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Golden experience requiem non physical interaction with BDE type 1addition

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so this one thread was accepted and I noticed that something can be added to GER which is Non physical interaction BDE type 1. considering time erasure erases not only time but space as well. could mean that the ability causes some sort of BDE type 1 effect and since GER was able to revert it as well talk to diavolo while in time erasure means that GER would have non physical interaction with BDE type 1

Agree:

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I might have posted it twice. Sorry it was due to lag
I don't think there is something like NPI towards BDE type 1 spaces. Idk.
No Reiner-sama I ment this

 
No Reiner-sama I ment this

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Was he not affected by Made In Heaven's powers?
Unknown whether or not GER was permanent. Plus this CRT is more for GER being able to interact with BDE type 1 shit not his existence having it. Also considering that GER was stated to be the ultimate stand. It's likely he's stronger than MIH so
 
Unknown whether or not GER was permanent. Plus this CRT is more for GER being able to interact with BDE type 1 shit not his existence having it. Also considering that GER was stated to be the ultimate stand. It's likely he's stronger than MIH so
not unknown it was stated that only pucci and the god isn't affected by Time acceleration
 
not unknown it was stated that only pucci and the god isn't affected by Time acceleration

And then jojoveller states that he's the ultimate stand. Plus wdym by "not unknown" I only said it was unknown if Ger was permanent or not
 
not unknown it was stated that only pucci and the god isn't affected by Time acceleration

And yet in everything ever GER is unaffected by MIH explicitly and has newer statements saying otherwise 🤷
Like there's an ACTUAL agenda in licensed material shit is wild

Plus, it wouldn't matter. GER doesnt resist anything, so it technically isnt wrong, what it does, is make it so he isnt effected to begin with.

Idk wtf op is proposing tho to agree or disagree tho
 
And yet in everything ever GER is unaffected by MIH explicitly and has newer statements saying otherwise 🤷
Like there's an ACTUAL agenda in licensed material shit is wild

Plus, it wouldn't matter. GER doesnt resist anything, so it technically isnt wrong, what it does, is make it so he isnt effected to begin with.

Idk wtf op is proposing tho to agree or disagree tho
I'm just proposing NPI with BDE type 1 for GER
 
English lad wtf does that MEAN
Why would it give BDE type 1 NPI? Is that even a thing wouldnt that be range?
Elaborate WHY it should give it.
 
English lad wtf does that MEAN
Why would it give BDE type 1 NPI? Is that even a thing wouldnt that be range?
Elaborate WHY it should give it.
Simply means that he can interact with non dimensional constructs. And the reason he should have it is the same one for the NEP interaction CRT for GER. I simply thought he was missing BDE interaction too and made this crt
 
I am here after discussing with @Chariot190 off-site.
so this one thread was accepted and I noticed that something can be added to GER which is Non physical interaction BDE type 1. considering time erasure erases not only time but space as well. could mean that the ability causes some sort of BDE type 1 effect and since GER was able to revert it as well talk to diavolo while in time erasure means that GER would have non physical interaction with BDE type 1
I was initially skeptical due to stuff in the Time Erase just blatantly not being erased, but Diavolo himself does say that "everything" disappears disappears during the erasure, which does make me think that the timeline gets erased entirely during the Time Erase, at least during those 10 seconds.

With that being said, to make stuff more coherent, I'd also make Diavolo's Time Erase something like this:

Elaborate WHY it should give it.
Diavolo's world should indeed be BDE 1 as it lacks space-time entirely, hence lacking dimensions. If you check the ability:

Beyond-Dimensional Existence is the state of existing beyond dimensions. In the majority of cases, this will be referring to characters who are timeless and spaceless. That is to say: A "beyond-dimensional" character does not take up any volume whatsoever, nor does it occupy a position in spacetime, nor does its continued existence trace a path through it. They are, as such, much different from 0-dimensional characters, who simply have no extension in any dimension and still occupy spatial location.

Actions happening in erased time disappear, proving that they're not part of the space-time continuum at all.

Type 1: Characters who lack spatiotemporal features entirely, while not actually being superior to them in nature. They are simply ontologically different from any dimensional construct, but can ultimately still be comparable to dimension-bound entities in terms of raw power. Due to being aspatial and atemporal, they are obviously immune to conventional Spatial Manipulation and Time Manipulation, and since they are not part of the spacetime continuum, they usually have Acausality (Type 1)

Diavolo is not making the timeline a Low 1-A construct (as that's BDE 2, which is actual superior to dimensions as a whole), but simply making it nonexistent, hence Type 1 as it's not superior to said dimensions. The name of the ability is misleading, yes, but blame DT not me lol.
 
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Seems redundant but if interacting with the lack of space-time gives that shit then it is what it is.

It would need to be worded specifically that RTZ effecting the world grants this tho, not Diavolo who is exempted (just so theres no confusion later on).
 
Seems redundant but if interacting with the lack of space-time gives that shit then it is what it is.

It would need to be worded specifically that RTZ effecting the world grants this tho, not Diavolo who is exempted (just so theres no confusion later on).
Would this give High 3-A to KC for the same reason KQ is? Or would that need another thread?
 
Would this give High 3-A to KC for the same reason KQ is? Or would that need another thread?
We already had that thread, Emirp made it I think, it's just dead atm, go bump it ig..
 
so this one thread was accepted and I noticed that something can be added to GER which is Non physical interaction BDE type 1. considering time erasure erases not only time but space as well. could mean that the ability causes some sort of BDE type 1 effect and since GER was able to revert it as well talk to diavolo while in time erasure means that GER would have non physical interaction with BDE type 1

Agree:

Disagree:

Neutral:
it's not that the BDE has to prove that it's independent of space-time, because it doesn't have an existence that's independent of space-time, I can even say that it's always linked.
 
I am here after discussing with @Chariot190 off-site.

I was initially skeptical due to stuff in the Time Erase just blatantly not being erased, but Diavolo himself does say that "everything" disappears disappears during the erasure, which does make me think that the timeline gets erased entirely during the Time Erase, at least during those 10 seconds.

With that being said, to make stuff more coherent, I'd also make Diavolo's Time Erase something like this:


Diavolo's world should indeed be BDE 1 as it lacks space-time entirely, hence lacking dimensions. If you check the ability:

Beyond-Dimensional Existence is the state of existing beyond dimensions. In the majority of cases, this will be referring to characters who are timeless and spaceless. That is to say: A "beyond-dimensional" character does not take up any volume whatsoever, nor does it occupy a position in spacetime, nor does its continued existence trace a path through it. They are, as such, much different from 0-dimensional characters, who simply have no extension in any dimension and still occupy spatial location.

Actions happening in erased time disappear, proving that they're not part of the space-time continuum at all.

Type 1: Characters who lack spatiotemporal features entirely, while not actually being superior to them in nature. They are simply ontologically different from any dimensional construct, but can ultimately still be comparable to dimension-bound entities in terms of raw power. Due to being aspatial and atemporal, they are obviously immune to conventional Spatial Manipulation and Time Manipulation, and since they are not part of the spacetime continuum, they usually have Acausality (Type 1)

Diavolo is not making the timeline a Low 1-A construct (as that's BDE 2, which is actual superior to dimensions as a whole), but simply making it nonexistent, hence Type 1 as it's not superior to said dimensions. The name of the ability is misleading, yes, but blame DT not me lol.
Basically what I'm arguing
 
it's not that the BDE has to prove that it's independent of space-time, because it doesn't have an existence that's independent of space-time, I can even say that it's always linked.
I mean it erased space time right? If so it would lack them thus being independent of it
 
I mean what is "it" in this context actually? It can't be the world, the world doesn't exist right, hence why effecting it is NPI? But the thing he is affecting in that case is bound to space-time, that's the whole point of restoring it. It it time skip itself? Maybe? Like what are we arguing GER interacts with to enable this?
 
I mean what is "it" in this context actually? It can't be the world, the world doesn't exist right, hence why effecting it is NPI? But the thing he is affecting in that case is bound to space-time, that's the whole point of restoring it. It it time skip itself? Maybe? Like what are we arguing GER interacts with to enable this?
Huh... idk what are you talking about, interacting with NEP shit is NPI lmao.

 
Not what I meant, I mean what are we saying he's interacting with here to get BDE NPI.
 
Not what I meant, I mean what are we saying he's interacting with here to get BDE NPI.
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I mean, given that both BDE and NEP overlap as they're kinda part of the same ability here, there's no reason why GER isn't getting both. After all, the BDE page does say that it's a form of incorporeality.

But yeah, I suppose that the "world" is what is being interacted with, if other stands can affect universal stuff like Gravity, GER also could with Fate.
 
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