Genshin hax removal.

[OmniScalator]

Yeah, I'm not saying genshin doesn't have type 2 info. I'm saying the arguments presented are inadequate as proof, they are 2 very separate things

See

As leylines are roots of Irminsul

Irminsul uses leylines to record information

And there are leylines outcrops too where you can generate mora(currency of teyvat) by using memories(resin).

Also traveler uses resin on petrified trees to fight enemies who are generated by leylines based on information which means Irminsul is able to create whole enemies from information, and just from information.

Also traveler fights bosses who are also generated by Irminsul using memories, which means irminsul can affect real world using information.

Also when raiden planted sacred Sakura it rewrote whole reality of Inazuma and it is literal statement, also sacred sakura also works by information manipulation just like Irminsul.

Also Irminsul doesn't work on Descenders because they most probably have Acausality type 1, type 2 and type 4.

So I think these are enough proofs of type 2 information manipulation I guess

If you need scans just ask.

 

[Shey]

Afaik, there isn't actual evidence for Infotype2, and Inversion of Genesis cemented that the Irminsul tree and Leyline shenanigans are only Type 1 even if the changes can affect the written history the changes never truly affect what actually occurred that being the entire purpose of said quest

 

[PedjaTarzan]

didnt garri himself nuke info 2 out of genshin?

 

[Furina003]

I won't comment at length anymore, Irminsul has all the information in the world, not just specific to an object, Irminsul even records the past and future such as the prediction that Fontaine will drown which has been recorded for a long time in Irminsul, this already refers to type 2 info, not type 1 info

 

[Furina003]

didnt garri himself nuke info 2 out of genshin?

Before the Ues Genshin page was launched, I suggested to Garri to remove type 2 info using the feat from HSR, and I suggested using type 2 info from Irminsul

 

[Furina003]

Except it's a change in the past through a combination of memory manip and info manip type 1. It changing books and notes does not support your argument, you're just grasping at straws trying to piece together incompatible statements and scans to get what you believe to be type 2 information manip.

No, you should better understand what type 2 info is. Type 2 info is not given because a character can change the world, it's not given because a character can change the past (whether through mass memory alteration or not) it's not given because you can make an area remember how it once was in the past through tools that literally record memories of all that happens. You're plain wrong it's as simple as that, because if you were right there would be a whooooooole lotta characters with type 2 info manip. Yet, these characters have completely different abilities why? Simple, because it wasn't type 2 info manip but another ability.

The fact that this literal statement is factually incorrect in of itself is hilarious. So you agree that information correlated to reality is type 2 info, but then you say that because leylines are fundamental that they would give you type 2 info manip by default? Anos (who has more overpowered hax than genshin would probably ever receive) is capable of directly manipulating the fundamental aspect of logic and order in Misfit of Demon King Academy. Guess what he has as a result? CM. You seem to seriously not be capable of grasping what type 2 info manip is. Like...it seems to be a genuine herculean task for you, I'm shocked and feel sorry.

No, this is again a case of you being wrong. There are characters capable of affecting reality with type 1 info manip, what are you yapping about?

Uhhh? Okay...then don't use counterarguments from the abilities page on the vs wiki site that do nothing but reference different fictions for all their abilities? What kind of argument is this? This makes no sense, that's essentially all we do on this site.

Except you haven't proven anything, and now you're flip flopping between your arguments. You say we aren't talking about time manipulation, yet your sole argument lies around the fact that the leyline can impact time...contradictory.

OK, I accept it, if the deletion done by Nahida is type 1 information, because after I think about it and understand your explanation, maybe I'm wrong. because Nahida only specifically deleted Rukhadevatta information, but I still don't agree if it is said that the information on leyline and Irminsul is Type 1 info because this is information that records the entire world, not specific to one person or one object.

 

[Shey]

Also traveler uses resin on petrified trees to fight enemies who are generated by leylines based on information which means Irminsul is able to create whole enemies from information, and just from information.

Untrue, Petrfied trees are merely irminsul roots you collect rewards from after completeing a Normal Domain, they do not create enemies
Gameplay Rules
"Upon completing a domain, use Original Resin at the Petrified Tree at the end of the domain to claim your rewards."
Original Resin
"Used to vitalize Petrified Trees and Ley Line Blossoms, allowing access to the treasures they hold."

Also traveler fights bosses who are also generated by Irminsul using memories, which means irminsul can affect real world using information.

the description for fighting Trounce Bosses which i assume youre referring to is "Relive the memories", they do not concretely manifest in the real world.
Dvalin
However, the memory of facing Dvalin in the sky amidst the storms is ever so vivid.
Relive your memories and once again partake in the battle. Maybe you'll learn something new.
Ahzdaha
Yet the memories of facing the sealed dragon in the heart of the earth itself remain ever so vivid.
Challenge it in your memories once more, and you may gain something new from that encounter...
Raiden
But behold, that thrilling battle at Mt. Yougou has been revived in the form of memories.
Relive her test once more, and you might just learn something new...
Childe
Still, the memories of your duel with Childe of the Fatui in the depths of the Golden House remain fresh in your mind.
Relive this duel, and you may yet learn something new...
Signora
Yet the memories of climbing the steps of Tenshukaku and engaging her in duel before the throne are still fresh in your mind.
Relive your memories of this duel, and you may learn something new.
Scaramouche
The obsession with godhood has burst like a bubble, disappearing like a daydream.
And yet when you step into the secret workshop beneath that breach, the memories of your battle against Shouki no Kami reemerge in your mind, fresh as the morning dew.
And so on and so forth

The Trounce battles are literally just the traveler fighting them in his head

Also when raiden planted sacred Sakura it rewrote whole reality of Inazuma and it is literal statement, also sacred sakura also works by information manipulation just like Irminsul.

Also Irminsul doesn't work on Descenders because they most probably have Acausality type 1, type 2 and type 4.

This just isnt true, Irminsul changes dont work on them because Irminsul does not record them, it is a fault of irminsul

 

[OmniScalator]

Untrue, Petrfied trees are merely irminsul roots you collect rewards from after completeing a Normal Domain, they do not create enemies
Gameplay Rules
"Upon completing a domain, use Original Resin at the Petrified Tree at the end of the domain to claim your rewards."
Original Resin
"Used to vitalize Petrified Trees and Ley Line Blossoms, allowing access to the treasures they hold."

the description for fighting Trounce Bosses which i assume youre referring to is "Relive the memories", they do not concretely manifest in the real world.
Dvalin
However, the memory of facing Dvalin in the sky amidst the storms is ever so vivid.
Relive your memories and once again partake in the battle. Maybe you'll learn something new.
Ahzdaha
Yet the memories of facing the sealed dragon in the heart of the earth itself remain ever so vivid.
Challenge it in your memories once more, and you may gain something new from that encounter...
Raiden
But behold, that thrilling battle at Mt. Yougou has been revived in the form of memories.
Relive her test once more, and you might just learn something new...
Childe
Still, the memories of your duel with Childe of the Fatui in the depths of the Golden House remain fresh in your mind.
Relive this duel, and you may yet learn something new...
Signora
Yet the memories of climbing the steps of Tenshukaku and engaging her in duel before the throne are still fresh in your mind.
Relive your memories of this duel, and you may learn something new.
Scaramouche
The obsession with godhood has burst like a bubble, disappearing like a daydream.
And yet when you step into the secret workshop beneath that breach, the memories of your battle against Shouki no Kami reemerge in your mind, fresh as the morning dew.
And so on and so forth

The Trounce battles are literally just the traveler fighting them in his head

This just isnt true, Irminsul changes dont work on them because Irminsul does not record them, it is a fault of irminsul

So what about drops you get?

They just pop out of memories?
It is type 2 information manipulation

Also it is literally said when Ei planted sacred Sakura that "reality is made whole new"

Also it is written as memories because type 2 information is real and memory

Trounce domain description"Trounce Blossoms are Ley Line Blossoms that symbolize mighty beings. The flowers that bloom from these living souls of extraordinary power usually require 60 Original Resin to revitalize and thus obtain their treasure from the ley lines."

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

See

As leylines are roots of Irminsul

Irminsul uses leylines to record information

And there are leylines outcrops too where you can generate mora(currency of teyvat) by using memories(resin).

Also traveler uses resin on petrified trees to fight enemies who are generated by leylines based on information which means Irminsul is able to create whole enemies from information, and just from information.

Also traveler fights bosses who are also generated by Irminsul using memories, which means irminsul can affect real world using information.

Also when raiden planted sacred Sakura it rewrote whole reality of Inazuma and it is literal statement, also sacred sakura also works by information manipulation just like Irminsul.

Also Irminsul doesn't work on Descenders because they most probably have Acausality type 1, type 2 and type 4.

So I think these are enough proofs of type 2 information manipulation I guess

If you need scans just ask.

There is no proof for them having acauasality type 1 or 2, 4 is debatable. As a consensus seems to have been reached, I don't have much of a reason to comment on this in particular anymore

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Type 4 would most likely be given to Descenders, but we should probably wait until we find out more about the other siblings since their Descendership (not an actual word but is what I'll use) seems to have been manipulated in some way, shape or form

 

[OmniScalator]

Type 4 would most likely be given to Descenders, but we should probably wait until we find out more about the other siblings since their Descendership (not an actual word but is what I'll use) seems to have been manipulated in some way, shape or form

Our sibling was never a descender to begin with


Only those are descender whose will rival the entire world there are many source but one can be this.

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

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[Shey]

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There should be an agreement tally in the OP

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

There should be an agreement tally in the OP

done.

 

[OmniScalator]

done.

I agree on first one but on others I disagree

 

[Puppet43]

Agree

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

bmp

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Did you guys have asked the staffs to come here?

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

didnt garri himself nuke info 2 out of genshin?

It was me

 

[OmniScalator]

It was me

I don't get why it is not Info manipulation type 2 tbh

It seems to be information manipulation type 2

But I am busy for now so I can't engage in some long debate

 

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[AsterReal]

After reading the thread I agree with everything, I am only neutral in the part of the Type 2 Information.

 

[Dog3352]

Causality Manipulation:

I agree with the removal of the causality manipulation.

Acausality type 4 removal:

I don't know if things have been added to remove aca type 4, but here it is:

Possibly Acausality (Type 4 [Resistant to Causality Manipulation, Fate Manipulation, Precognition and Time Manipulation]; Elemental energy is rumoured in legends to have existed before the concept of time was even established, making it unbound by the concept of time entirely. The Seven Sovereigns were the Elemental Dragons who originated from the Light Realm, a realm where the most powerful and prominent elemental beings originated. Their Elemental Authorities allowed them to be exceptionally attuned to their elemental affinity, making their being analogous to that of Elemental Lifeforms. Sovereigns can only be born from dragons who are elementally pure, therefore can only be born from entities fully consisted of elemental energy

The scan is talking about a monster known as Setekh Wenut, and both the first scan and the second scan are not LITERALLY talking about time (dimension) itself (past, present and future), the word “time” is being used to refer to before of the world being “reformed”, from the time when dragons dominated the world (old world) to the current world (evidenced by the fact that the statement itself says that the time “before time was created” was the time in which it lived with his progenitors/7 primordial dragons and with the "lord of plants"/Apep, which was the time of the ancient world), the current world being the “beginning of time” and “after the concept of time was created”, and the ancient world being the opposite of this, this is quite obvious since both the world and the Setekh Wenut existed before what is mentioned as the “beginning of time”, this is written in the scan itself.

EE and Info 2 removal:

Yes, the EE thing should be removed, since it has never happened that someone erased the existence of something through Irminsul, what Irminsul does is erase the events of history, erasing them from things like books, people's memories, etc. But Irminsul does not actually erase people, objects or events, everything that is erased by Irminsul still exists. In fact, Genshin fans have made this very clear here (I recommend reading the entire "modifications" section to fully understand).

Causality and Fate Manipulation removal:

I agree with the removal of these skills for the Archons, they never demonstrated such ability.

 

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[Reiner04]

Causality manp and Aca can go, for rest, I agree with @Furina003

irminsul was even able to erase records in books "To accommodate the loss of information, anything pertaining to information that belongs to the world of Teyvat may be changed, ranging from people's memories to physical objects such as books and letters",

Rukhadevatta said that erasing himself would cause a paradox,
Paimon: Oh no... How could that happen...
Nahida: I've experienced that pain in your consciousness. It must've been a horrible experience.
Greater Lord Rukkhadevata: Yes, but my feelings weren't important. The important thing was that...
Greater Lord Rukkhadevata: Even if I died, my existence and everything related to me would continue to exist in Irminsul as memories and knowledge, meaning that the forbidden knowledge couldn't ever be permanently eradicated.
Greater Lord Rukkhadevata: And... there's no way for me to eliminate myself. It would be a sort of paradox.
Greater Lord Rukkhadevata: So, I took the purest branch of Irminsul as my incarnation in the next samsara, and left a trail of clues...
Greater Lord Rukkhadevata: All in hopes that you would come here and remove me and my pollution from Irminsul forever.
that's why he created Nahida as a reincarnation to prevent this paradox.

the information in the leyline is type 2 information, that's why if you change the leyline it will change reality itself.

Did you know that Digenshin has 3 levels of destiny?

Fate or ancient people of remurian called as fortuna, it's something oftenly stated and important thing in genshin impact. Fate or fortuna is describe as countless music string that heavily attached to cause and effect and bound to the skies, which ruled the world, was woven from countless fibers, like the strings of a harp. Strings that resonate with the majestic music, while discord would destroy the fabric of the universe, and oftenly associated with constellation even though "the stars" Are merely show the fate not having it, explain why reading through the stars would reveal fates of peoples.

To simply put, there's three level of fates or "music" exist. Musica mundana, musica humana, and musica instrumentalis. Musica mundana represents universal fate, ruling the entire universe, it's describe as music origin that all come from and all shall return, the "rules" That govern all thing, and everything that operate in universe is follow this rules. Musica humana is music that rules mortal world and gods, akin to phobos, regulating every single physical entity including human and gods fate. Musica instrumentalis is like a symphony created by Remus, where humans control their own destiny.
Mundana music is supreme and able to control the two destinies beneath it. However, the two lower forms of music cannot alter Musica mundana.


neuvillette is not even tied to the constellations, which is the fate system that governs teyvat

 

[Dog3352]

Causality manp and Aca can go, for rest, I agree with @Furina003

Shouldn't EE still leave? Deleting something from Irminsul does not erase reality, only changes things like stories and erases memories about such things.

Yes, the EE thing should be removed, since it has never happened that someone erased the existence of something through Irminsul, what Irminsul does is erase the events of history, erasing them from things like books, people's memories, etc. But Irminsul does not actually erase people, objects or events, everything that is erased by Irminsul still exists. In fact, Genshin fans have made this very clear here (I recommend reading the entire "modifications" section to fully understand).

Paimon: Oh no... How could that happen...
Nahida: I've experienced that pain in your consciousness. It must've been a horrible experience.
Greater Lord Rukkhadevata: Yes, but my feelings weren't important. The important thing was that...
Greater Lord Rukkhadevata: Even if I died, my existence and everything related to me would continue to exist in Irminsul as memories and knowledge, meaning that the forbidden knowledge couldn't ever be permanently eradicated.
Greater Lord Rukkhadevata: And... there's no way for me to eliminate myself. It would be a sort of paradox.
Greater Lord Rukkhadevata: So, I took the purest branch of Irminsul as my incarnation in the next samsara, and left a trail of clues...
Greater Lord Rukkhadevata: All in hopes that you would come here and remove me and my pollution from Irminsul forever.
that's why he created Nahida as a reincarnation to prevent this paradox.

Just to speak, the thing of the 'paradox' is not literal, Rukkha said "it would be a kind of paradox ', she compared with a paradox because it would be the same in a way, because if Rukkha were erased from the stories/memories of all, no one would have done the actions she did in the past, which would create a' hole in the plot" of the story, Nahida is in Rukkha's place in the stories so that the story keeps making sense.

 

[Dog3352]

Did you know that Digenshin has 3 levels of destiny?

Fate or ancient people of remurian called as fortuna, it's something oftenly stated and important thing in genshin impact. Fate or fortuna is describe as countless music string that heavily attached to cause and effect and bound to the skies, which ruled the world, was woven from countless fibers, like the strings of a harp. Strings that resonate with the majestic music, while discord would destroy the fabric of the universe, and oftenly associated with constellation even though "the stars" Are merely show the fate not having it, explain why reading through the stars would reveal fates of peoples.

To simply put, there's three level of fates or "music" exist. Musica mundana, musica humana, and musica instrumentalis. Musica mundana represents universal fate, ruling the entire universe, it's describe as music origin that all come from and all shall return, the "rules" That govern all thing, and everything that operate in universe is follow this rules. Musica humana is music that rules mortal world and gods, akin to phobos, regulating every single physical entity including human and gods fate. Musica instrumentalis is like a symphony created by Remus, where humans control their own destiny.
Mundana music is supreme and able to control the two destinies beneath it. However, the two lower forms of music cannot alter Musica mundana.

By the way, I wasn't even going to mention anything, but since no one talked about it, I'm going to talk.

@Reiner04, I would like you to look at this before.



Mundana Music:

Mundana Music is the source music, it defines the elements, the passage of time, etc. The universe itself is operated by worldly music.

...There are three categories of music in this world. One the Musica Mundana, another the Musica Humana, and the third the Musica Instrumentalis...

...The Musica Mundana is the music of origin. It is the beginning and end of all music; from it does all spring, and to it shall all return. False and true celestial signs (namely, the inner and outer, lower and upper astrological signs.
Euergetia will provide a detailed explanation of this section), the turning of the seasons and passing of time, the defined elements, everything in the universe operations according to the order of music..

Mundana Music and Fortune are two different things, but they have a connection between each other, Mundana Music does not include Fortune, but Fortune includes Mundana Music. So much so that any music related to Fortune/Fate is called "Mundana Music".

...Here, special attention should be paid to the connection between the Musica Mundana and Fortuna. The latter includes the former, while the former does not equate to the latter. Any music with specifications similar to Fortuna can be called Musica Mundana, for it itself would be equal to an entire world...

...Just as Cassiodor taught you before, the "Fortuna" we speak of here and the Sebastos's have no... ...latter is named for the former, while the former is the "rules" that governs all things, the "fate" of which slaves speak...

Música Instrumental:

Well, instrumental music is apparently only the music that people play, since nothing is talked about about it in all this.

Humana Música:

...Musica Humana is the music of the world of mortals. The music of mortals and gods are no different from one another, and both can be classified in this category, for their essence is that of the harmony produced by the Musica Mundana striking the Quality of the Soul...

..Imagine a harp, where every physical entity in the world corresponds to a single one of its fine strings... Magnificent music comes not from a single string, but the resonance of all strings... This is the music we call Musica Mundana...

..As your fingers glide across the ends of the strings, the middle section will vibrate along with it, creating a sound most pleasing.
However, you did not touch the middle of the strings at all, and the reason it sounds is simply because it's attached to..

Human music is the music of mortals, both the music of mortals and that of the gods are classified as human music, the essence of human music is "that of harmonization produced by worldly music reaching the quality of the soul." Each physical entity in the world (obviously including the gods, as they categorize as human music) represents "a single string of a harp," while worldly music represents "all the strings of the harp.", and the problem here? This level has nothing to do with Fate, nothing is said about this song dictate/imposing fate or anything like that, it is just said that it categorizes both the gods and humans, so to say that this song dictates the fate of the human world when this is never said is nothing but fallacy.

Summary:

Mundana music really dictates/imposes fate, just as it is the origin of everything, it is related to the rules of the universe, be it passage of time, constellations, elements, etc.
Humana Musica is the music of the deadly world, it categorizes both gods and humans, this song represents "just a line of a harp," Mundana Music represents "the entire line of a harp." Nothing is said about dictating fate in the human world or anything, the only song that dictates/imposes fate is Mundana Music, scan himself says that "any music linked to fortune (fate) is classified as Mundana Music", which means that only Mundana Music imposes/dictates fate, as human music is not classified as Mundana Music.

So no, there are no 3 levels of Fate, just a single thing dictates/imposes fate, and this is Mundana Musica, and the gods are not beyond it.

 

[Reiner04]

Shouldn't EE still leave? Deleting something from Irminsul does not erase reality, only changes things like stories and erases memories about such things.


Just to speak, the thing of the "paradox" is not literal, Rukkha said "it would be a sort of paradox", she compared with a paradox because it would be the same in a way, because if Rukkha were erased from the stories/memories of all, there would be no one in the story, what would create a "hole in the plot" of the story, so there is no place in place Rukkha in history so that the story keeps making sense.

By the way, I wasn't even going to mention anything, but since no one talked about it, I'm going to talk.

@Reiner04, I would like you to look at this before.

Mundana Music:

Mundana Music is the source music, it defines the elements, the passage of time, etc. The universe itself is operated by worldly music.

Mundana Music and Fortune are two different things, but they have a connection between each other, Mundana Music does not include Fortune, but Fortune includes Mundana Music. So much so that any music related to Fortune/Fate is called "Mundana Music".


Música Instrumental:

Well, instrumental music is apparently only the music that people play, since nothing is talked about about it in all this.

Humana Música:


Humana music actually categorizes both humans and gods, even though it is the music of the deadly world, what does they mean that both are in this "level", and the problem here? This level has nothing to do with Fate, nothing is said about this song dictate/imposing fate or anything like that, it is just said that it categorizes both the gods and humans, so to say that this song dictates the fate of the human world when this is never said is nothing but fallacy.

Summary:

Mundana music really said/imposes fate, just as it is the origin of everything, it is related to the rules of the universe, be it passage of time, constellations, elements, etc.
Human music is the music of the deadly world, it categorizes both gods and humans, this song represents "just a line of a harp," while worldly music represents "the entire line of a harp." Nothing is said about dictating fate in the human world or anything, the only song that dictates/imposes fate is worldly music, Scan himself says that "any music linked to fortune (destination) is classified as worldly music", which means that only worldly music imposes/dictates fate, as human music is not classified as worldly music.

So no, there are no 3 levels of Fate, just a single thing called/imposes fate, and this is worldly music, and the gods are not beyond it.

Guess EE and Fate can go then.

 

[Furina003]

Guess EE and Fate can go then.

By the way, I wasn't even going to mention anything, but since no one talked about it, I'm going to talk.

@Reiner04, I would like you to look at this before.



Mundana Music:

Mundana Music is the source music, it defines the elements, the passage of time, etc. The universe itself is operated by worldly music.

Mundana Music and Fortune are two different things, but they have a connection between each other, Mundana Music does not include Fortune, but Fortune includes Mundana Music. So much so that any music related to Fortune/Fate is called "Mundana Music".


Música Instrumental:

Well, instrumental music is apparently only the music that people play, since nothing is talked about about it in all this.

Humana Música:


Human music is the music of mortals, both the music of mortals and that of the gods are classified as human music, the essence of human music is "that of harmonization produced by worldly music reaching the quality of the soul." Each physical entity in the world (obviously including the gods, as they categorize as human music) represents "a single string of a harp," while worldly music represents "all the strings of the harp.", and the problem here? This level has nothing to do with Fate, nothing is said about this song dictate/imposing fate or anything like that, it is just said that it categorizes both the gods and humans, so to say that this song dictates the fate of the human world when this is never said is nothing but fallacy.

Summary:

Mundana music really dictates/imposes fate, just as it is the origin of everything, it is related to the rules of the universe, be it passage of time, constellations, elements, etc.
Humana Musica is the music of the deadly world, it categorizes both gods and humans, this song represents "just a line of a harp," Mundana Music represents "the entire line of a harp." Nothing is said about dictating fate in the human world or anything, the only song that dictates/imposes fate is Mundana Music, scan himself says that "any music linked to fortune (fate) is classified as Mundana Music", which means that only Mundana Music imposes/dictates fate, as human music is not classified as Mundana Music.

So no, there are no 3 levels of Fate, just a single thing dictates/imposes fate, and this is Mundana Musica, and the gods are not

Phobos

Phobos, also referred to as the Grand Symphony, was created as Remus' plan to avert the prophecy of Fontaine and free humanity from their predetermined destiny, which Remurians called "Fortuna." However, instead of leading Remurians to everlasting glory, it led the nation to its demise...

genshin-impact.fandom.com

You are wrong here, if you have really completed the Remuria quest, you should know that Remuria managed to create Phobos as a destiny system in Remuria which was originally to deny the destiny of the sky, but in the end Phobos did not deny the destiny of the sky, instead he became the cause of the realization of the destiny of the sky.

 

[Dog3352]

Phobos

Phobos, also referred to as the Grand Symphony, was created as Remus' plan to avert the prophecy of Fontaine and free humanity from their predetermined destiny, which Remurians called "Fortuna." However, instead of leading Remurians to everlasting glory, it led the nation to its demise...

genshin-impact.fandom.com

You are wrong here, if you have really completed the Remuria quest, you should know that Remuria managed to create Phobos as a destiny system in Remuria which was originally to deny the destiny of the sky, but in the end Phobos did not deny the destiny of the sky, instead he became the cause of the realization of the destiny of the sky.

And is that evidence for what?

Even if Mundana Music and Humana Music were 2 different levels of fate, the gods are also characterized in Humana Music, so they would still be trapped for fate.

 

[Furina003]

no gods can`t escape fate literally next scan on another power talk about it.

Besides the whole deal with remus is him unable to escape fate and they are talking about the fortuna project. It is not something gods can do.

Evidence for this

Shouldn't EE still leave? Deleting something from Irminsul does not erase reality, only changes things like stories and erases memories about such things.


Just to speak, the thing of the 'paradox' is not literal, Rukkha said "it would be a kind of paradox ', she compared with a paradox because it would be the same in a way, because if Rukkha were erased from the stories/memories of all, no one would have done the actions she did in the past, which would create a' hole in the plot" of the story, Nahida is in Rukkha's place in the stories so that the story keeps making sense.

Ee must be replaced with type 2 information erasure