dude with the ludicrous stealth and amps.

Meaning Ban has to kill him 5 times, all before Raiden does anything.

Exponentially higher than the dude with no resistance

Also why be obtuse? It's literally a chain of like 8 nosells into instant incaps.

Volgin is at the bottom, PW has a chain of 4, V a chain of 6, and then just basic upscaling from there.


Nope. Not on the profile. You literally just pulled that bullshit with me and you think any sort of "well actually" is going to fly? Ban doesn't have a single resistance to any of Raiden's stuff listed, so tough luck.

Don't care the res not on profile.

Don't care not on profile.
Notwithstanding 10m is nothing to Raiden either but you're just ignoring the like ten dudes inbetween ig.

Also not how that works, ever, that's actually straight up not allowed. The very fact it's natural lightning is a bad thing, ignoring how she isn't even being struck by the lightning but the speed at which natural lightning effects you is so quick you don't scale to shit. Why do you think people can survive it irl?
Why ignore this? We have a bunch of rules in place for tanking natural lightning, it's why surviving it doesn't make you 8-C either despite it having that amount of energy.

I sincerely pray that isn't your best example because it wouldn't even fly if you were to make a CRT to get it added.

Not the same thing at all don't be obtuse. We don't translate resistances if the mechanics differ completely. Raiden's parahax isn't done the same way, it'd be like arguing Ban could resist that shadow jutsu from Naruto despite the mechanics being completely alien to what he actually resists.

Don't care not on the profile.

" Resistance to Paralysis Inducement (Unaffected Orlondi's invisible pipes, which draw out the blood of his opponents and paralyses his prey) and Limited Telepathy, Extrasensory Perception and Clairvoyance with Zero Sign (The Ten Commandments, including Gloxinia, were unable to detect his presence)"

That's it, that's all ya get. You want to pretend otherwise, well sucks to suck but I ain't seeing anything that stops Raiden from incapping with a stray bolt.

So, what's stopping Raiden from using his like 5 incap electrical based options that Ban has no resistance toward? Rhetorical. Nothing, at all, not one thing.

as haughty as ever you always act like this in VS threads that’s concerning.

No MFTL calc = restricted amps Ban stomps.

 

[Chariot190]

-Raiden gets MFTL+ we keep the amps and either one of them can speedstomp each others (Can’t be added to the profiles)

Raiden would be FTL in Custom Body actually, 1/10 Ripper Mode value.

Also Snatch is just "higher", you're acting like it's 100x.

Raiden can’t incap Ban with electricity, and he can’t kill him his only way to win is to slash ban constantly to a puddle of blood

Well unfortunate as it might be the profiles say otherwise

(Which isn’t even considered in character going by the profiles else lmk when he did it)

This is how I know you didn't actually click a single link on the profile, EVERY boss fight ends with Raiden shredding people to thousands of ribbons.
In a timeframe so quick they're unable to react.
Usually to thousands of pieces.

But if Raiden needs to go an extra mile to make sure he won't come back, by doing a thing he already does? Why wouldn't he? It'd just take him like an extra minute as opposed to 0.001 seconds.

Ban can kill Raiden using snatch but definitely doesn’t scale speed wise against his amps.

He literally can't, snatching 98% of his body is non-lethal and wouldn't do anything.
And I've yet to see any example of Ban being able to do so while being shredded.

Profiles state that these amps are in short bursts but apparently it’s not.

The profile literally says Ripper Mode is a perm thing if activated. Which should be obvious given the whole Monsoon fight he's scripted to be in a permanent RM state.

Has Raiden ever done that even once? I suppose not. So stop making up actions that the characters never performed. Rainde makes the first attack and has their limbs torn off before even thinking about making the second.

??????????????
Uh yeah? Literally whole games worth? What??????????

I'm not even humoring this, "does the stealth character who uses stealth, has whole games based on stealth, has whole movesets and gimmicks based on stealth even in the action game, dip in and out of combat", uh, yep? I would actually have gone and grabbed a bunch of examples such as the zandatsu, systematically taking out armed goons, cyborgs, drones, and more but given your immediate next reply was "im not gonna spoonfeed you", you can find that shit yourself, not like I need to anyway as the ddue does, in fact, have stealth mastery listed.

I will not spoon-feed you; you are not a baby. Go to Ban's profile.

I did, doesn't say what you're saying. So tough luck

This is one of the most absurd questions I've ever been asked on this wiki. How would he steal something that's millions of kilometers away from him?

Idk, how would he steal something that is imperceptible to him?

And just because he hasn't done it doesn't mean he can't.

NLF, next.

Ban rips Rainde's head off and ends the fight.

How when he doesn't know where he is in the slightest?
Why his head and not something else?

If it's not on the profile and hasn't been accepted, it can't be used here.

No lightning res?
Also, it is on the profile, dude has both those abilities listed.

You need to stop trying to pull this not on profile card bullshit for things on the profile, this is the 3rd time.

as haughty as ever you always act like this in VS threads that’s concerning.

Why because tough luck, you want to play that card you gotta follow it too? Unfortunate. I do not care.
Call me what you want, it ain't gonna change the fact you've basically shot yourself in the foot with this profile only stuff given at the very least every ability I've mentioned, is, in fact, listed, while Ban is lacking completely.

No MFTL calc = restricted amps Ban stomps.

See that's the funny thing, if we're going strictly by profiles, he doesn't even need a speed amp, Raiden can with a thought spawn a lightning bolt on him and incaps him from a distance because he doesn't have resistance And yes, that is on the profile.
If you wanna hide behind "not on profile" slop, even though ironically basically everything you used that excuse for IS on the profile, and yet, the very crux of your arguments, aren't even mentioned or listed.

 

[Makai641001]

Raiden would be FTL in Custom Body actually, 1/10 Ripper Mode value.

Also Snatch is just "higher", you're acting like it's 100x.


Well unfortunate as it might be the profiles say otherwise

This is how I know you didn't actually click a single link on the profile, EVERY boss fight ends with Raiden shredding people to thousands of ribbons.
In a timeframe so quick they're unable to react.
Usually to thousands of pieces.

But if Raiden needs to go an extra mile to make sure he won't come back, by doing a thing he already does? Why wouldn't he? It'd just take him like an extra minute as opposed to 0.001 seconds.

He literally can't, snatching 98% of his body is non-lethal and wouldn't do anything.
And I've yet to see any example of Ban being able to do so while being shredded.

The profile literally says Ripper Mode is a perm thing if activated. Which should be obvious given the whole Monsoon fight he's scripted to be in a permanent RM state.

??????????????
Uh yeah? Literally whole games worth? What??????????

I'm not even humoring this, "does the stealth character who uses stealth, has whole games based on stealth, has whole movesets and gimmicks based on stealth even in the action game, dip in and out of combat", uh, yep? I would actually have gone and grabbed a bunch of examples such as the zandatsu, systematically taking out armed goons, cyborgs, drones, and more but given your immediate next reply was "im not gonna spoonfeed you", you can find that shit yourself, not like I need to anyway as the ddue does, in fact, have stealth mastery listed.

I did, doesn't say what you're saying. So tough luck

Idk, how would he steal something that is imperceptible to him?

NLF, next.


How when he doesn't know where he is in the slightest?
Why his head and not something else?


No lightning res?
Also, it is on the profile, dude has both those abilities listed.

You need to stop trying to pull this not on profile card bullshit for things on the profile, this is the 3rd time.

Why because tough luck, you want to play that card you gotta follow it too? Unfortunate. I do not care.
Call me what you want, it ain't gonna change the fact you've basically shot yourself in the foot with this profile only stuff given at the very least every ability I've mentioned, is, in fact, listed, while Ban is lacking completely.

See that's the funny thing, if we're going strictly by profiles, he doesn't even need a speed amp, Raiden can with a thought spawn a lightning bolt on him and incaps him from a distance because he doesn't have resistance And yes, that is on the profile.
If you wanna hide behind "not on profile" slop, even though ironically basically everything you used that excuse for IS on the profile, and yet, the very crux of your arguments, aren't even mentioned or listed.

Either way this can be closed it won’t be added to profiles as you seem to tell us it’s a stomp.

Count my vote as neutral until Ban resistance gets listed and Raiden gets to MFTL

 

[Chariot190]

Either way this can be closed it won’t be added to profiles as you seem to tell us it’s a stomp.

Huh? I never once said that, Ban has winconditions.

Would he get them off before funny robot goes brrr and abuses quantum duraneg?
Would he do so if they start 400m apart and dude abuses probably some of the stupidest stealth in gaming?
Would he do so even if he does it given if he targets the wrong thing it's useless?
Would he do so before Raiden uses incap like funny bzzzt sword, or even the Fox Sword which is instant kill, albeit with like a 10% chance.
And so forth?
Who knows, between Raiden's info anal, precog, and stealth while having viable methods, I would say he gets the jump more often than not.

Ban still has a win condition all the same though, if he does, in fact, snatch his brain, that would be lethal I think, cyborgs have survived having their brains cut in half so it's a bit *****

Count my vote as neutral until Ban resistance gets listed and Raiden gets to MFTL

I mean as it stands, without MFTL, and without res. Dude just looks at him and goes bzzzt

If we're going 100% strictly off profiles.

 

[speedster352]

We might need to have this thread closed.

 

[Majinere566]

Oh brother

 

[Demon_Lord18]

??????????????
Uh yeah? Literally whole games worth? What??????????

I'm not even humoring this, "does the stealth character who uses stealth, has whole games based on stealth, has whole movesets and gimmicks based on stealth even in the action game, dip in and out of combat", uh, yep? I would actually have gone and grabbed a bunch of examples such as the zandatsu, systematically taking out armed goons, cyborgs, drones, and more but given your immediate next reply was "im not gonna spoonfeed you", you can find that shit yourself, not like I need to anyway as the ddue does, in fact, have stealth mastery listed.

Actually, you didn’t get it because it doesn’t exist. Being stealthy or not wasn’t your point. Stop making strawman arguments. You claim he would land a hit and retreat from the battlefield, repeating this action until Ban couldn’t regenerate. Since you’ve already changed what you said, I suppose I was right.

How when he doesn't know where he is in the slightest?
Why his head and not something else?

Ban always attacks to kill his target. As soon as he realized that Raiden doesn’t have a heart, he would go for the head.

I did, doesn't say what you're saying. So tough luck

Idk, how would he steal something that is imperceptible to him?

It’s literally in Ban’s profile, I’m not going to spoon-feed you. Read the profiles carefully before giving opinions about a battle, so you don’t ask this kind of question.

NLF, next.

How when he doesn't know where he is in the slightest?
Why his head and not something else?

Ban always attacks to kill his target. As soon as he realized that Raiden doesn’t have a heart, he would go for the head.

No lightning res?
Also, it is on the profile, dude has both those abilities listed.

You need to stop trying to pull this not on profile card bullshit for things on the profile, this is the 3rd time.

He has no layered abilities listed in his profile. Like... Your main reason for this is an imaginary rework that hasn’t even started, lol.

You want to lie about a layered ability not listed and expect me to just let it slide? Spare me from your frustrations.

 

[Ebihara]

We might need to have this thread closed.

It is getting a little heated

 

[Makai641001]

It is getting a little heated

It’s not the first time that i see Chariot being haughty with people and them telling him that his behaviour is mid.

Honestly this thread is so useless it itches me that we have to Go through ALL this nonsense.

We have 0 way to get this on the profiles cause it’s either a speed stomp on ban or raiden side

The OP should’ve made it so it’s not a stomp on One or another side

The only good thing that came out of this is that we’ll add resistance to electricity for the sins lol