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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

Strongest MS abilities based on overall combat dominance (Assuming Opponent is comparable in all other areas):
  1. Koto
  2. Kamui
  3. Ohirume
  4. Itachi's Tsukoyomi
  5. Kagetsuchi
Edit: The only reason I have Kamui over Ohirume is because, even by Boruto Standards, there is 0 ways to deal with Kamui and Kamui vs Ohirume is a no brainer... Kamui is superior.
 
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NeoKingOfLight said:
Strongest MS abilities based on overall combat dominance (Assuming Opponent is comparable in all other areas):
  1. Koto
  2. Kamui
  3. Ohirume
  4. Itachi's Tsukoyomi
  5. Kagetsuchi
Edit: The only reason I have Kamui over Ohirume is because, even by Boruto Standards, there is 0 ways to deal with Kamui and Kamui vs Ohirume is a no brainer... Kamui is superior.
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To be fair, with Kamui, whenever you reform, Ohirume would pull you in. Then again, the other eye would still counter.
 
SlendVeny said:
To be fair, with Kamui, whenever you reform, Ohirume would pull you in. Then again, the other eye would still counter.
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Exactly. I'm taking this as if both eyes are available (Which is only fair imo).
  1. Long Range Kamui counters the Orbs (Hell, even Close Range tbh).
  2. Intang makes it it so the Orbs can't touch you, thus the explosion won't affect you.
  3. S/T Transportation allows you to escape being trapped like Ryu was and still gives you movability.
Kamui vs Ohirume is not a fair fight imo, lol (And I see a lot of people saying it's the STRONGEST MS ability... Like... Calm down).

Likewise, as niche as it is, Ohirume can likely be countered by SukinaHikona and S/T Ninjutsu, like FTG, and Flight should give you some level of maneuverability in the air before it becomes too much (Small Window, but I digress).

You don't really have a Counter in the verse to Kamui sans Daemon's reflection, and that's only for the BFR aspects. Your only option to defeat Kamui is even more niche than Ohirume's. You have no choice but to strike-trade for a counter at a very minute instance.

All that to say, if you're going against an opponent that has one of these abilities, you likely ****** either way, but... It "technically" is easier for you to deal with Ohirume vs DMS Kamui. 🤷

And Koto just don't give af... 💀
 
So konohamaru can react and block hidari attack but was so much blitz by boruto blitzing matsuri that his eyes was still facing a different direction when boruto had finished ripping her apart. Isn't that a perception blitz?
 
NeoKingOfLight said:
Exactly. I'm taking this as if both eyes are available (Which is only fair imo).
  1. Long Range Kamui counters the Orbs (Hell, even Close Range tbh).
  2. Intang makes it it so the Orbs can't touch you, thus the explosion won't affect you.
  3. S/T Transportation allows you to escape being trapped like Ryu was and still gives you movability.
Kamui vs Ohirume is not a fair fight imo, lol (And I see a lot of people saying it's the STRONGEST MS ability... Like... Calm down).

Likewise, as niche as it is, Ohirume can likely be countered by SukinaHikona and S/T Ninjutsu, like FTG, and Flight should give you some level of maneuverability in the air before it becomes too much (Small Window, but I digress).

You don't really have a Counter in the verse to Kamui sans Daemon's reflection, and that's only for the BFR aspects. Your only option to defeat Kamui is even more niche than Ohirume's. You have no choice but to strike-trade for a counter at a very minute instance.

All that to say, if you're going against an opponent that has one of these abilities, you likely ****** either way, but... It "technically" is easier for you to deal with Ohirume vs DMS Kamui. 🤷

And Koto just don't give af... 💀
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It's too early to do this. This is just one of her eyes abilities. Let's make the comparison after both are revealed
 
karo_senpaii said:
So konohamaru can react and block hidari attack but was so much blitz by boruto blitzing matsuri that his eyes was still facing a different direction when boruto had finished ripping her apart. Isn't that a perception blitz?
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ye he blitzed konohamaru
 
Nierre said:
ye he blitzed konohamaru
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I don't think he did actually... At least not from point A to B. Due to the Shuriken, it's more likely he used FTG to get to Matsuri. So the feat is more likely a "FTG Slash" type of feat but with multiple slashes. Combat speed though is crazy.
 
Chapter 21 Question:

I do have a question as well.... So we know that based on how Ryu was attacked by the orbs, they are literally solid black spheres where objects can rest on its surface. It doesn't "Absorb". Are we to take the fact that since the Iron Sand wasn't layered onto of the orbs (Think, "Chibaku Tensei", spheres), the gravity caused the it into small particles?
 
NeoKingOfLight said:
I don't think he did actually... At least not from point A to B. Due to the Shuriken, it's more likely he used FTG to get to Matsuri. So the feat is more likely a "FTG Slash" type of feat but with multiple slashes. Combat speed though is crazy.
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Oh yeah, I guess you're right. I thought he teleported there using the shuriken and then blitzed them, but I didn't notice that Mitsuki said there was a piece on the floor. Does that mean they planned around that piece just in case they failed? It seems very coincidental Konohamaruu's battle happened to be RIGHT next to that piece unless Mitsuki saw it there and then told Konohamaru, and he then decided to stay around it just incase they needed to.
 
NeoKingOfLight said:
Chapter 21 Question:

I do have a question as well.... So we know that based on how Ryu was attacked by the orbs, they are literally solid black spheres where objects can rest on its surface. It doesn't "Absorb". Are we to take the fact that since the Iron Sand wasn't layered onto of the orbs (Think, "Chibaku Tensei", spheres), the gravity caused the it into small particles?
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Can you rephrase your question?
 
NeoKingOfLight said:
I don't think he did actually... At least not from point A to B. Due to the Shuriken, it's more likely he used FTG to get to Matsuri. So the feat is more likely a "FTG Slash" type of feat but with multiple slashes. Combat speed though is crazy.
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But konohamaru eyes was right on matsuri . I'm thinking he didn't take away his eyes from her when he was getting slaughtered so boruto at least had to have perception blitz konohamaru(so yeah short range combat speed I guess).

Thinking further I think boruto might have used shunsin immediately after using flying raijin. That's a crazy shunsin feat though
 
Nierre said:
Can you rephrase your question?
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Seeing as Ryu wasn't absorbed into the Sphere and only laid on top of it despite being crushed into it more and more, is it more likely the Orbs gravity simply crushed the Iron Sand into particles instead of absorbing it (As again, Ryu wasn't absorbed) because otherwise, it would be like Chibaku Tensei where the debris simply sits on top of the orb (Like Ryu).
 
karo_senpaii said:
But konohamaru eyes was right on matsuri . I'm thinking he didn't take away his eyes from her when he was getting slaughtered so boruto at least had to have perception blitz konohamaru(so yeah short range combat speed I guess).
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He looked at Boruto when he arrived.
karo_senpaii said:
Thinking further I think boruto might have used shunsin immediately after using flying raijin. That's a crazy shunsin feat though
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Its likely an FTG Slash Situation. Impressive in that he slashed her multiple times before she could finish his name while Konohamaru was still looking where he was.
 
Its Over 900-GIFs | Tenor
 
Honestly sarada's power just seems like a weaker and smaller Hado 90 with more versatility depending on what she can do with it(but who knows it can probably be more when we get the database info). plus if she gets another ability from her other eye it could complement or synergize better to elevate them.
 
Trihexa102 said:
Honestly sarada's power just seems like a weaker and smaller Hado 90 with more versatility depending on what she can do with it(but who knows it can probably be more when we get the database info). plus if she gets another ability from her other eye it could complement or synergize better to elevate them.
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Really? There was no other gravity manipulation in the entire series or any ability at all in the franchise you could compare it to. You had to cross over to bleach verse just so you can call it a watered down version of something?
Real nice 👍
 
karo_senpaii said:
Really? There was no other gravity manipulation in the entire series or any ability at all in the franchise you could compare it to. You had to cross over to bleach verse just so you can call it a watered down version of something?
Real nice 👍
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I mean it works differently from the one's in the series and the closest that came to how it works was hado's 90 in bleach as i saw a lot of people comparing them from different sites.
It seems you think am trying to downplay it or make it sound weak but that's not what i meant tbh, am just trying to give similarities, it could be even better and more potent than hado 90(as it seems more versatile) as it can improve plus there is also the database and her having another possible power.
 
Trihexa102 said:
I mean it works differently from the one's in the series and the closest that came to how it works was hado's 90 in bleach as i saw a lot of people comparing them from different sites.
It seems you think am trying to downplay it or make it sound weak but that's not what i meant tbh, am just trying to give similarities, it could be even better and more potent than hado 90(as it seems more versatile) as it can improve plus there is also the database and her having another possible power.
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It is more similar to chibaku tensei than hado 90. The only key difference between it and chibaku tensei is sarada has more specific control over hers to only focus on her actual target.

The only similarity it has with hado 90 is they both crush with gravity.
 
This is still a Blitz & OneShot. Yes, Mitsuki has to stop his attack to not hit Araya, but the Iron Sand still came from directly the way he was facing, on top of having Sage Mode Sensory.

I makes no sense imo to say this is potentially "off guard" given these factors.
 
NeoKingOfLight said:
This is still a Blitz & OneShot. Yes, Mitsuki has to stop his attack to not hit Araya, but the Iron Sand still came from directly the way he was facing, on top of having Sage Mode Sensory.

I makes no sense imo to say this is potentially "off guard" given these factors.
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You've watch demon slayer right? Remember when genya was about to hit tanjiro in S1 but giyu told genya to stop and wait for the master and that delayed genya enough for tanjiro to counter and headbutt him? Yeah that sounds like what's happening here to me.
 
karo_senpaii said:
You've watch demon slayer right? Remember when genya was about to hit tanjiro in S1 but giyu told genya to stop and wait for the master and that delayed genya enough for tanjiro to counter and headbutt him? Yeah that sounds like what's happening here to me.
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Too fuzzy for me to remember, but even then, there is nothing comparable to SM in Demon Slayer.

You would have to assert Ryu's Iron Sand still blitzes Mitsuki's Sensory Capabilities, while still coming from the direction he's facing.

So it would still be a Blitz and no, I do not accept this as an off-Guard feat. Like damn, every thing in this verse isn't an "Off-Guard" feat and trying to label this as one is really stretching it.
 
does it even matter if it's off guard or not? Ryu obviously scales above them all

they derive their scaling from him, not the other way around
 
So. based on Boruto's current arsenal, what do you think he's missing to fully round out things from a combat standpoint? Or rather I should say, would you like to see him with something else in an area you thing he may be lacking in?

I don't mean simply "In-Verse" either, but taking into account "any" verses match he could be placed in. I would like to see him show a more defensive jutsu tbh. Everything we've seen has been offensive sans FTG, which is more support than purely defensive.

Boruto with Barrier Ninjutsu would go hard tbh.
 
They should’ve developed her secondary abilities better. Sasuke, at the start of Shippuden, already had Kirin, multiple Chidori (lightning style) variations, summoning techniques (snakes), was skilled with a sword, and even had better genjutsu feats and proficiency, all with just a 3-tomoe Sharingan. Meanwhile, Sarada is being made overly dependent on her eyes, which she can barely use, and only has basic Chidori and Fire Style techniques.
 
As I remember now, in the war arc when Kaguya transported Sasuke to the sand dimension, after Obito and Sakura went to the main dimension and retrieved Sasuke from the sand dimension, Obito was able to return to the ice dimension from the main dimension using Kamui. Does this mean that Kamui is able to connect two dimensions together? Why didn't DMS Kakashi go to the ice dimension? I don't get it
 
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