"Now this is a formidable alien!" | Ben 10 vs Vlad Plasmius

[GeneralSol16]

Honoring 5YL, let's recreate that iconic fight between Danny's greatest foe and the Hero of the Universe.

• "Season 3" Vlad Plasmius and "Omniverse" Ben Tennyson.
• Vlad is on his High 6-B key, and Ben haa all his aliens except Alien X.
• Fight takes place on the Temporal Zone (5YL)
• Equalized speed.
• Both Ben and Vlad have basic knowledge on what the other can do.

Aiien Boy:
Ghost Man:
Incon:

 

[Arkansalter2]

????
Most of Ben's aliens are tier 5 to 4 in general.
Are we deadass?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

????
Most of Ben's aliens are tier 5 to 4 in general.
Are we deadass?

 

[Arkansalter2]

Maybe I'm missing something. Lemme read the other profile...
No... not missing anything...
Does any of Ben's aliens have NPI?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Maybe I'm missing something. Lemme read the other profile...
No... not missing anything...
Does any of Ben's aliens have NPI?

A lot of them do actually but I was more so memeing about the stat gap even mattering at all. Take a look at Danny Phantom's profile for his added matches and see what I mean.

 

[GeneralSol16]

????
Most of Ben's aliens are tier 5 to 4 in general.
Are we deadass?

Danny's character have AD, if u take a look to his matches, a lot of them start with him at his lowest point (Tier 8) against enemies up to Tier 5 or 4.

 

[ABSOLUTE-ABSTRACT-KING]

Following

 

[Spinoirr]

Danny's character have AD, if u take a look to his matches, a lot of them start with him at his lowest point (Tier 8) against enemies up to Tier 5 or 4.

or tier 2

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Probably should switch to season 3 Vlad because A Glitch in Time Vlad's Low end is becoming Low 2-C due to the new scaling thread that will be applied soon.

 

[GeneralSol16]

Probably should switch to season 3 Vlad because A Glitch in Time Vlad's Low end is becoming Low 2-C due to the new scaling thread that will be applied soon.

Usikg that version, who u think I'd win?

 

[GeneralSol16]

(Although Vlad being Tier 6 or 2 wouldn't matter that much imo, Ben's wincons would still be the same)

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Usikg that version, who u think I'd win?

Haven't checked Ben's stuff in a while so I can't say. I'll half to check his aliens again.

 

[GeneralSol16]

Haven't checked Ben's stuff in a while so I can't say. I'll half to check his aliens again.

I'm assuming u are not interested in this match at all

 

[LordGriffin1000]

I'm assuming u are not interested in this match at all

Not that. I've just been busy, work has taken up all my time mainly (that and heath issues)

So what are Ben's win conditions so I can check the respective Alien profiles

 

[GeneralSol16]

So what are Ben's win conditions so I can check the respective Alien profiles

Clocmwork - Time Manipulation (Stop and Rewind) BFR (temporal and mental).

Feedback - Drain him dry, attack reflection (the latter applies to both Chromastone and Diamondhead).

Don't know if Vlad resists Absolute Zero, Fear Manipulation, Dream Manipulation, etc.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Clocmwork - Time Manipulation (Stop and Rewind) BFR (temporal and mental).

Valid

Feedback - Drain him dry, attack reflection (the latter applies to both Chromastone and Diamondhead).

Feedback gets Overshadowed (Possessed) if he attempts to absorb Vlad's energy since it contains his consciousness/will. Attack Reflection isn't an issue since he can either dodge (either by moving or breaking down his body), teleport, deflect it, absorb it, block it,

Don't know if Vlad resists Absolute Zero, Fear Manipulation, Dream Manipulation, etc.

Absolute Zero gets countered by Intangibility (layered), Fear Manipulation is unlikely since ghosts are pure emotions on a abstract/conceptual level so unless the alien in question can manipulate it on that level I doubt it will do anything, and dream manipulation falls into Possession resistance and Vlad's level resistance would be on Danny's level at the time which is about 4 layers.

 

[Arkansalter2]

So this looks like a clockwork neg.

 

[GeneralSol16]

Valid

Just like in the comic, so peak.

Feedback gets Overshadowed (Possessed) if he attempts to absorb Vlad's energy since it contains his consciousness/will. Attack Reflection isn't an issue since he can either dodge (either by moving or breaking down his body), teleport, deflect it, absorb it, block it,

Wouldn't possession be counted by the Omnitrix? Zs'Skayr was unable to posses Ben, and he posses the mind and body

Absolute Zero gets countered by Intangibility (layered). Fear Manipulation is unlikely since ghosts are pure emotions on a abstract/conceptual level so unless the alien in question can manipulate it on that level I doubt it will do anything, and dream manipulation falls into Possession resistance and Vlad's level resistance would be on Danny's level at the time which is about 4 layers.

Toepick was able to scare Zomboso, who feeds on the emotion of fear itself.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Wouldn't possession be counted by the Omnitrix? Zs'Skayr was unable to posses Ben, and he posses the mind and body

DP ghosts possession is on a mind, soul, and body (molecular level), and Vlad's is layered, as it was potent enough to nearly overtake Danny's which at the time was about 4 layers of potency so you'd need to prove Zs,kayr's possession is layered enough to be comparable to Vlad's, and that's not counting Reactive Evolution.

Toepick was able to scare Zomboso, who feeds on the emotion of fear itself.

That's not the same. Emotions by default aren't type 1 concepts. Scaring someone that feeds on fear isn't the same affecting an emption abstraction that's conceptual.

 

[GeneralSol16]

DP ghosts possession is on a mind, soul, and body (molecular level), and Vlad's is layered, as it was potent enough to nearly overtake Danny's which at the time was about 4 layers of potency so you'd need to prove Zs,kayr's possession is layered enough to be comparable to Vlad's, and that's not counting Reactive Evolution.

Maybe one day, but damn.

That's not the same. Emotions by default aren't type 1 concepts. Scaring someone that feeds on fear isn't the same affecting an emption abstraction that's conceptual.

Aight.

Then, I think Vlad's WinCon would be Possession and Ben's would be Clockwork.

Maybe Upchuck could eat him and seal him in his dimension, as he has done a couple of times in OV.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Maybe Upchuck could eat him and seal him in his dimension, as he has done a couple of times in OV.

Vlad has to many ways to avoid Upchuck eating him.

What's the percentage of Ben using Clockwork? Because Vlad's is very high so I'm likely going to vote for Vlad since practically every other Alien is hard countered by Vlad's ghost physiology and will just get outright overwhelmed because of Empowerment/Reactive Evolution

 

[GeneralSol16]

What's the percentage of Ben using Clockwork?

100%.

Ben doesn't choose his aliens in Omniverse, the Omnitrix does, giving the best suited alien for any possible occasion, going as hard as doing it against the time paradoxes that didn't happen at all or against enemies never encountered before.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

100%.

Ben doesn't choose his aliens in Omniverse, the Omnitrix does, giving the best suited alien for any possible occasion, going as hard as doing it against the time paradoxes that didn't happen at all or against enemies never encountered before.

That doesn't make any sense. You just argued multiple other Alien's as if Ben would choose them but now you're saying he'd 100% be using Clockwork... That's not adding up. Regardless, Ben still needs to use the proper method because he'd likely get sneaked by several duplicates if he tries to single target Vlad.

Yeah I'm voting Vlad. Hard counters almost any Alien and Clockwork isn't even a definitive win because Ben would need to do the right action. Like if he opens up with those beams from his heads or chest, he's cooked because Vlad can easily avoid those.

 

[AigerTheKing]

Vlad FRA ngl

 

[GeneralSol16]

That doesn't make any sense. You just argued multiple other Alien's as if Ben would choose them but now you're saying he'd 100% be using Clockwork... That's not adding up. Regardless, Ben still needs to use the proper method because he'd likely get sneaked by several duplicates if he tries to single target Vlad

Aeguins several aliens is with the purpose of seeing which one is the most appropriate to win, and based in that, we see which one is going to be chosen by the Omnitrix. That's how it works

Yeah I'm voting Vlad. Hard counters almost any Alien and Clockwork isn't even a definitive win because Ben would need to do the right action. Like if he opens up with those beams from his heads or chest, he's cooked because Vlad can easily avoid those.

What? Even his time rays are Low 1-C in range, Clocmwork affected the whole Multiverse by just finding a beam to the sky, a singular beam.
He could just aim to any direction, and he's cooked.
Especially since Ben uses Clockwork to just slow down time and one shot Vlad, whick would be exactly the same.

 

[Johner2133451]

I think Vlad wins because of duplicates

 

[GeneralSol16]

I think Vlad wins because of duplicates

It's not like he starts with that ability.
Ben will start as Clockwoek and his most usef ability is Tier 1 in range.

 

[Johner2133451]

What is clockwork's time limit?

 

[GeneralSol16]

And how would that be an advantage? Ben has fought a lot of enemies with cloning abilites, or against various enemies at the same time, even as Clockwork himself.

 

[Johner2133451]

And how would that be an advantage? Ben has fought a lot of enemies with cloning abilites, or against various enemies at the same time, even as Clockwork himself.

Lord was arguing the duplicates able to hide and attempt ambush

 

[GeneralSol16]

What is clockwork's time limit?

Omniverse Omnitrix has a variable time limit based on if Ben's in danger or not.
Normally, it lasts around 10 minutes, but he has stayed as an alien for hours when fighting a member of Rath's race.

 

[Johner2133451]

I may have to vote incon here

 

[GeneralSol16]

Lord was arguing the duplicates able to hide and attempt ambush

I mean, how in character is for him to do that? And especially as starting move, how would he do that if just when the fight stats, Ben would be shooting Low 1-C layered time rays?

 

[Johner2133451]

I mean, how in character is for him to do that? And especially as starting move, how would he do that if just when the fight stats, Ben would be shooting Low 1-C layered time rays?

How does the time rays work

 

[GeneralSol16]

How does the time rays work

Ben can use them to send other into other universes, freezing in time, send their consciousness to the past while reverting them to their base and freezing them.
Clockwork has been able to rewind the Multiverse (which is L1C) with just firing a Time Ray to the sky, and Ben can hold the blast long enough to not only do that, but send a handful of evil versions of gim to other timelines.