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Horror Movies Discussion Thread

Personally this just sounds like a load of headcanon and also kinda damaging to Roy's character.

You're saying that because Freddy manifested one of Roy's victims (in a secondary canon source, mind you), that means that Jason was secretly possessing him the entire time (before he was ever shown to actually have that power AND through a method that he hasn't shown previously) and that we should axe Roy's profile and swap when Jason gets possession. That's a leap in logic that shouldn't be called "occam's razor" anytime soon

All official media treats Roy as an insane copycat killer, that was the original intention and continues to be what the series treats it as. Anything else is purely speculative. I can think of at least three equally possible reasons why Freddy conjured up one of Roy's victims
 
Raincutter said:
You're adding context where there is none. Let's look at this simply:
Jason has possessed people in various media whether by his mask or his heart. He's also a deadite - their whole schtick is possession
Roy's victim is shown as one of Jason's
Now, what's more likely: The writers had Freddy resurrect Roy's victim mistakenly (If he knows about Roy's victims, he should know about Roy, so this idea is illogical in itself), but not mention it within the comic for some reason; or it's just an easter egg confirming that Jason was Roy, which is in line with his possession powers?
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Occam's Razor/Abductive Reasoning - Jason possessed Roy. If you wanna split hairs over his different behavior, well, he is blatantly superhuman despite being ostensibly being some no-name paramedic prior to his son's death, smashing through doors and lifting people with one arm, and he makes no sound after getting stabbed in the balls and that only makes sense if he was Jason.
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Honestly you got a point. I also remember the director stating that when tommy put on the mask. Jason possessed him. But perhaps it was retconned. Also I'm not even sure how we would include the curse of Jason Voorhees key when there is plans of splitting Jason profile into different parts
 
ShockingPsychic said:
Personally this just sounds like a load of headcanon and also kinda damaging to Roy's character.

You're saying that because Freddy manifested one of Roy's victims (in a secondary canon source, mind you), that means that Jason was secretly possessing him the entire time (before he was ever shown to actually have that power) and that we should axe Roy's profile and swap when Jason gets possession. That's a leap in logic that shouldn't be called "occam's razor" anytime soon

All official media treats Roy as an insane copycat killer, that was the original intention and continues to be what the series treats it as. Anything else is purely speculative. I can think of at least three equally possible reasons why Freddy conjured up one of Roy's victims
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That's true. I remember one of the novels stating that Roy was the only legitimate copycat. And it was in carnaval of maniacs if I'm not mistaken
 
ShockingPsychic said:
Personally this just sounds like a load of headcanon and also kinda damaging to Roy's character.
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What character lol? The dude has 10 seconds of screen time without the mask but is otherwise for all intents and purposes Jason with the same 9-B feat.
ShockingPsychic said:
You're saying that because Freddy manifested one of Roy's victims (in a secondary canon source, mind you), that means that Jason was secretly possessing him the entire time (before he was ever shown to actually have that power AND through a method that he hasn't shown previously) and that we should axe Roy's profile and swap when Jason gets possession. That's a leap in logic that shouldn't be called "occam's razor" anytime soon
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That’s only true if you assume the conclusion for your premise - Begging the question fallacy.
ShockingPsychic said:
All official media treats Roy as an insane copycat killer, that was the original intention and continues to be what the series treats it as. Anything else is purely speculative. I can think of at least three equally possible reasons why Freddy conjured up one of Roy's victims
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Well the mere fact that you say “Roy’s victims” tells me your headcanon’s gonna be bunk since you obviously haven’t read the comic yet you’re arguing it anyways. It’s one guy, as I previously said. And Freddy specifically states: “Rise Voorhees victims past and present.”

So whatever you reason will either have to try and argue Freddy’s an unreliable character (which is bs because Freddy literally peered into Jason’s memories in the comics) or two the writers messed up, which is heavily unlikely.
 
Vyfourthaccount said:
But it was the author's intent correct?
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I get the idea, but I don't think an offhanded statement by a human necessarily debunks it. In-universe, supposing Jason was confirmed to be possessing Roy, from their POV he would still seem like a copycat, and I believe a few other of his murder sprees are dismissed as copycat killers or urban legends at some points,
Vyfourthaccount said:
also the Freddy Krueger summoning one of his victims could just be a Easter egg. We don't know if it was meant to be serious or not
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THis imo is the best argument, and I'd be fine with it if it wasn't already established Jason (and his mom) have possession powers
 
Raincutter said:
I get the idea, but I don't think an offhanded statement by a human necessarily debunks it. In-universe, supposing Jason was confirmed to be possessing Roy, from their POV he would still seem like a copycat, and I believe a few other of his murder sprees are dismissed as copycat killers or urban legends at some points,

THis imo is the best argument, and I'd be fine with it if it wasn't already established Jason (and his mom) have possession powers
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Fair point but there is one thing about why Roy burns wouldn't be possessed. Jason needs to either get his heart eaten or have his mask be used (from p9 I assume since these novels take place after it). As we know Roy burns doesn't wear the original mask. Rather a new one that isn't of Jason. I also think it's unlikely he ate his heart too
 
Should I create the baby in yellows profile?

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The Baby in Yellow

Hastur or simply known as The Baby in Yellow is the titular main antagonist of the 2020 game of the same name. It is a baby that was possessed by a dark force. The Baby in Yellow has a penchant to trap his babysitters on his dimension known as Carcosa after babysitting him with the help of his...
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Ar1216789 said:
Reality-warping and nigh-omnipotence is listed in his powers in the villains wiki.
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What else does he do?
I haven't seen the game in like two years but I dont remember him doing much.
And this is a horror movie discussion thread
 
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Bendynoah10 said:
What else does he do?
I haven't seen the game in like two years but I dont remember him doing much.
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I'm playing the game on my phone - he can teleport, telekinetically lift objects, trap souls into objects, plant manipulation, reality warping, among others. He can render the player to be trapped in an infinite loop of challenges. He also his two transformations: a demon state and a giant state, where he can instantly kill the Player from impact. He can also travel between dimensions: He can trap the Player in his Carcosa dimension. He doesn't have any notable AP feats as far as I remember. Though, he can survive being burned in an oven and falling from large heights.
Bendynoah10 said:
And this is a horror movie discussion thread
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My fault on that.
 
Behold the weakest Jason victim
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Ash Williams (Dynamite Comics)

Ash Williams is the protagonist of the Evil Dead series of films, comics, games, tv series, and spin-offs, a franchise that spans not just several mediums but infinite universes. Unlike his live action counterpart, this version of Ash did not return to a mundane life after the events of Army of...
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Vyfourthaccount said:
Honestly someone should try to make a crt to change it
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Already did lol. Thread is ded.
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Comprehensive Michael Myers CRT/Upgrades

This will cover some stuff I found in the novels and retreat some stuff discussed in this thread since that one's pretty dead and without consensus 1978 Novelization The stuff from here should boost Thorn, Green, and H20 Michael since the original 1978 is canon to all three. It's implied he...
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Raincutter said:
Already did lol. Thread is ded.
vsbattles.com

Comprehensive Michael Myers CRT/Upgrades

This will cover some stuff I found in the novels and retreat some stuff discussed in this thread since that one's pretty dead and without consensus 1978 Novelization The stuff from here should boost Thorn, Green, and H20 Michael since the original 1978 is canon to all three. It's implied he...
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Sad. I'll go ahead and try to upgrade my csap page
 
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