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Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

Idk if other character profiles are locked other than these tier 1.
If i missed anything, plz do tell me. For now i have unlocked these.
 
MetaChronos said:
It is possible. She travelled infinite amount of times. Infinite amount of times could mean something like she travelled to a past where she didn’t exist yet which caused another branch. But branching does occur even without her interference. It’s based on daily life, doing this vs that in daily life, each act you do causes a different timeline. There was a theory about the is I’ll send that name later.

It is possible because of this. It is also stated that with enough power you can shove the paradoxes aside.

Probably not true. Chloe could do this before because of the mask scan.

Again. Infinite times could mean she travelled to the past where she didn’t exist yet, causing another branch where she did exist in that moment.

True but just going a little bit into the past still implies an infinite amount of timelines. Each timeline is constantly branching. In slime reader they say it branches at the same time. It is connected to that time theory I was talking about. And since Chloe travelled an infinite times, this theory is supported.
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The mask isn't a paradox in the sense of identity repeating, but a paradox in the sense that it's age surpasses the entire timeline in age. That's why diablo said it's age is older than him, who has been alive since before the timelines as a whole

Also, no, the first part (first pic) ain't possible since Velgrynd, who'd be stronger than Chloe in terms of existential force before Chloe got a god series US, still couldn't enter a timeline she had already visited

And, as said, she cannot manipulate how far she goes into the past. It's fixed
So that theory has no possibility of being true.
 
PHANtomFELdway said:
The mask isn't a paradox in the sense of identity repeating, but a paradox in the sense that it's age surpasses the entire timeline in age. That's why diablo said it's age is older than him, who has been alive since before the timelines as a whole
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True. I agree. The mask doesn't prove a paradox of identity.
PHANtomFELdway said:
Also, no, the first part (first pic) ain't possible since Velgrynd, who'd be stronger than Chloe in terms of existential force before Chloe got a god series US, still couldn't enter a timeline she had already visited
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The problem is existence value only implies that a person is more potent/present/stronger than a character overall (in most cases, don't take things like diablo into account he's a monster who lived basically forever). The thing is, power here means power to manipulate time, or travel in time, or something on the lines of that. Chloe's skill in time travel is higher than velgrynd as she had travelled infinite number of times. The age of the mask surpassing diablo's age, which can be scaled to higher than baseline eternity, can be said as infinity. These show the number of cycles she has relived to be infinite. Infinite number of cycles=infinite number of times she has time travelled, which can show that she has a higher level of time travel ability that velgrynd.

And it is stated that since timelines are constantly branching and are superimposed on each other, 2 chloe's could exist in the same timeline.

So it is possible, it isn't stated that she CAN'T enter a timeline where she has already existed, it is said in a general way. But i'm pretty sure it is not stated exactly if it works for her as well. I just use that MWI scan to assume chloe can travel to a timeline she already existed in.
PHANtomFELdway said:
And, as said, she cannot manipulate how far she goes into the past. It's fixed
So that theory has no possibility of being true.
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I see. Could you give a scan for that. I just want to confirm that.
 
Violatas said:
I know Phantom already responded but this first part is clearly hyperbolic for saying Chloe died and time traveled a lot.
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I don’t think so because there were mentions of that mask’s age being greater than Diablo, whose age is beyond eternity because he was born at the beginning of time and the cardinal world is a hyper timeline. There is a more detailed description but that’s the gist of it.

Mask’s age can’t be infinity unless the user’s age is infinity. Infinity is not relative here but true because gen Diablo himself says it. Chloe’s age can’t the infinity unless she has time travelled an infinite amount of times. There is also the part where she herself says rimuru has saved her from the infinite cycle of life and death. So yea, probably not hyperbolic.
 
TWILIGHT-OP said:
Idk if other character profiles are locked other than these tier 1.
If i missed anything, plz do tell me. For now i have unlocked these.
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Tensura Cosmology Page (Light Novel)

This explanation page will be explain cosmology of Light Novel continuity of the Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken, or Tensura for short.
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Magic and Skills (Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken)

Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken has two main sources of power, Magic and Skills. Both are divided into different levels, and different types. On one hand, magic has common abilities that are shared by all individuals that can use that type of magic, meanwhile Skills are, at least on the higher...
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Species (Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken)

Spiritual Lifeforms are characters in Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken, they are almost god-like existences that need only their mind to remain alive. They're a step above Demi-Spiritual Lifeforms and have transcended the body entirely, making them effectively immortal they are also known as...
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The first one is obvious, the other two should be unlocked for some things.
 
CodeCCLL said:
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Tensura Cosmology Page (Light Novel)

This explanation page will be explain cosmology of Light Novel continuity of the Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken, or Tensura for short.
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Magic and Skills (Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken)

Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken has two main sources of power, Magic and Skills. Both are divided into different levels, and different types. On one hand, magic has common abilities that are shared by all individuals that can use that type of magic, meanwhile Skills are, at least on the higher...
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Species (Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken)

Spiritual Lifeforms are characters in Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken, they are almost god-like existences that need only their mind to remain alive. They're a step above Demi-Spiritual Lifeforms and have transcended the body entirely, making them effectively immortal they are also known as...
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The first one is obvious, the other two should be unlocked for some things.
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Done
 
CodeCCLL said:
Can you lock again Rimuru Tempest (Web Novel), Rimuru Tempest (Light Novel), Tensura Cosmology Page, Veldanava (Light Novel)? These should remain locked despite not being Tier 1 due to popularity and frequent vandalism.
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Tensura Cosmology Page (Light Novel)

This explanation page will be explain cosmology of Light Novel continuity of the Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken, or Tensura for short.
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Rimuru Tempest (Light Novel)

Rimuru Tempest (リムル＝テンペスト, Rimuru Tenpesuto?), formerly known as Satoru Mikami (三上みかみ悟さとる, Mikami Satoru?), is the main protagonist of Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken. He is an Otherworlder reincarnated as a slime, and the sworn friend of the Storm Dragon Veldora Tempest. He is the founder and...
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Rimuru Tempest (Web Novel)

Rimuru Tempest (リムル＝テンペスト, Rimuru Tenpesuto?), formerly known as Satoru Mikami (三上みかみ 悟さとる, Mikami Satoru?), is the main protagonist of Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken. He is the founder and King of the Monster Country. Also known as the "Tempest of the Great Jura Forest," he is regarded as one...
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Veldanava (Light Novel)

Veldanava「ヴェルダナーヴァ Verudanāva」, known as Star King Dragon「星王せいおう龍りゅう Seiōryū」is the first True Dragon and the father of Milim Nava. Veldanava is the creator of the tensura multiverse and angels, he often doesn't get involved with situations or problems and leave that to his subordinates, he...
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@TWILIGHT-OP @Vzearr can any of u close these profiles?
 
Granblue Fantasy x Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Collaboration profiles have been posted. Those interested can take a look at the profiles from the crossverse section on the verse page.
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Rimuru Tempest (Granblue Fantasy)

Rimuru Tempest, transported to yet another world, the Demon Lord seizes the opportunity to explore the vast, blue skies above. This otherworldly soul, whether by fate or by virtue, is once again surrounded by a group of mighty comrades. With such a drastic change in environment, the way forward...
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The strongest Rimuru version in history.
 
CodeCCLL said:
Granblue Fantasy x Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Collaboration profiles have been posted. Those interested can take a look at the profiles from the crossverse section on the verse page.
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Rimuru Tempest (Granblue Fantasy)

Rimuru Tempest, transported to yet another world, the Demon Lord seizes the opportunity to explore the vast, blue skies above. This otherworldly soul, whether by fate or by virtue, is once again surrounded by a group of mighty comrades. With such a drastic change in environment, the way forward...
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The strongest Rimuru version in history.
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@TheGreatJedi13 I do not appreciate the wank.
 
Reiner04 said:
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CodeCCLL said:
Granblue Fantasy x Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Collaboration profiles have been posted. Those interested can take a look at the profiles from the crossverse section on the verse page.
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Rimuru Tempest (Granblue Fantasy)

Rimuru Tempest, transported to yet another world, the Demon Lord seizes the opportunity to explore the vast, blue skies above. This otherworldly soul, whether by fate or by virtue, is once again surrounded by a group of mighty comrades. With such a drastic change in environment, the way forward...
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The strongest Rimuru version in history.
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Grand Cross Rimuru chilling in the corner:
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Before I start volume 16, I have to ask, how reliable are the edited MTLs here?

I told Astral this so figure I may as well say here, but I'm working on a blog covering light novel canon Rimuru (so anime, manga and light novel obviously. No WN). Popping in this thread more to get thoughts on stuff regarding the verse
 
MetaChronos said:
True. I agree. The mask doesn't prove a paradox of identity.

The problem is existence value only implies that a person is more potent/present/stronger than a character overall (in most cases, don't take things like diablo into account he's a monster who lived basically forever). The thing is, power here means power to manipulate time, or travel in time, or something on the lines of that. Chloe's skill in time travel is higher than velgrynd as she had travelled infinite number of times. The age of the mask surpassing diablo's age, which can be scaled to higher than baseline eternity, can be said as infinity. These show the number of cycles she has relived to be infinite. Infinite number of cycles=infinite number of times she has time travelled, which can show that she has a higher level of time travel ability that velgrynd.

And it is stated that since timelines are constantly branching and are superimposed on each other, 2 chloe's could exist in the same timeline.

So it is possible, it isn't stated that she CAN'T enter a timeline where she has already existed, it is said in a general way. But i'm pretty sure it is not stated exactly if it works for her as well. I just use that MWI scan to assume chloe can travel to a timeline she already existed in.

I see. Could you give a scan for that. I just want to confirm that.
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MetaChronos said:
True. I agree. The mask doesn't prove a paradox of identity.

The problem is existence value only implies that a person is more potent/present/stronger than a character overall (in most cases, don't take things like diablo into account he's a monster who lived basically forever). The thing is, power here means power to manipulate time, or travel in time, or something on the lines of that. Chloe's skill in time travel is higher than velgrynd as she had travelled infinite number of times. The age of the mask surpassing diablo's age, which can be scaled to higher than baseline eternity, can be said as infinity. These show the number of cycles she has relived to be infinite. Infinite number of cycles=infinite number of times she has time travelled, which can show that she has a higher level of time travel ability that velgrynd.

And it is stated that since timelines are constantly branching and are superimposed on each other, 2 chloe's could exist in the same timeline.

So it is possible, it isn't stated that she CAN'T enter a timeline where she has already existed, it is said in a general way. But i'm pretty sure it is not stated exactly if it works for her as well. I just use that MWI scan to assume chloe can travel to a timeline she already existed in.

I see. Could you give a scan for that. I just want to confirm that.
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Chloe's unique skill is in no way superior. Both Chloe and Velgrynd had time travel skills, but Velgrynd clearly has a stronger one, not only cuz it's a God series US, but also because it has both space and time skills, not just time. It's range encompasses dimensions, not a single timeline.

And, it was developed by ciel, superior to Raphael (who developed the evolved version of Chloe's skill, yog Sothoth)

For what reason are you equating the amount of time travels to the strength of the skill? The novel presents no connection between this.

And again, hour ignoring the point, the whole reason why the mask can exist despite being a paradox is because it surpasses the timeline's age, not something like it having double identities (what Velgrynd and Chloe refer to at the start)

Velgrynd's case clearly says "in a timeline she has existed in", what are you trying to say where?
And yes, get that part translated, cuz it was said like that in Astral's translations. Tho I believe you said you'd already confirmed them via someone, if you hadn't confirmed that particular scan, do it again.

It's not that "two Chloes could exist at the same time" but "they could meet at the same time."

And at that point in the statement, there was no elaboration that contradictions aren't allowed. Later when it was indeed elaborated by Velgrynd that such contradictions, clearly because Velgrynd cannot even travel to timelines she already exists in.

That all confirms that the branching is an independent process unrelated to contradictions


Here are a few scans saying that she was repeating the same exact thing and couldn’t control it. I didn’t look hard.
 
Violatas said:
Before I start volume 16, I have to ask, how reliable are the edited MTLs here?

I told Astral this so figure I may as well say here, but I'm working on a blog covering light novel canon Rimuru (so anime, manga and light novel obviously. No WN). Popping in this thread more to get thoughts on stuff regarding the verse
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Id say very reliable, up to volume 15 is fan translations then 16 onwards is heavily edited mtl which is done for time
*turns out from Volume 13 (Chapter 3 and 4) Its is heavily Edited MTL but is reliable enough to be used for crts for a while now.
 
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PHANtomFELdway said:
Chloe's unique skill is in no way superior. Both Chloe and Velgrynd had time travel skills, but Velgrynd clearly has a stronger one, not only cuz it's a God series US, but also because it has both space and time skills, not just time. It's range encompasses dimensions, not a single timeline.

And, it was developed by ciel, superior to Raphael (who developed the evolved version of Chloe's skill, yog Sothoth)

For what reason are you equating the amount of time travels to the strength of the skill? The novel presents no connection between this.

And again, hour ignoring the point, the whole reason why the mask can exist despite being a paradox is because it surpasses the timeline's age, not something like it having double identities (what Velgrynd and Chloe refer to at the start)

Velgrynd's case clearly says "in a timeline she has existed in", what are you trying to say where?
And yes, get that part translated, cuz it was said like that in Astral's translations. Tho I believe you said you'd already confirmed them via someone, if you hadn't confirmed that particular scan, do it again.

It's not that "two Chloes could exist at the same time" but "they could meet at the same time."

And at that point in the statement, there was no elaboration that contradictions aren't allowed. Later when it was indeed elaborated by Velgrynd that such contradictions, clearly because Velgrynd cannot even travel to timelines she already exists in.

That all confirms that the branching is an independent process unrelated to contradictions


Here are a few scans saying that she was repeating the same exact thing and couldn’t control it. I didn’t look hard.
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I see. I was thinking experience could mean skill but I’m wrong in this case. She couldn’t control it.

The scan that astral sent was pretty much the same though. In slime reader is says “then perhaps having two Chloes at the same time was plausible.” Referring to not meeting but like existing in aTimeline.

I’m pretty sure the exact same life every time, and Chloe saying that she got sent back here a lot means the time. When she was sent back, there were different times when she was sent back. Everything could be similar but with minor changes. That’s how some theories that tensura has work. I can state the theories here but yes, I agree with all the other points.

MWI
The past they arrive in may seem identical but is fundamentally a separate universe.

Branching Time Theory (from Temporal Logic)
Returning to a point in the past means selecting one of its many branches, not necessarily the exact one you were in before. Overlapping pasts look similar, but diverge in outcome due to even minor differences.

Quantum Decoherence
Even identical-looking starting points have different quantum entanglements with their environment. These tiny differences evolve into noticeable changes over time — why the character may experience increasing instability or divergence with each return.

Yea these theories support (somewhat) that Chloe cannot return to the same exact past, but a variant of it which is very similar to the one which she was in before. A character cannot go back to a past where they have already been to when tensura has infinite timelines, that is just impossible amount of odds. It’s likely she was assuming it was the same world due to its similarities with another few timelines but some things are different.
 
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