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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

Deceived3596 said:
Reminds me of a certain someone...
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Samlex1234 said:
Whew, almost got trapped there—

Not that I’m afraid of sharing all my god-tier scalings and justifications (we can always discuss that privately), but I was genuinely about to lay all my cards on the table. Luckily, a good friend pulled me back to my senses. That said, I might still drop a few gems here and there.
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you can always dm me in private if u don't feel comfortable sharing it publicly here, up to you tho.

thanks for sharing, pretty reasonable all things considered, though in terms of tiering y'all have them far beyond tier 4 which is hella puzzling to me but disregarding that ur evaluation of the power scaling isn't even that crazy tbh
 
Nierre said:
thanks for sharing, pretty reasonable all things considered, though in terms of tiering y'all have them far beyond tier 4 which is hella puzzling to me
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Outside the wiki, people go absolutely wild with their Metas pushing for the best and highest possible interpretations and sometimes wanking it to the extreme. Meanwhile, the wiki tends to stay conservative, usually sticking to lowball or midball evaluation of the feat. LOL, some Dragon Ball fans out there genuinely think Goku is outerversal. Bleach fans I’ve debated or spoken with often scale way higher than the wiki does. Even our very own Alan jia is a different man outside the wiki💀. And on Twitter Naruto fans are in a whole other dimension “Shinra Bansho this, Shinra Bansho that.” It’s the wild, wild west out there.
 
Samlex1234 said:
Outside the wiki, people go absolutely wild with their Metas pushing for the best and highest possible interpretations and sometimes wanking it to the extreme. Meanwhile, the wiki tends to stay conservative, usually sticking to lowball or midball evaluation of the feat. LOL, some Dragon Ball fans out there genuinely think Goku is outerversal. Bleach fans I’ve debated or spoken with often scale way higher than the wiki does. Even our own Alan jia is a different man outside the wiki💀. And on Twitter Naruto fans are in a whole other dimension “Shinra Bansho this, Shinra Bansho that.” It’s the wild, wild west out there.
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Outside of the Wiki I'm very, very disconnected to power-scaling in general, I don't follow or watch anything regarding powerscaling but moreso just chapter reviews, character reviews, inverse scaling yada yada, so I don't interact with those people at all lol.

I follow Boruto and Naruto related stuff on Twitter and occasionally will see Ghost which is really funny lol
 
tbh twitter naruto scalers just piggyback off of whatever they get told is the right wank
twitter bleach scalers is uhh lol
most twitter goku scalers are cavemen whos ooga booga mindset see universe destruction statement and push goku at 3a without having the brains to understand the tier 2 stuff and love throating the hell out of toei king vegeta feat
twitter op scalers cant scale, they're meme merchants
 
Nierre said:
Outside of the Wiki I'm very, very disconnected to power-scaling in general, I don't follow or watch anything regarding powerscaling but moreso just chapter reviews, character reviews, inverse scaling yada yada, so I don't interact with those people at all lol.

I follow Boruto and Naruto related stuff on Twitter and occasionally will see Ghost which is really funny lol
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Ghost outside the wiki(💀💀💀). Honestly, I think only a small handful of us who actually powerscale still rely on the wiki. Most fans are on other platforms. Personally, I enjoy character and chapter reviews on YouTube, and I’ll check Twitter every now and then mainly for Boruto content, but not too often.
 
Samlex1234 said:
Whew, almost got trapped there—

Not that I’m afraid of sharing all my god-tier scalings and justifications (we can always discuss that privately), but I was genuinely about to lay all my cards on the table. Luckily, a good friend pulled me back to my senses. That said, I might still drop a few gems here and there.

When we talk about god-tiers, I think the term is thrown around far too loosely. Personally, I don’t believe any god-tier character from Naruto Shippuden besides Kaguya truly qualifies as god-tier by Boruto standards.


Sure, there may be some nuance in the relativity between Boruto god-tiers, but the power gap between them and Shippuden-era characters is very clear.

Hagoromo Scaling

Since Hagoromo fought the Ten Tails (not really Kaguya), I’d place Young Hagoromo ≈ Ten Tails.

Side note: I believe the calc we have for the lifting feat is a lowball and doesn’t match the narrative description. Honestly, using the anime version shouldn't be unreasonable (I have seen other verses do this on the Wiki) but I digress.

Regardless of whether it was young or old Hagoromo who performed the feat, both would still be weaker than his prime self. That’s because Prime Hagoromo = at least Young Hagoromo + Ten Tails, making him twice as strong—since he was already relative to the Ten Tails before absorbing it (Kinda like Momo + Kinshiki).

So:
Prime Hagoromo = At least (Lifting Feat × 2)

Madara, after becoming the Ten Tails’ Jinchūriki, should be close to Prime Hagoromo and stronger or relative to young/old Hago.

Jubidara (1 Rinnegan) = At least Lifting Feat level

Also consider: the Ten Tails may have grown stronger over time. Combined with Madara’s massive chakra reserves and a potentially more powerful Ten Tails, he could easily make up for the missing half of Kurama.

And since:
Full Ten Tails ≈ Young Hagoromo,

Then starting from One-Eyed Jubidara and up (excluding Kaguya), characters should scale to at least 5-B (based on Arc TonyRomo’s calc), with room for far highers as the chain builds, ultimately stopping at Kaguya.

Kaguya and Beyond
When comparing Kaguya to Boruto god-tiers, it’s honestly not close they completely outclass every Naruto god-tier.

Thus, Just as we scale characters on Hagoromo’s level to feats he performed casually, we should apply the same standard to Kaguya and everyone on or above her level scaling them to the ETSO energy output.

The idea that Kaguya, with near-perfect (if not perfect) chakra control, somehow can’t use even 1% of 1% of the energy required to destroy her dimension as an amp during combat is… a reach.

To sum up:
I’m fine with the current rating of the ETSO, but Kaguya and all Boruto-era god-tiers who scale to or surpass her should scale to the EPS level.

As for Shibai, that’s a separate case. But putting him at 4-B while ignoring direct canon statements and feats suggesting far higher? Yeah… I’ll just leave that there.
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This is surprisingly understandable compared to the crazy shenanigans I was expecting ngl
 
Wait a second… if Kawaki got two shot with his Defense boosted to the Max, and shifting that to Offense, which Amadou states will lower his defenses, wouldn’t that still imply Kawaki is even weaker that before physically? 🤔
 
NeoKingOfLight said:
Wait a second… if Kawaki got two shot with his Defense boosted to the Max, and shifting that to Offense, which Amadou states will lower his defenses, wouldn’t that still imply Kawaki is even weaker that before physically? 🤔
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We really have to wait and see. I think the defensive increase mostly focus on regeneration, because if your physical body is amped for defence, your striking feats should not fall that much below, especially if you are using chakra to amp your body.
 
I was having the discussion with some of the guys off-site and my take away was that "Defense" may not be strictly durability as indexed on this site. It's likely defense means "all things that prevents kawaki from dying" including regeneration
Same way "offense" is likely not strictly AP as it may include things like his shrinking speed.
So, lower "defense" may not neccessarily mean weaker physical durability
 
bro i dont check every nook and cranny of the verse😭, I saw low-mid on the god tiers and thought that's where they got capped at and that theres no way the wiki would ever allow it

who's the mad man that got it implemented
 
I honestly didnt understand LG regen properly and thought that both the soul and body must return from complete erasure for people to qualify for LG as opposed to using the soul to keep regening the body
 
From what I could tell (at least using Hashirama's page), Wrath of Itachi made him Low-Godly on July 30th 2019 and he was first made possibly Low-Godly on March 27th 2019 by Elizhaa, though I don't know if the above users were the ones who did the CRT or just the ones who applied it.
 
NeoKingOfLight said:
So wait…

If you’re referring to Zaku’s “!!” Reaction, it’s to Sasuke standing beside him. He’s not even reacting to Sasuke’s arm swing (This is why you have to take the full context of the scans into account and that’s the scan before the first one you posted). The manga shows Zaku being surprised that Sasuke is standing next to him and not where his attack was focused. It’s a mischaracterization of the entire scene.
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He's still able to form a thought before Sasuke's hit reaches him
NeoKingOfLight said:
Except we see Sasuke hasn’t moved even moved as Zaku is already standing back up his head is still turned towards him and is fully stanced when Sasuke fires the Phoenix Fire Jutsu.
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Fair enough, Zaku still reacts to the attack itself though
NeoKingOfLight said:
Further illustrates his complete dominance over Zaku.
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Almost as if I never disagreed
NeoKingOfLight said:
“?!” Is always used when a person doesn’t know what happened and his immediate reaction to Sasuke’s grabbing him is, “HUNH?!”, showing he was unaware of the action. It’s a perception blitz.
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He didn't know what happened because Sasuke sneak attacked, that's why Dosu said "Beneath you!" Also it's not a perception blitz since he reacted while Sasuke was mid attack, it'd be a perception blitz if he only had a thought after he was locked into that back breaking (pause) position
NeoKingOfLight said:
Zaku didn’t legitimately react to anything Sasuke did and the only instance that maybe could’ve been argued as I pointed out above is the “!!” Reaction, but as I said, it’s not because he was reacting to Sasuke’s speeding beside him or his arm swing, it’s literally and contextually because he he notices Sasuke was standing next to him instead of where he was attacked.
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Like it’s so blatant, he didn’t even know Sasuke was next to him until he spoke.
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He didn't know Sasuke was there because Sasuke ran to his periphery while there was a whole lot of cover due to the Air Slice
Samlex1234 said:
Outside the wiki, people go absolutely wild with their Metas pushing for the best and highest possible interpretations and sometimes wanking it to the extreme. Meanwhile, the wiki tends to stay conservative, usually sticking to lowball or midball evaluation of the feat. LOL, some Dragon Ball fans out there genuinely think Goku is outerversal. Bleach fans I’ve debated or spoken with often scale way higher than the wiki does. Even our very own Alan jia is a different man outside the wiki💀.
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Am I?
 
It took me like 13 whole seconds to realize "MinatoSparkle" is Alan when I first made an account on the wiki, he ain't different at all 💔
 
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