The Master (Black Hat Rework 3 of 4)

[Half_Shiny]

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This CRT will be going over the new form of Black Hat and all that entails. Tier additions/reworks (for base form) will be the final CRT for Black Hat. Here is the new page that I will keep up to date that has all of the proposed changes.

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Black Hat (Villainous)

Black Hat is the leader of the Black Hat Organization. With his abilities he has created a cult-like organization which anyone can join for the price of a person’s soul. His past is mostly unknown and is currently retired. Tier: At least 2-B | At least 2-B, Likely higher Name: Black Hat, Charro...

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Black Hat’s true form has been referenced multiple times so I am here to prove its existence with the rest of the CRT and what it entails

Spoiler: The existence of this True Form (The Master)

• No one has seen its true face
• Black Hat is summoned and takes the form of one of his cult members

Spoiler: New Abilities

Abstract Existence Type 2 (avatar) This is an ability he already has with different reasoning

• Flug has referred to Black Hat as evil itself
• Demencia has referred to Black Hat as evil incarnate
• Crossover Pops has stated that: “I feel like all the evil in the universe is concentrated here and now”
  • This is even after fighting the universe's creation of pure evil, that was balanced out by his own existence
• The author has stated he is the embodiment of evil itself
• Has been described as the embodiment of evil by official sources

Abstract Existence Type 1 (The Master)

• Possesses people to create avatars, which heavily implies type 1 since all of them describe him as the physical manifestation of evil itself. With this form being the source of Black Hat himself.
  • Which is backed up by the fact Blackened Authors have been quoted as seeing visions of “evil beyond human understanding”
• Described as a being of “perfect and absolute darkness” and total darkness. With this being backed up by Alesa describing the place which was this form as “endless blackness”.

....and all at the same time, according to her, since despite only seeing darkness, a chaotic and terrifying recital was taking place in that endless blackness

Concept Manipulation type 2:

• Black Hat’s origin of chaos itself with his existence being threat to order (This is the origin of the clear image found in the ARG)
  • which is backed up by Alesa claiming him to be unfathomable chaos and Aldo going to describe the Master as Darkness, Fear, Order, and Chaos

“Entonces tuve una visión... Era el terrible y ominoso origen del caos en el centro del universo… algo que sólo existe en la oscuridad absoluta y en la destrucción total del orden…”

"Then I had a vision... It was the terrible and ominous origin of chaos at the center of the universe... something that exists only in absolute darkness and in the total destruction of order..."

"Everlasting is its flow of unfathomable chaos
of horrors and nightmares through the void
like black serpents in detestable procession
from the center of the pulsating and unholy cosmos..."

Higher-Dimensional Existence
It is stated and implied that a form of Black Hat exists outside of reality

“There are several theories about the origin of these dreams, ranging from a subconscious element that could be growing in mass, to signs of something terrible trying to invade our dimension and being collectively perceived through dreams…”

“…The end made evil did not come from within lit by hot crimson and blazing yellows But from the deep and malignant darkness that sleeps beyond the spherical orchards. When the dome is extinguished and the stars spill on the ground the great union will be formed in vain for it will be sustained by foundations of terror and blasphemies.

Be afraid

Be afraid because despite the great union
this will be the last lament
of all dimensions.”

• This is based on a character who can travel and has full access to the multiverse at all times so is referring to dimensions and not universes (where this form is)
• Once the dome is extinguished it will cause this form to become part of the great union, destroying all other dimensions by just its presence. This again points to the fact that he is outside of reality at this moment and via either large size or AP once this form is brought to reality it would be the end for all of dimensions.
• This is all rounded by the fact this place is described as nowhere and everywhere as well as being beyond the dimension may prove transcendence.

Chaos manipulation:

• is stated to be the origin of chaos and spreads chaos thought the cosmos
  

  "Everlasting is its flow of unfathomable chaos
  of horrors and nightmares through the void
  like black serpents in detestable procession
  from the center of the pulsating and unholy cosmos..."

Nigh-Omnipresence:

• Described as everywhere and nowhere. Being referred to as both the center of the universe and the unholy cosmos.

Alesa claimed that when she suffered from the illness that left her bedridden, visions and hallucinations made her see herself floating in the darkness, in the middle of nowhere... and all at the same time, according to her, since despite only seeing darkness, a chaotic and terrifying recital was taking place in that endless blackness

"Everlasting is its flow of unfathomable chaos
of horrors and nightmares through the void
like black serpents in detestable procession
from the center of the pulsating and unholy cosmos..."

• Described as all evil in the universe while visiting a different universe.
• Is stated to be omnipresent.
• Said to always be watching.

His voice was heard, and like the others, it was terribly guttural: "He will always watch you..." He declared.

Nonexistent Physiology: (Nature Type 1; Aspect Type 2 and 5)
Is no where and everywhere all at the same time


Immortality type 8 and 9 (avatar)

• Type 8; True form possesses his cult members or other types of creatures which create Black Hat. As seen here and here
• Type 9; Has been stated several times that he exists outside of reality

Spoiler: Master's Tier

Multiversal 2-B
His appearance in reality causes the end of all dimensions (which is +3556 in this case)

Spoiler: Misc Abilities

These are just abilities that needs changed are additions that do not relate to the rest of the thread

• Large size should be from 5 to at least 6
  • This is the context of the large size. It is currently listed at the size of a solar system and we can see a star being wrapped up in the size of this.
• Hacking (new ability)
  • Was able to hack Cartoon Network's signal
• Social Influencing: (Forced 5.0.5. to lose the capability of speech in an unknown incident, is a leader of an organization that creates evil on a multiversal scale, and is known for convincingly taking the roles of others with shapeshifting. While Crossover Aku was just darkness in space he grew to respect Black Hat, when Aku manifested a physical form he sought out the Black Hat Organization's products)
  • Just added more examples

This one is a lot less straightforward than my previous CRTs so I will attempt to explain anything if something gets lost in the explanation above. I don't have a lot of time atm so sorry if I give any late responses. Other than that I hope everyone is having a great day.

Edit: 4/16/25: Changed CM to type 2 from type 1. Higher-Dimensional existence has been changed to Beyond-Dimensional type 1, likely type 2
Edit 2: 4/19/25: Beyond-Dimensional type 1, likely type 2 has been given more explanation. With the starting of the CRT reflecting the possible change.
Edit 3: 4/25/25: Beyond-Dimensional has been changed to Higher-Dimensional existence. Accausality has been cut. Nonexistent Physiology has had type 2 added on. Tier has been changed from Unknown to 2-B due to the discussion.
Edit 4: 4/14/25: Added context for this statement, with the fact it was a clear picture found in the ARG. No additional arguments.
Edit 5: 5/27/25: Edit 3 was not properly implemented, no arguments have been changed

Agree: RigelBR7, Bobsican (disagree on CM), Tank1418, VeryGoofyToddler2, Greatsage13th, Finepoint (possible CM), ActuallySpaceMan42 (possible CM)
Neutral:
Disagree:

 

[RigelBR7]

It all looks great. I agree lets goo

 

[RigelBR7]

Bump

 

[Bobsican]

Spanish speaker here, let's see...

Honestly, while I think that type 1 CM is inappropiate here as the statements pushing for that just lean on Black Hat's true form being older than the universe, but the key thing is that it doesn't existencially sustain anything for that to fall as CM to begin with (if anything it'd be usable for some kind of Nonexistent Physiology), however, I think this is usable for something else as well I'll get into soon.


This scan is being used for HDE, yet it specifically mentions "all dimensions", so that combined with Black Hat being unbound from the cosmology would lead me to believe this is plain 1-A, and by extension this should downright be Beyond-Dimensional Existence. Being everywhere and nowhere at the same time, as well as being outside of reality would quite seal the deal.

Everything else seems fine.

 

[KaramcaS]

Concept Manipulation type 1:

• Black Hat’s origin of chaos itself with his existence being threat to order
  • which is backed up by Alesa claiming him to be unfathomable chaos and Aldo going to describe the Master as Darkness, Fear, Order, and Chaos

"1. Independent Universal Concepts: Such concepts are completely independent from the part of reality they govern, except maybe of other concepts of this nature. These concepts shape all of reality within their area of influence and at whatever level that area exists in, and everything in it "participates" in these concepts. For example, a circular object is circular because it is "participating" in the concept of "circle-ness". In this way, the alteration of these concepts will change every object of the concept across all of their area of influence, while the opposite wouldn't affect the concept."

I don't think it is suitable for cm1 at all. (It should be cm2)

Higher-Dimensional Existence
It is stated and implied that a form of Black Hat exists outside of reality

This is BDE1 not HDE

 

[Half_Shiny]

I don't think it is suitable for cm1 at all. (It should be cm2)

Thank you for the heads up it is now changed.

For Beyond-dimensional existence I agree that it should be changed 100%. I think I am honestly going with Bob on this as type 2 with him making really solid points. I am still a bit hesitant on tier 1-A for now so going to put him in Beyond-Dimensional type 1, likely type 2. This will easily change as and be contestable as the CRT goes on. When I get the time I will be looking more into 1-A and BDE because it could be huge.

 

[RigelBR7]

I also agree with the change to BDE and 1-A. It seems more appropriate, since their true form is outside of all cosmology, in the void.

 

[KaramcaS]

BDE2 is a hax that gives 1-A tier and requires a lot of detailed context.

Being outside of cosmology is not enough to give BDE2

not even a likley

Most probably the dimensions mentioned in "all dimensions" are the dimensions in the sense of the universe.

Being outside of this kind of thing is not even close to being sufficient for BDE2

 

[RigelBR7]

BDE2 is a hax that gives 1-A tier and requires a lot of detailed context.

Being outside of cosmology is not enough to give BDE2

not even a likley

Most probably the dimensions mentioned in "all dimensions" are the dimensions in the sense of the universe.

Being outside of this kind of thing is not even close to being sufficient for BDE2

It also encompasses and is above everything and nothing at the same time, and all other structures of reality and aspects of cosmology included. A place beyond and outside of everything, also seemingly beyond the "dome" that will be extinguished when its true form awakens. The dome can be referred to as the firmament, the heavens, and everything included within it, the very fabric of existence. A void beyond comprehension, beyond the dome, and outside of everything and nothing, can be configured as 1-A and BDE type 2.

 

[Tank1418]

นอกจากนี้ยังครอบคลุมและอยู่เหนือทุกสิ่งและไม่มีอะไรเลยในเวลาเดียวกัน และรวมถึงโครงสร้างอื่นๆ ทั้งหมดของความเป็นจริงและแง่มุมของจักรวาลวิทยาด้วย เป็นสถานที่ที่อยู่เหนือและอยู่นอกเหนือทุกสิ่ง ดูเหมือนจะอยู่เหนือ "โดม" ที่จะดับสูญเมื่อรูปร่างที่แท้จริงของมันตื่นขึ้น โดมอาจเรียกได้ว่าเป็นท้องฟ้า สวรรค์ และทุกสิ่งที่รวมอยู่ในนั้น ซึ่งเป็นเนื้อแท้ของการดำรงอยู่ ความว่างเปล่าที่อยู่เหนือความเข้าใจ อยู่เหนือโดม และอยู่นอกเหนือทุกสิ่งและไม่มีอะไรเลย สามารถกำหนดค่าเป็น 1-A และ BDE ประเภท 2

if it isn't 1A,I think it should be +1D right?

 

[Tank1418]

ว.

 

[RigelBR7]

if it isn't 1A,I think it should be +1D right?

No. It is different from a quantitative dimensional superiority.

 

[Tank1418]

No. It is different from a quantitative dimensional superiority.

ok

 

[Tank1418]

It also encompasses and is above everything and nothing at the same time, and all other structures of reality and aspects of cosmology included. A place beyond and outside of everything, also seemingly beyond the "dome" that will be extinguished when its true form awakens. The dome can be referred to as the firmament, the heavens, and everything included within it, the very fabric of existence. A void beyond comprehension, beyond the dome, and outside of everything and nothing, can be configured as 1-A and BDE type 2.

look interesting

 

[Tank1418]

bump

 

[Half_Shiny]

BDE2 is a hax that gives 1-A tier and requires a lot of detailed context.

Being outside of cosmology is not enough to give BDE2

not even a likley

Most probably the dimensions mentioned in "all dimensions" are the dimensions in the sense of the universe.

Being outside of this kind of thing is not even close to being sufficient for BDE2

I have attempted to adjust the reasoning more to better explain the reasoning for both types of BDE. The old reasoning was only for HDE so I believe this will give further context.

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Beyond-Dimensional type 1, possibly type 2
It is stated and implied that a form of Black Hat exists outside of reality

“There are several theories about the origin of these dreams, ranging from a subconscious element that could be growing in mass, to signs of something terrible trying to invade our dimension and being collectively perceived through dreams…”

“…The end made evil did not come from within lit by hot crimson and blazing yellows But from the deep and malignant darkness that sleeps beyond the spherical orchards. When the dome is extinguished and the stars spill on the ground the great union will be formed in vain for it will be sustained by foundations of terror and blasphemies.

Be afraid

Be afraid because despite the great union
this will be the last lament
of all dimensions.”

• This is based on a character who can travel and has full access to the multiverse at all times so is referring to dimensions and not universes (where this form is)
  
• Once the dome is extinguished it will cause this form to become part of the great union, destroying all other dimensions by just its presence. This again points to the fact that he is outside of reality at this moment and via either large size or AP once this form is brought to reality it would be the end for all of dimensions.
• This is all rounded by the fact this place is described as nowhere and everywhere as well as being beyond the dimension may prove transcendence.

 

[RigelBR7]

Bump.

 

[Tank1418]

Beyond-Dimensional type 1, possibly type 2
It is stated and implied that a form of Black Hat exists outside of reality

• This is based on a character who can travel and has full access to the multiverse at all times so is referring to dimensions and not universes (where this form is)
• Once the dome is extinguished it will cause this form to become part of the great union, destroying all other dimensions by just its presence. This again points to the fact that he is outside of reality at this moment and via either large size or AP once this form is brought to reality it would be the end for all of dimensions.
• This is all rounded by the fact this place is described as nowhere and everywhere as well as being beyond the dimension may prove transcendence.

I think you should make two choice. Beyond-Dimensional type 1, possibly type 2 look weird bro

 

[RigelBR7]

The part about encompassing everything and nothing, and all the pyshical and metapyshical plans plus out and above this, is possibly sufficient for type 2 BDE.

 

[Tank1418]

let's staff check this

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Existing outside of cosmology is not BDE at all.

 

[Tank1418]

Existing outside of cosmology is not BDE at all.
Beyond-Dimensional Existence is the state of existing beyond dimensions.
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It is stated and implied that a form of Black Hat exists outside of reality

• This is based on a character who can travel and has full access to the multiverse at all times so is referring to dimensions and not universes (where this form is)
• Once the dome is extinguished it will cause this form to become part of the great union, destroying all other dimensions by just its presence. This again points to the fact that he is outside of reality at this moment and via either large size or AP once this form is brought to reality it would be the end for all of dimensions.
• This is all rounded by the fact this place is described as nowhere and everywhere as well as being beyond the dimension may prove transcendence

Is it not enough?

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

BDE is not about being beyond dimensions in sense of worlds and realms. It is being beyond dimensionality. The character in question should lack the dimensions in order to obtain the ability. So, being outside of everything is just not enough.

 

[RigelBR7]

BDE is not about being beyond dimensions in sense of worlds and realms. It is being beyond dimensionality. The character in question should lack the dimensions in order to obtain the ability. So, being outside of everything is just not enough.

It is more due to the superiority of an ontological nature, since it encompasses and is beyond everything and nothing. Outside of all that it encompasses and also residing beyond it. Beyond being and non-being, existence and nonexistence, not subject to order and chaos, or duality, for it apparently precedes everything. An evil that sleeps beyond everything and precedes everything.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Encompassing and being beyond of everything just scales to whatever it encompasses. A simple analogy is a house that encompasses the room, being both beyond it and encompassing it: yet it does not have even higher dimensionality, nor does it lack it, it simply is larger than the said room.

I do recall cosmology being 2-B, I think, so encompassing everything will make this stuff 2-B, I think.

 

[RigelBR7]

Encompassing and being beyond of everything just scales to whatever it encompasses. A simple analogy is a house that encompasses the room, being both beyond it and encompassing it: yet it does not have even higher dimensionality, nor does it lack it, it simply is larger than the said room.

I do recall cosmology being 2-B, I think, so encompassing everything will make this stuff 2-B, I think.

It is not only beyond everything, but also outside of nothing itself. As proposed in CRT, it encompasses everything and nothing at the same time, existence and nonexistence, in an incomprehensible and endless darkness. Its true form sleeps beyond all this, where all other structures, dimensions, and duality are contained in the "dome" and "the spherical orchards." Another proof that he is not subject to duality is when he, of his own free will, creates unfathomable chaos in the void, which descends to the center of the cosmos. this same chaos that self-references itself at the center of the cosmos/universe, is capable of destroying all order. It is not subject to the concept of order, as it can destroy it, and it exists without chaos, as it creates it at its own pleasure. His true form contains, encompasses, and is beyond all of this. Aldo Maldonado refers to him as "fear, order, and chaos", which also proves that duality and these concepts come from him.. and in TF, is beyond these. The level of Cosmology does not matter if you surpass all its concepts, especially if you apparently created them. Residing in a void of superior ontological nature is also another piece of evidence of qualitative superiority.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Being outside of nothingness proves nothing. Anyone is beyond nothingness, even you are, because you, well, exist. Being outside of dual system is simply Nonduality. And even this needs a lot of context.
This is not sufficient evidence for 1-A, sorry. I would not say it is even close. I recommend reading official FAQ for more understanding.

 

[RigelBR7]

Being outside of nothingness proves nothing. Anyone is beyond nothingness, even you are, because you, well, exist. Being outside of dual system is simply Nonduality. And even this needs a lot of context.
This is not sufficient evidence for 1-A, sorry. I would not say it is even close. I recommend reading official FAQ for more understanding.

Yes, I have already read the FAQ. Being beyond a dual and ontological system is a qualitative superiority.

 

[Tank1418]

Encompassing and being beyond of everything just scales to whatever it encompasses. A simple analogy is a house that encompasses the room, being both beyond it and encompassing it: yet it does not have even higher dimensionality, nor does it lack it, it simply is larger than the said room.

I do recall cosmology being 2-B, I think, so encompassing everything will make this stuff 2-B, I think.

feat: "Be afraid because despite the great union
this will be the last lament
of all dimensions.”
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if 1A and BDE2/1 is rejected, I think it is 2A with this feat

 

[RigelBR7]

feat: "Be afraid because despite the great union
this will be the last lament
of all dimensions.”
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if 1A and BDE2/1 is rejected, I think it is 2A with this feat

It would be 2-A if there were infinite realities. Here it is completely outside the scope of 2-A.

 

[Tank1418]

It would be 2-A if there were infinite realities. Here it is completely outside the scope of 2-A.

in this verse dimension!=universe/reality?

 

[RigelBR7]

feat: "Be afraid because despite the great union
this will be the last lament
of all dimensions.”
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if 1A and BDE2/1 is rejected, I think it is 2A with this feat

In this specific work, it is something very ambiguous, both are mentioned and vice versa.

 

[Tank1418]

ในงานชิ้นนี้มีความคลุมเครือมาก มีการกล่าวถึงทั้งสองอย่างและในทางกลับกัน

ที่ปลอดภัยที่สุดควรเป็น 2A

 

[Half_Shiny]

BDE is not about being beyond dimensions in sense of worlds and realms. It is being beyond dimensionality. The character in question should lack the dimensions in order to obtain the ability. So, being outside of everything is just not enough.

I think there is evidence to show he is at least type one of beyond dimensional existed since the first example given was "....signs of something terrible trying to invade our dimension..." which thanks to the fact the base form has access to the entire multiverse, we know that this means dimensions and not realms/worlds. Was solidified it was the fact the dome was gone he would be able to come to reality, THEN all dimensions would be destroyed. Showing wherever he is located beyond said all dimensions. Which is what type one BDE is: "Characters who lack spatiotemporal features entirely, while not actually being superior to them in nature. They are simply ontologically different from any dimensional construct....".


You also mentioned Nonduality which after you and Rigel mentioned it to me sounds like a good fit as well. I think with the evidence in the possible Acausality type 4 should be the additional evidence that should push this over

Possibly Acausality Type 4:
Created chaos and threatened order itself. So is able to exist without chaos and is likely not subject to order

So which of the types of Nonduality where you thinking and is their anything I could do to help prove either BDE or Nonduality?

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

I'll answer this later. Since my Spanish sucks I will be in the mindset that the translation is accurate enough.

 

[Tank1418]

bump

 

[RigelBR7]

Bump. Could a possible manipulation of the void also be added here?

 

[Tank1418]

"It is not subject to the concept of order, as it can destroy it, and it exists without chaos, as it creates it at its own pleasure."
Should add cm resistance?

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

The answered points are what I disagree with. If I didn't answer it then I see it as fine.

Beyond-Dimensional type 1, possibly type 2
It is stated and implied that a form of Black Hat exists outside of reality

• This is based on a character who can travel and has full access to the multiverse at all times so is referring to dimensions and not universes (where this form is)
• Once the dome is extinguished it will cause this form to become part of the great union, destroying all other dimensions by just its presence. This again points to the fact that he is outside of reality at this moment and via either large size or AP once this form is brought to reality it would be the end for all of dimensions.
• This is all rounded by the fact this place is described as nowhere and everywhere as well as being beyond the dimension may prove transcendence.

This is Higher-Dimensional Existence. Dimension in the scan talks about a place distinct from the home dimension, not dimensions of space.

Nonexistent Physiology: (Nature Type 1; Aspect Type 5)
Is no where and everywhere all at the same time

You can also add aspect 2.

Possibly Acausality Type 4:
Created chaos and threatened order itself. So is able to exist without chaos and is likely not subject to order

I disagree with Acausality Type 4. You need to prove they function without causality or in a different system that isn't the standard “cause-and-effect.”

 

[RigelBR7]

The answered points are what I disagree with. If I didn't answer it then I see it as fine.

This is Higher-Dimensional Existence. Dimension in the scan talks about a place distinct from the home dimension, not dimensions of space.

This plane outside of cosmology does not appear to be related to a quantifiable dimension. It is implied that he is beyond the dome that encompasses the entire structure of existence of the entire Cosmology, to the point that he extinguishes everything when he wakes up, similar to Perpetua with the Source Wall. Another evidence of qualitative superiority is that this place encompasses and resides beyond everything and nothing at the same time. It can configure a superior ontological nature by existing in a void of darkness that encompasses being and non-being. The entire concept of existence and its physical structures seem to reside in the "dome" while beyond that resides emptiness and "nothingness."