Tanjiro Kamado vs Taiyo Asano [7-0-0] (GRACE)

[Jackof_noTrades068]

If I had a nickle for every Shonen Jump MC with a Sun Motif, both swordsmen and who are eldest brothers who fought a villain who put them in a dreamscape where they could see their deceased family again, I'd have two nickels, but its weird it happened twice

• Silver Rank Exam to Sibling Search Key (Sibling Search arc) is used
  • Taiyo starts in Profuse Blooming (310 Tons of TNT with 1 Kiloton Durability)
  • Profuse Blooming Amaterasu is restricted
• Post-Type Zero Training Tanjiro is used
  • 304.6 Tons of TNT
  • Demon Slayer Mark is restricted
• Speed is equalized
• Fight starts in the center of the Swordsmith Village
• Both Parties are Bloodlusted and will do anything in their power to win
• Victory by subduing, knockout or kill

He has a thick skull: Catbowtie, CastoriceTheFifth, Ephyriel, Kavopaco, STOPAUTOFARMING, Speedster352, The_Impress (7)

He's literally got tough skin:

Kyoichiro would hate Tanjiro too (Incon):

 

[Catbowtie]

Interesting. Will comment later.

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Bump

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Following

 

[KobsterHope07]

Which of the two is more skilled.

Both combatants seems evenly matched, but Tanjiro had means of growing stronger and faster as the match continue while Taiyo, I believe, is at his strongest currently and can’t get much stronger than what he currently is (well, he can get stronger via emotions but it has the risk of making him berserk and be forced to cut himself to regain his sanity). He got that 1 Kiloton Durability via Hardening but it won’t take long for Tanjiro to be able to harm him through that if the match goes on for to long. So Taiyo best get is to incapacitate Tanjiro as soon as possible.

So if he got better skill, he can probably do that with Yae. Both combatants has analytical prediction capabilities, but I do believe Taiyo has the edge in there, not to mention his Perception Amplification will help in countering Tanjiro’s attacks so he can quickly go for Yae stun gun. I believe it is in character for Taiyo to go for stun gun approach as he doesn’t like to kill iirc

But then again, Tanjiro’s battle spirit could influence this match with its abilities

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Actually wait yeah wouldn’t Tanjiro just win with his overwhelming fear aura

 

[Catbowtie]

That's what I didn't want to mention...Taiyo has no resistance to that...

 

[KobsterHope07]

Depends on if Supernatural Willpower would allows Taiyo to power through

 

[Catbowtie]

Which of the two is more skilled.

I don't know much about Taiyo, but in this Key Tanjiro is equal to a Hashria in terms of skill, who can match demons with "hundreds of years of experience." Because of SBA, this Tanjiro is fresh off his fight with Hantengu after learning Dancing Flash.

I want to say Taiyo is more skilled, because I don't agree with the whole "matching people with hundreds of years of experience" skill thing Demon Slayer has going on right now. The most substantial skill feat I know of is Entertainment District Tanjiro being able to deflect Daki's 8 ribbons for an extended period of time, being able to effectively fight while in the air, chase her down, and nearly killing. Though he did perform the feat while the ribbons were moving incredibly slow from his pov.

Tanjiro's Enhanced Smell & Clairvoyance pretty much tells him what Taiyo is going to do because Tanjiro can smell his intent, on top of knowing his emotions and what type of person Taiyo is. Tanjiro will also be able to sense Taiyo's malicious intent, if he has any, from EP. This Enhanced Smell has been further developed by his Post-Type Zero Training Key, where he's able to predict his opponent's movements by smell.

The main problem is that In-Character...Tanjiro just doesn't fight humans. Well did fight Inosuke, but it was only to protect Zenitsu, and even after seeing Inosuke about to kill or maim Zenitsu, he was trying to talk it out with Inosuke. If Taiyo was a bad guy, then I can see Tanjiro fighting him just to stop him, but because Tanjiro pretty much immediately understands what type of person Taiyo is, I really find it hard for Tanjiro to legitimately fight Taiyo. I know State of Mind rules and all, but...Tanjiro would sooner talk out a misunderstanding than slice Taiyo to pieces. It's for sure going to kill Tanjiro's motivation to fight Taiyo.

OP should Bloodlust Tanjiro so we can get this problem out of the way and actually talk about the fight.

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

That's what I didn't want to mention...Taiyo has no resistance to that...

Taiyo’s pretty relative in strength, has supernatural willpower and resists the side effects that battle spirit aura has caused (paralysis or internal bleeding) so he probably should be able to shrug this off

So if he got better skill, he can probably do that with Yae. Both combatants has analytical prediction capabilities, but I do believe Taiyo has the edge in there, not to mention his Perception Amplification will help in countering Tanjiro’s attacks so he can quickly go for Yae stun gun. I believe it is in character for Taiyo to go for stun gun approach as he doesn’t like to kill iirc

Stun gun or Kanrai Lightning should be pretty good for taking out Tanjiro given he has no electricity resistance on his profile, or to the temperatures Taiyo can dish out.
Taiyo’s higher durability combined with the blade resistance of his Yozakura loungewear may mean Taiyo can be willing to take hits in order to get a hold of Tanjiro, similar to what he did against Sui. Except instead of Judo throwing Tanjiro away he could just restrain him. Also Tanjiro will have a harder time getting good cuts in until he starts getting stronger

Tanjiro's Enhanced Smell & Clairvoyance pretty much tells him what Taiyo is going to do because Tanjiro can smell his intent, on top of knowing his emotions and what type of person Taiyo is. Tanjiro will also be able to sense Taiyo's malicious intent, if he has any, from EP. This Enhanced Smell has been further developed by his Post-Type Zero Training Key, where he's able to predict his opponent's movements by smell.

I will add Taiyo, like other spies in his series are also able to sense the intent of others via their extra sensory, and may be able to even out since Taiyo can predict blitz differences and has his perception amp slow mo vision. Bright side of Tanjiro’s enhanced smell though is it does probably take away Taiyo’s option of cheesing with stealth.

The main problem is that In-Character...Tanjiro just doesn't fight humans. Well did fight Inosuke, but it was only to protect Zenitsu, and even after seeing Inosuke about to kill or maim Zenitsu, he was trying to talk it out with Inosuke. If Taiyo was a bad guy, then I can see Tanjiro fighting him just to stop him, but because Tanjiro pretty much immediately understands what type of person Taiyo is, I really find it hard for Tanjiro to legitimately fight Taiyo. I know State of Mind rules and all, but...Tanjiro would sooner talk out a misunderstanding than slice Taiyo to pieces. It's for sure going to kill Tanjiro's motivation to fight Taiyo.

SBA does by default have the characters view each other as enemies and that losing has severe consequences, so this shouldn’t really be an issue. And the match does give Tanjiro the option to win by subduing or knocking out Taiyo (although he mainly knows how to kill)
Although if others also say it’s an issue or you elaborate more that’s aight. Although then I’d bloodlust Taiyo too, given he hates going for the kill unless his opponent is like straight up evil (like some of his villains)

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Bump

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Bump

 

[KobsterHope07]

I would be fine with a blood lusted match

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Aight, both of em are bloodlusted now.

 

[Catbowtie]

Taiyo’s pretty relative in strength, has supernatural willpower and resists the side effects that battle spirit aura has caused (paralysis or internal bleeding) so he probably should be able to shrug this off

The problem is that Battle Spirit is layered and still effects people who have Supernatural Willpower. Swordsmith Village Tanjiro who should upscale from his Supernatural Willpower in his first key and has resistance to Fear Manipulation & Paralysis Inducement got negged by Zohakuten simply looking at Tanjiro. Taiyo is being paralyzed because of the Fear Manipulation. If Taiyo resisted the Fear Manipulation then he would be able to move just fine.

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

The problem is that Battle Spirit is layered and still effects people who have Supernatural Willpower. Swordsmith Village Tanjiro who should upscale from his Supernatural Willpower in his first key and has resistance to Fear Manipulation & Paralysis Inducement got negged by Zohakuten simply looking at Tanjiro. Taiyo is being paralyzed because of the Fear Manipulation. If Taiyo resisted the Fear Manipulation then he would be able to move just fine.

I see.
Although Taiyo has been able to withstand the fear emitting auras produced by Blooming transformations which scare characters vastly superior in strength to the person producing the aura. With Taiyo being pretty impressed while Kyoichiro just gives up.

Well that and how a lot of Taiyo’s Supernatural willpower comes from resisting severe biological effects via thinking about Mutsumi or the rest of his family. Not sure how that compares to Tanjiro’s feats of willpower by the time of this key. But Taiyo’s ain’t run of the mill.

Although if that’s not enough, then yet another Demon slayer matchup has been negged by battle spirit lmao

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Although if that’s not enough, then yet another Demon slayer matchup has been negged by battle spirit lmao

I remember there being a Tanjiro Vs Yuji Nobara and Megumi 1VS3 matchup and all 3 of them got negged by battle spirit LMAO

 

[Catbowtie]

I see.
Although Taiyo has been able to withstand the fear emitting auras produced by Blooming transformations which scare characters vastly superior in strength to the person producing the aura. With Taiyo being pretty impressed while Kyoichiro just gives up.

Well that and how a lot of Taiyo’s Supernatural willpower comes from resisting severe biological effects via thinking about Mutsumi or the rest of his family. Not sure how that compares to Tanjiro’s feats of willpower by the time of this key. But Taiyo’s ain’t run of the mill.

Although if that’s not enough, then yet another Demon slayer matchup has been negged by battle spirit lmao

I want to say it's enough for Taiyo to resist Battle Spirit because I don't think Tanjiro's Battle Spirit is layered, that and I really don't think that Battle Spirit is something that's on 24/7 all the time every day for demon slayers except maybe demons.

SBA does by default have the characters view each other as enemies and that losing has severe consequences, so this shouldn’t really be an issue. And the match does give Tanjiro the option to win by subduing or knocking out Taiyo (although he mainly knows how to kill)
Although if others also say it’s an issue or you elaborate more that’s aight. Although then I’d bloodlust Taiyo too, given he hates going for the kill unless his opponent is like straight up evil (like some of his villains)

My problem is that it's hard to say how Tanjiro would act even under SBA. It would be incredibly out of character to say that Tanjiro would try to decapitate or really even use his sword against Taiyo because Tanjiro straight up doesn't fight humans and his Clairvoyance would literally tell him that Taiyo is a good person.

Anyways, now that Tanjiro is blood lusted, Tanjiro would start to sniff out Taiyo's neck through Opening Thread and use Water Breathing or Hinokami Kagura to deflect any strikes Taiyo tries to do.

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Anyways, now that Tanjiro is blood lusted, Tanjiro would start to sniff out Taiyo's neck through Opening Thread and use Water Breathing or Hinokami Kagura to deflect any strikes Taiyo tries to do.

This is true, although to lay out more of Taiyo’s options.
I doubt Taiyo would easily let him have many openings which would eliminate the Opening Thread. Since Taiyo at this point has learned how to use the flow of an opponents attack in order to create opportunities, inspired by Futaba’s Aikido martial arts. Which Taiyo could apply if he wants to parry Tanjiro’s sword strikes as well. Or opt to rely on the Lifting strength gap to force Tanjiro back easily after blocking strikes.
Well that and he can boost his perception to see perceive Tanjiro slower as well as how similar to Tanjiro’s dancing flash, Taiyo has his own speed amp move, stepping on flowers, if he wants to create more distance or go on the offensive.
Furthermore, Taiyo will be willing to mix up swordplay and gunplay with the second and first forms of Yae.
Since he could do things such as possibly locking blades with Tanjiro’s then calling down a Lightning strike on the both of em or generating electrical attacks point blank. Or shoot from mid range with the first yae.

And maybe most importantly is that the difference in durability for the two + how Taiyo has damage reduction does mean Taiyo will be able to eat more hits from Tanjiro than the other way around in the event he does get sliced.

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Bump

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Bump

 

[Catbowtie]

This is true, although to lay out more of Taiyo’s options.
I doubt Taiyo would easily let him have many openings which would eliminate the Opening Thread. Since Taiyo at this point has learned how to use the flow of an opponents attack in order to create opportunities, inspired by Futaba’s Aikido martial arts. Which Taiyo could apply if he wants to parry Tanjiro’s sword strikes as well. Or opt to rely on the Lifting strength gap to force Tanjiro back easily after blocking strikes.
Well that and he can boost his perception to see perceive Tanjiro slower as well as how similar to Tanjiro’s dancing flash, Taiyo has his own speed amp move, stepping on flowers, if he wants to create more distance or go on the offensive.
Furthermore, Taiyo will be willing to mix up swordplay and gunplay with the second and first forms of Yae.
Since he could do things such as possibly locking blades with Tanjiro’s then calling down a Lightning strike on the both of em or generating electrical attacks point blank. Or shoot from mid range with the first yae.

And maybe most importantly is that the difference in durability for the two + how Taiyo has damage reduction does mean Taiyo will be able to eat more hits from Tanjiro than the other way around in the event he does get sliced.

Tanjiro has also briefly applied the idea of redirecting attacks against Gyutaro's Homing Sickles, which were far more stronger than Tanjiro at that point in time.

Tanjiro also has stat amps too. Hinokami Kagura and Total Concentration by itself increases Tanjiro's speed, durability, AP and striking strength. Combining Water Breathing and Hinokami Kagura gives Tanjiro a big enough speed boost to get past Daki's sashes and cut Gyutaro's arm, something that serious Tengen, a Hashira, was struggling to do and he was forced to beg Gyutaro to stop. Tanjiro then took Hinatsuru a distance away from Gyutaro. Gyutaro commented that he shouldn't be able to move that fast, which Tanjiro internally explained that he was able to move that fast because of combining techniques. Tanjiro also has these to further boost his stats:

• Rage Power (Used his rage to burn his life force to surpass his normal physical limits despite suffering from deep wounds that should cripple a human, allowing him to overwhelm Awakened Form Daki who was capable of casually blitzing him and previously mocked how slow he is at her base form)

• Reactive Power Level (Stated to have the ability to adapt to an opponent who severely overpowers him in strength and speed as time goes on while fighting Upper Rank 6. Was stated to get faster the longer the fight goes on while fighting. Upper Rank 4; Upper Rank 4 stated Tanjiro adapted to the fight and demonstrated explosive growth at critical moments)

• Further Statistics Amplification (His Demon Slayer Mark increases his power and speed)

• Enhanced Supernatural Willpower & Awakened Power (Becomes stronger and faster through his Repetitive Action technique of remembering the faces of his loved ones and Kyojuro's last words of "Set your heart ablaze")

Tanjiro just kinda dodges Taiyo's swordplay and gunplay because Tanjiro smells where Taiyo is aiming and reacts accordingly. The narrator also straight up says that Tanjiro can predict through smell. The Tanjiro that did the first smell prediction feat was heavily fatigued, a more rested Tanjiro predicted and beaten Yoriichi type zero, a robot that has six arms to attack with. So Tanjiro can smell and keep track of six individual movements.

How strong is Taiyo's lightning? Post-Type Zero Training Tanjiro should have resistance to lightning. He took straight up lightning from Sekido. VSBattles accepts Sekido's lightning as real lightning.

Tanjiro can continually exert himself for seven days non-stop without any food, sleep, and a small amount of water. Hinokami Kagura and Total Concentration also amps Tanjiro's stamina.

Taiyo's 1 Kiloton Durability is around 3.3x higher than Tanjiro's AP. Tanjiro's stat amps would allow him to shorten the gap and hurt Taiyo.

Going to go ahead and vote Tanjiro for now.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Tanjiro FRA

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Tanjiro has also briefly applied the idea of redirecting attacks against Gyutaro's Homing Sickles, which were far more stronger than Tanjiro at that point in time.

This is true, mainly mentioned that cause in Tanjiro’s case the Steel Spider threads were more numerous and coming from someone who can make as thin as nuclei and pretty solid prediction of his own, his threads being practically impossible to find a pattern in as well to also being much stronger than Taiyo at the time as well (With Taiyo not even having profuse blooming yet, which does amp his precog and perception)

Tanjiro also has stat amps too. Hinokami Kagura and Total Concentration by itself increases Tanjiro's speed, durability, AP and striking strength. Combining Water Breathing and Hinokami Kagura gives Tanjiro a big enough speed boost to get past Daki's sashes and cut Gyutaro's arm, something that serious Tengen, a Hashira, was struggling to do and he was forced to beg Gyutaro to stop. Tanjiro then took Hinatsuru a distance away from Gyutaro. Gyutaro commented that he shouldn't be able to move that fast, which Tanjiro internally explained that he was able to move that fast because of combining techniques. Tanjiro also has these to further boost his stats:

True, although correct me if I’m wrong. But isn’t it by the Swordsmith Village Arc Tanjiro defaults to Hinokami Kagura. Well that and doing this is a lot more taxing than just using one breathing style? Also I’m pretty sure Tanjiro’s in Total concentration all the time at this point like the Hashira’s are so it ain’t really a stat amp?

Tanjiro just kinda dodges Taiyo's swordplay and gunplay because Tanjiro smells where Taiyo is aiming and reacts accordingly. The narrator also straight up says that Tanjiro can predict through smell. The Tanjiro that did the first smell prediction feat was heavily fatigued, a more rested Tanjiro predicted and beaten Yoriichi type zero, a robot that has six arms to attack with. So Tanjiro can smell and keep track of six individual movements.

How strong is Taiyo's lightning? Post-Type Zero Training Tanjiro should have resistance to lightning. He took straight up lightning from Sekido. VSBattles accepts Sekido's lightning as real lightning.

Taiyo could just opt for bigger aoe attacks in that case since he’s isn’t limited to swinging a sword or shooting electricity linearly in one direction. Small omnidirectional electric blasts are also something his sword can do. Taiyo could even discharge electricity while his blade is clashing against Tanjiro’s if they’re in a more conventional Blade lock like that. Taiyo also has his instinctive action as a fall over in case Tanjiro gets through and almost lands a hit on him which isn’t guided by intent or hostility. Taiyo has also just fought opponents he couldn’t perceive entirely with precog.
Or fought against attacks he can barely perceive due to how small they are which are similarly numerous, at a point where being in Profuse Blooming was physically draining for him and made his movements stiff. Which he pulled off against Kyoichiro. Who can predict Momo Yozakura who not only trained Kyoichiro since he was a child, but knows him and his family so well he knows most things they’re gonna do years in advance.

Taiyo’s Kanrai (Lightning Strikes) are accepted as real lightning. Which he can summon with either a downwards stab or just clenching his blade, then it forms the bolt slightly above the Targets head. Taiyo’s regular electric blasts are not, although all of Taiyo’s electricity is accepted as being hot and not just Kanrai. Tanjiro doesn’t appear to have any notable resistances to heat on his profile though, and Taiyo can vaporize people with a strong enough sword strike or vaporize Concrete with casual shots from the gun version of Yae.
I’m also not sure on the conductivity of Nichirin, but if it isn’t a non-conductive metal, I’m pretty sure Kanrai would just view Taiyo’s sword as a lightning rod and always home onto it. (Weird thing about speed equalized is Tanjiro wouldn’t be able to dodge Kanrai easily thanks to the speed gap since he’s been equalized down to Taiyo’s speed)

Tanjiro can continually exert himself for seven days non-stop without any food, sleep, and a small amount of water. Hinokami Kagura and Total Concentration also amps Tanjiro's stamina.

Taiyo's 1 Kiloton Durability is around 3.3x higher than Tanjiro's AP. Tanjiro's stat amps would allow him to shorten the gap and hurt Taiyo.

Going to go ahead and vote Tanjiro for now.

Good points though, counted both votes

 

[Catbowtie]

Bump for interest.

 

[Epyriel]

Don’t know much about Taiyo, how good is their Analytic Prediction and Instinctive Reaction?

Because if we are using bloodlusted Tanjiro that basically means he has 3 2 stacked blitz gap speed amps from Breathing Techniques + Demon Slayer Mark + Rage Amp. Throw on his precognition on top of that makes AOE attacks not enough on their own.

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Don’t know much about Taiyo, how good is their Analytic Prediction and Instinctive Reaction?

Because if we are using bloodlusted Tanjiro that basically means he has 3 stacked blitz gap speed amps from Breathing Techniques + Demon Slayer Mark + Rage Amp. Throw on his precognition on top of that makes AOE attacks not enough on their own.

A lot of it was discussed between me and Catbowtie.
But in short. Taiyo can analyze patterns in and counter attacks from opponents so fast he cannot perceive them aka being perception blitzed. As well as numerous steel threads which are so thin they can barely be detected with his vision, from someone who’s stated to require tens of thousands of algorithms to find one that would be able to find a pattern in said thread attacks.

His instinctive reaction allows him to sleep fight just as well as he normally fights (although this requires him being pushed to exhaustion and passing out), reacting to attacks he doesn’t know are coming and are out of his sight (such as projectiles). And if someone’s out of sight but he can sense them his body auto targets and shoots at where he’s sensing them.

Also demon slayer mark is restricted in this match up as indicated in the OP just like how Taiyo’s profuse blooming Amaterasu is restricted.

I will say Taiyo does have blitz amps with Stepping on Flowers or Amaterasu: Koto although these don’t stack on top of each other since Taiyo’s already in his strongest state here, unlike Tanjiro.

 

[Epyriel]

Also demon slayer mark is restricted in this match up as indicated in the OP

Missed that, my bad.

A lot of it was discussed between me and Catbowtie.
But in short. Taiyo can analyze patterns in and counter attacks from opponents so fast he cannot perceive them aka being perception blitzed. As well as numerous steel threads which are so thin they can barely be detected with his vision, from someone who’s stated to require tens of thousands of algorithms to find one that would be able to find a pattern in said thread attacks.

His instinctive reaction allows him to sleep fight just as well as he normally fights (although this requires him being pushed to exhaustion and passing out), reacting to attacks he doesn’t know are coming and are out of his sight (such as projectiles). And if someone’s out of sight but he can sense them his body auto targets and shoots at where he’s sensing them.


I will say Taiyo does have blitz amps with Stepping on Flowers or Amaterasu: Koto although these don’t stack on top of each other since Taiyo’s already in his strongest state here, unlike Tanjiro.

What I’m getting so far from this and from the profiles is:

Taiyo:
-1 Blitz Gap Speed Amp
-1 Blitz Gap Equivalent Analytic Prediction + Instinctive Reaction
-Higher Durability
-AoE Attacks

vs

Tanjiro
-2 Stacked Blitz Gap Speed Amps
-1 Blitz Gap Equivalent Precognition
-Better Stamina
-Reactive Accelerated Development

From what I’m seeing so far, I think Tanjiro can probably drag this out with better speed and stamina enough to gain victory (with some difficulty) despite Taiyo being more durable. So for now I’ll vote Tanjiro.

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Missed that, my bad.


What I’m getting so far from this and from the profiles is:

Taiyo:
-1 Blitz Gap Speed Amp
-1 Blitz Gap Equivalent Analytic Prediction + Instinctive Reaction
-Higher Durability
-AoE Attacks

vs

Tanjiro
-2 Stacked Blitz Gap Speed Amps
-1 Blitz Gap Equivalent Precognition
-Better Stamina
-Reactive Accelerated Development

From what I’m seeing so far, I think Tanjiro can probably drag this out with better speed and stamina enough to gain victory (with some difficulty) despite Taiyo being more durable. So for now I’ll vote Tanjiro.

Counted

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Bumping this

 

[Kavopaco]

Voting Tanjiro (very high diff) for Epyriel's reasons.

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Bumping this

 

[AthelChan]

After reading all the messages above, I conclude that I'll vote for Tanjiro (high diff) tho.

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Bump

 

[speedster352]

Voting for Tanjiro

 

[The_Impress]

Tanjiro FRA

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Now it's grace