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Uff fixing this verse will be a very long task. It will take us an infinite time to do so, the same size as the territory and sense of loneliness of the Outer Senshi.
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Sailor Moon: General Discussion
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HenshinIntervention
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Tuxedo Kamen's current profile is painful to look at it and so are a lot of the Villains.
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The Galaxia Profile is also in a very bad state. (It is one of my favorite Senshis.)
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Users on this site have had a history of vandalizing the pages and getting away with it. Unfortunately, nobody noticed when they added entire keys and fake P&As without going through a CRT.
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Uff yes, but I am already rereading the manga to see how much I can fix the Galaxia profile. That is, I am new to in this but my knowledge of Sailor Moon in terms of manga is quite good, I cannot say the same about my lack of knowledge of wiki edition. So for now I will avoid making profile edits until I have enough knowledge.
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Do you have a Discord?
In order to make any profile edits in any major capacity, you need to do what I and @Iamunanimousinthat did and make a Content Revision Thread (CRT).
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Yes, I have Discord.
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Hold on let me establish something
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https://vsbattles.com/threads/sailor-cosmos-vs-mori-dan-o-0-0-0.178642/
I do apologize to God, but is it a bad time to do this versus thread?
I do apologize to God, but is it a bad time to do this versus thread?
AsterReal
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Emm actually yes. We still did not fix the profiles and a set of important abilityes from the verse were removed.
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Oh no....
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Not planning to do anything with this, just yet, but behold! The strongest MOTD in Sailor Moon History. I would love to make a profile for her!
She's responsible for merging countless dimensions together in Season 3 episode 118 of the Classical Anime. These dimensions have their own landscapes, including stars and planets.
She's responsible for merging countless dimensions together in Season 3 episode 118 of the Classical Anime. These dimensions have their own landscapes, including stars and planets.
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Sailor Moon vs Cardcaptor Sakura
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Figured I'd ask yall Sailor Moon fans, but what do you guys think of this blog and it's various debunks to some of the stuff in the verse? I'm interested in the validity of them, but I have no knowledge of the series lol.
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We already have knowledge of the blog, but mostly only uses fallacies, omits information, or interprets it at convenience. It is a totally dishonest blog.Sailor Moon vs Cardcaptor Sakura
NOTE: This blog is filled to the brim with high quality gifs. It’s best if you wait a lil bit for everything to load on your computer. Flip RadioactiveCaffeine (Sailor Moon art by Marco…
Figured I'd ask yall Sailor Moon fans, but what do you guys think of this blog and it's various debunks to some of the stuff in the verse? I'm interested in the validity of them, but I have no knowledge of the series lol.
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So the plot thickens! Will you guys be making a response to it in the future, or nah?
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Blog literally makes up stuff that never happened (they literally misread an entire feat)Sailor Moon vs Cardcaptor Sakura
NOTE: This blog is filled to the brim with high quality gifs. It’s best if you wait a lil bit for everything to load on your computer. Flip RadioactiveCaffeine (Sailor Moon art by Marco…
Figured I'd ask yall Sailor Moon fans, but what do you guys think of this blog and it's various debunks to some of the stuff in the verse? I'm interested in the validity of them, but I have no knowledge of the series lol.
Think it was the Black Lady feat, they mentioned that the time mishap that was created was just a paradox even though it was stated and shown to be Black Lady physically launching a Black Crystal shard to the present. They also have no idea how large the Corridor is which you can find in the currently accepted cosmology blog I wrote here.
Another blog with similar 'Magical Girl' matchup had a similar section where they yap and misconstrued Sailor Moon stuff and they used, and I kid you not, mistranslation after mistranslation to support a made up headcanon. I already addressed its arguments in the cosmology blog.
Death Battle also had one of these and it took me months to make two debunk blogs on it (sadly VizMedia took it down due to copyright issues).
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As Aster says, its' a very dishonest blog.Sailor Moon vs Cardcaptor Sakura
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Figured I'd ask yall Sailor Moon fans, but what do you guys think of this blog and it's various debunks to some of the stuff in the verse? I'm interested in the validity of them, but I have no knowledge of the series lol.
For example, here the blog says:
This may sound reasonable if you are unknowledgeable about Sailor Moon. However, if you are knowledge able then you know the context. The blog is lying. The shockwaves were caused by a Black Crystal Monolith which were launched by Black Lady (Chibi-Usa). Here are the scans:
The shockwaves are caused by the Black crystal attack. We see the faces of King Endymion and Diana who are reacting to the attack in the future. Sailor Moon arrives in the future and says, "the black moon launched another attack". Then Sailor Moon asks Chibi-usa if she was the one who did it. Chibi-usa then does the attack again in front of them.
I can post other examples of straight up lies.
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HenshinIntervention
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They also merged 90s Anime and Manga/Crystal feats together and used 90s specific weaknesses for Sailor Moon (such as not being to survive having her star seed taken) and applied it to a Comp Moon even though Manga Sailor Moon can only not survive but recreate her star seed.
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We are busy enough fixing the verse here so nah, it recycles the same old arguments so I don't think it's worth it.
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Some counter-arguments:
The blog claims that the Universe is not Infinite because Sailor Uranus does not actually relate the size of the Universe to its loneliness, when the context of the story shows that if he does, he also for some reason interprets that the Main Universe was not infinite by the statement of Sailor Cosmos that Lambda Power can create a Static Universe, somehow he wants to make believe that the Universe became infinite after Sailor Moon used Lambda Power.
He also states that the Dreams Arc Mirrors Worlds are no more than alone one, for some reason only, when in fact. it is shown that there are more than one. He also states that since the word "world" is used instead of universe, mirror worlds are not real universes, even though the word world in Sailor Moon is used to talk about the universe twice, in two different arches. For a planet they literally say planet or star (because of a synonym with she Star Seeds).
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The reason why I posted this, is because that blog excluded this Daimon from it's analysis. I am not saying the creator did it maliciously, as its easy to forget a MOTD. But it reminded me of it.
But yes, there is no point in going through this blog. It's so much disinformation and not worth our time. When a blog needs to rely on "it's called world not universe" arguments, you know they have nothing to say.
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Sailor Moon: Love is Energy!
Poem audio starts at 1:48
Poem audio starts at 1:48
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hello my first post here
I agree with many things that blog says. I'll be blunt, I scale Sailor Moon way lower than everyone here (3-C to 3-A) but then again I do so with most verses. When I saw how stupid r/powerscaling gets with their scaling I noped out of there. I'll be happy to expand if asked
I agree with many things that blog says. I'll be blunt, I scale Sailor Moon way lower than everyone here (3-C to 3-A) but then again I do so with most verses. When I saw how stupid r/powerscaling gets with their scaling I noped out of there. I'll be happy to expand if asked
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I'll be glad to speak to you about these things.
However, it should be noted that blog, aside from various inaccuracies, mixes up the canons. This wiki focuses on the Manga.
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Last I remember some of the people at r/powerscaling disregard character statements because they automatically assume that they're unreliable (aka no reason whatsoever)
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Depends on the context tbh.
Character statements are of a lower level than feats / scans and word of god, unless said characters are nigh-omnisicient, but sailor moon does not have such characters unless I'm missing something.
Thing with r/powerscaling is that it never uses the same standard for all verses. It's a school of thought that claims they hold the truth.
I don't believe for a second the sailor moon verse is infinite though.
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What's your reasoning?
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You do not believe that the verse is infinite in the terms desize of the cosmos / universe. Or in what sense?
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Not necessarily, character statements are written by the author for a reason and they're statements in verse. Unless the character in question is deliberately written to be a hilariously unreliable character (like that Doctor Imaidiot from Dragon Ball) or blatantly later contradicted and shown to be wrong.
There's plenty of reliable characters in Sailor Moon, if that's what you're wondering.
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Wiseman's domain, chaos tampering with the verse in the stars arc, the existence of the milky way and its cauldron, and the spirit of the law dictate that the sailor moon verse cannot be infinite. Haruka says that line of loneliness spreading to infinity, but i think it's a metaphor that reflects her way as an outer senshi that looks like it's taken out of context when debating the verse's cosmology.
When Naoko assigned the lambda power to Sailor Cosmos, she took a possibly infinite concept from real life and assigned it to a finite concept in-verse.
I believe every galaxy in the sailor moon verse has its own cauldron and Sailor Galaxia even strongly suggests this as she is slowly dying in act 59.
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I know Setsuna for example is a much more reliable character than the likes of Beerus and that Dr. Slump guy but i also believe the manga does not have enough space to describe its cosmology since it's only 18 volumes long. So it gives a lot of room for interpretation based of one or two scans that aren't part of the arc's climax.
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Explain your reasoning.
Haruka says that true loneliness extends into infinity, like the place where they come from and the panel shows an image as a reference where it looks at space. There is no indication of anything metaphorical. That was already addressed before and it was accepted that it was not metaphorical by the wiki staff.
Again, explain your reasoning. This looks like a headcanon.
Galaxia does not say that there are other cauldrons, it says that another cauldron is borned somewhere if Usagi destroys the Galaxy Cauldron in the Sagittarius Zero Star. Your reasoning is wrong.
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There being a source of all there is doesn't mean it isn't infinite. Wiseman's Domain isn't located at the edge of space-time, because that isn't even the correct translation. Its NAME is "The End of Space-Time" and it's written in Japanese quotes like this 「」. Not sure what this "spirit of the law" is but I've never heard of it and it sounds like headcanon.
It isn't a metaphor. The Outer Guardians are repeatedly stated to be so far away from the Solar System that none of the Inners, Luna or Artemis were supposed to have known they existed. Hell, not even the Outer Guardians would've known each other existed because of how far away they are. Their job is to protect the Solar System from Outside Threats. When Haruka says her opinion, she said "Loneliness is more like an infinite expanse, like the place where we used to be" the place where they used to be is outside the solar system overseeing any outside interference.
This is headcanon, the actual statement is explicitly the conception of a Static Universe that refers to an infinite amount of stars and planets, that are in an infinite space.
You misread the act. Galaxia states that even if Eternal Sailor Moon were to destroy the Cauldron like Chibi Chibi begged her to, another Cauldron will eventually come into existence. In the meantime, everything would be destroyed because there is no Cauldron in that timeframe. That doesn't mean there are multiple Cauldrons, it just means there will always be one Cauldron and if that is destroyed then another one will spawn.
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Hehe, you'd think but no.
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well, let's say this. follow me and you'll get it.
The Sagittarius Zero star is the center of the milky way. In verse it contains the galaxy cauldron, which allows it to govern over the rest of the Milky Way. It's easy to make the conclusion that the cauldron actually governs an entire infinite universe when you take things out of context, but that is not the case here.
Also the manga does not expand on what "the end of space-time" even means in the first place, again, because of how short the whole arc is. So we can only throw shots in the dark I feel. You yourself are using a fan translation when quoting the original Japanese, so I don't believe it's better than some other fan translation. Especially when Sailor Moon is famous for relying on poetic language like many other japanese media in general.
The cauldron has the range of the milky way, but no one knows what would even happen in the first place should it be gone. Although Guardian Cosmos describes it as "the source of all possibilities", I don't really take that statement literally either when including deep context, since she was talking about chaos pending to be reborn in the future.
I stand by my statement that Haruka was using metaphors. Being so far away from the solar system honestly means nada. Outside threats is basically all evil outside the solar system it's just Occam's razor. Same with the tau star system for example.
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Sorry, but that is not an answer. That you "believe in something" is not an argument. That is just using a headcanon.
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Pharaoh 90 is from the Tau Star System which is an alternate dimension. Pharaoh 90 comes from the cauldron. This disproves that the cauldron only governs the galaxy.
Queen Nehellenia is from another alternate dimension as well, the dark world, or the shadow of the new moon.
Also, within Sagittarius Alpha Star is a graveyard. Each grave represents a fallen being, star, planet, etc. There is also unending procession of dying embers of fallen stars. These dying embers emerge from the graves and take flight.
For the procession to be never ending, the graveyard is never ending. For you interpretation to work, there must be a never ending amount of planets and stars in the galaxy. Remember, when things die, their star seeds return to the galaxy cauldron.
My friend, you have confused me here. Sailor Moon is poetic so you can’t “take it literally” but also you want to take the words, “Edge of Spacetime” literally? This comes across and picking choosing what you want to take literally and what you don’t want to metaphorically.
I take it literally because the cauldron literally creates everything and is the source of all beings, objects, powers, etc. it creates celestial histories, destinies, and is the system that govern the stars. There is no reason to take it as only metaphorical. Was it metaphorical when Guardian Cosmos said this is the birth places of stars? Why would one half of the sentence be literal and the second half metaphorical?
This is a verse where stars are alive and can take human form. There’s no reason we must believe supernatural elements are not in fact supernatural.
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Fan translation or not "End of Space-Time" is a direct translation from the individual kanji used in the text. If you got a problem with the original text then I can't help with that. "Edge" isn't even written as kanji or hiragana in the raws.
They did expand on it, Diana literally calls it an alternate dimension and it's a warped space. It's not at the literal end of time. It's also written in quotes so it's clearly not meant to be taken literally.
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Galaxia and Chaos imply multiple times that the fate of the Cauldron dictates the Universe as well. "Universe" in this case refers to the cosmology in context.
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Tbh the tau star system is depicted by looking like a giant star or galaxy in the manga so I'd calc it at 4-A or low 3-C. I feel like scans go above statements. Regardless, this does not necessarily prove the tau star system is not tied to the milky way. In fact, considering Pharaoh 90 is a manifestation of Chaos, it makes it all the more likely.
Next, since that graveyard is located within a star, which by definition is a finite object, then by deduction the graveyard is also finite. The argument that the milky way has an infinite amount of objects thus doesn't seem credible to me when you consider how the cauldron is located within the center of the milky way. Assuming that the cauldron is actually the center of an infinite universe implies making a lot of assumptions that don't align well with the sailor moon cosmology.
About the end of space-time... duh? I feel like that's just a different interpretation of the series, what bugs me is others seeing a wiki page and automatically assuming that's the gospel - I've seen other series fans that do this all the time. If space-time is presented to have an end, you can only assume it's infinity if you assume the assumptions above are true, you know, the infinite universe, the nature of the cauldron etc. But when the center of the milky way as presented in the manga is actually argued to be the maintainer of an entire universe, and an infinite one at that, and Usagi supposedly scaling to the cosmology then I'm sorry but I'm gonna raise my eyebrows and put my tinfoil hat.
And it's obvious why a sentence can be part literal and part metaphorical. It happens all the time in media.
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