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Same as TaiyoJust a heads up for everyone that Tanjiro massively upscale his ap value from Upper Moon 4
Taiyo now has an AP advantage, is more skilled and skilled than in previous keys, and has access to all equipmentSince this thread has kinda? Happened before. I have a couple questions to ask?
Also due to both having all the equipment, somethings should be taken into consideration
I don't remember a single case where this worked on an equal in strength and mentally strong opponent. In order to resist this - it is enough to have a strong willpower.Does Taiyo even have the right to withstand Tanjiro's battle spirit this time? Since this is a stronger key of Tanjiro, or would Tanjiro's see through world mean he has none since Akaza can't pick up battle spirit from him?
Yes, this is a good point for winconI know Tanjiro upscales from his ap value, but Taiyo post timeskip with hardening upscales so much from his ap value that Taiyo's own sword slashes do "zero damage" (no blood, not even scratches drawn when Taiyo charged into the guy head on) to a guy using an off brand version of his own hardening, who he can even hurt with generic punches when that opponent did not use hardening (And Taiyo can maintain hardening for hours). So would Tanjiro be able to do non superficial damage early on in the battle with his sword techniques? This is kinda made worse by Taiyo's attire being blade resistant. And even worse since Taiyo has equipment, which includes Kengo's fake skins, which are basically armor and can even break small blades having their own damage reduction. Albeit only for his bare skin and face.
I didn't quite get it. The Ekadzura resist tranquilizers and poisons through their biology, but they can't resist Taiyo's equipment?While Tanjiro resists poison manip, its less a true resistance and more about slowing circulation. Tanjiro resisting sleep manip is also more so about supernatural dream worlds, his paralysis manip resist also isnt really a matter of poison either but battle spirit. So since Taiyo has his equipment. Whats stopping Taiyo from incapping with good knight whale needles, Blight spider neurotoxin or his sleeping gas sprays? Which work on Yozakuras who resist sleep and paralysis inducement via biological means while outright resisting poison.
GoodSmall thing. Taiyo would have Nanao's vitality booster, so Taiyo can reset his stamina back to full if he uses it on himself
Tanjiro will be able to see that they are superior, but will he be able to understand that the difference is so colossal?Taiyo's lifting strength is a lot higher, so if Taiyo and Tanjiro have their blades locked against each other, whats stopping Taiyo from just trying to force him to the ground from that position (Class G vs Class 50)? Or would Tanjiro use his precog to immediately try jumping back if he sees this happening
As far as I remember, Taiyo has stat boosters, resistance to analytical prediction, and can also change the trajectory of Momo's bullet, which Tanjiro can't track.Are there even any clear counters to the see through world? Iirc its so precise that Tanjiro would be able to see Taiyo's slightest muscle movements when he's going for attacks in slo mo (Since he saw Marked Giyuu vs Akaza in slow mo, which is better than Taiyo's own perception amplification). Which is pretty different to Taiyo's which is only really a result of his battle iq and he'd need to learn how his opponent fights to start predicting. Pretty sure only Muzan was able to stop Tanjiro from using it 24/7. Depending on the see through world Taiyo may not even be able to actually fight or land hits on Tanjiro, which could make this a stomp?
FactTanjiro has a stamina edge just like the previous thread, that doesn't need to be elaborated on.
The match uses their High 7-C keys.btw OP, restrict true spring Blooming, or Tanjiro can't scratch Taiyo then gets one shotted by any of Taiyo's kilometer wide AOEs the instant Taiyo powers up. Cause Taiyo has been willing to use that form on an enemy he simply finds really annoying and who he was stalemating in base.
This is just cause a lot of the Yozakura's equipment they use is as potent as or stronger their resistances. (For example Shinzo can resist common paralysis toxins, Nanao Yozakura's paralyzing gas as well as muscle relaxants with no issues, but Good night whale needles paralyze Shinzo if you can inject him with like 10 of them, which Taiyo actually had that amount on him)I didn't quite get it. The Ekadzura resist tranquilizers and poisons through their biology, but they can't resist Taiyo's equipment?
Also, will holding your breath protect you from the paralyzing gas? Tanjiro can hold his breath for a long time
Arguably Tanjiro could realize the gap is collosal with the see through world, since he can see Taiyo's muscle structure and all that like an X-Ray. So hard maybe he'd look at him and instantly realize he's a physical monster and that he's better trying to fight nimbly than head on.Tanjiro will be able to see that they are superior, but will he be able to understand that the difference is so colossal?
Also, considering that we have both AP and LS differences, Taiyo's strikes will cause direct damage to Tanjiro if he tries to block them, and Taiyo can very easily break his limbs and tear his joints.
By the way, what about aiki?
Fair points I suppose, although I specifically don't think Momo's bullet would be the most relevant here, since Tanjiro's strength amounts to him just being really strong (rather than some special physiology that's not a normal human) + breathing techniques which are just techniques. Tanjiro ain't like a Yozakura or a quirk user from MHA. I'm not even sure if the regen negation would work on Tanjiro since Tanjiro's just breathing to keep wounds closed, rather than having a truly fast healing factor (But its only low regen anyway, so who really cares). TLDR Momo's bullet would just be a bullet wound.As far as I remember, Taiyo has stat boosters, resistance to analytical prediction, and can also change the trajectory of Momo's bullet, which Tanjiro can't track.
Furthermore, seeing the enemy's attacks doesn't give you a guaranteed victory when you still need to make contact with them to win, and they have powerful durability, additional equipment, and superior strength.
Post-Timeskip Taiyo has no keys, just transformations, so you usually gotta specify in OP that a form is restricted. It's sort of like if you had a match with Dark Hero Arc 30% Deku but you don't restrict 100%.The match uses their High 7-C keys.
I believe its heat yeah, one which burns to the cellular level coupled with demons being weak to nichirin. If Taiyo has demonstrated good enough heat resistance, then he should be alright?? idk much about him tho, so you can clarify that.Speaking of Regen though, this question is more for Demon slayer supporters, but is the basis of regen negation (while it is High-Mid) for breath of the sun and red katanas heat? if so I guess Taiyo's heat resistances ignores that?
Yeah sure.I believe its heat yeah, one which burns to the cellular level coupled with demons being weak to nichirin. If Taiyo has demonstrated good enough heat resistance, then he should be alright?? idk much about him tho, so you can clarify that.
Under an SBA mentalityIs Taiyo trying to kill Tanjiro or nah?
- Social Influencing (Charisma; Forced the naturally aggressive Genya to work with him just with the innocence of his eyes)
Or Tanjiro wins via Social Influencing GGs
You forgot Rage Power, Repetitive Action, Dancing Flash, Transparent World, and Tanjiro spamming Thirteenth Form for more stat amps.Tanjiro
-2 Stacked Blitz Gap Speed Amps
-1 Blitz Gap Equivalent Precognition
-Better Stamina
-Reactive Accelerated Development
Counted breathing forms as 1 stacked speed amp, but yeah I will add one for TW since we are using a key that has that this time around. Can’t use Rage Power without him being bloodlusted in the OP.You forgot Rage Power, Repetitive Action, Dancing Flash, Transparent World, and Tanjiro spamming Thirteenth Form for more stat amps.
Not really cause Taiyo cause SBA mentality means Taiyo thinks if he loses this severe consequences would follow in some shape or form.I think it's a valid win condition because Tanjiro has Social Influencing
Didn't realize Tanjiro's up to 3-4 stacks in this key, didn't realize the new amps could also stackDon’t think too much changes from the main deciding factor from last time being speed amps:
Taiyo:
-1 Blitz Gap Speed Amp
-1 Blitz Gap Equivalent Analytic Prediction + Instinctive Reaction
-Higher AP/Durability
-AoE Attacks
vs
Tanjiro
-3 Stacked Blitz Gap Speed Amps
-1 Blitz Gap Equivalent Precognition
-Better Stamina
-Reactive Accelerated Development
As before, I think Tanjiro can probably drag this out with better speed and stamina enough to gain victory (with some difficulty) despite Taiyo being more durable. So for now I’ll vote Tanjiro.
I don't remember them overlapping at all. Maybe the transparent world and some of the techniques, but that could be a consequence of their combination, but it doesn't mean that it's now a double blitz.Didn't realize Tanjiro's up to 3-4 stacks in this key, didn't realize the new amps could also stack
Taiyo's stamina also allows him to fight for hours. Surely he won't find a way to use Momo Bullet or Steel Spider to pin Tanjiro down or simply take away his weapons?Honestly doesn't seem like Taiyo tags Tanjiro ever besides his tens of meters wide Yae electric blasts, but with a speed gap this severe, he'd probably just see Taiyo switching to the gun version of his weapon and dash back.
So it seems more like this match is just Tanjiro hacking on a guy he can barely damage until Taiyo eventually gets exhausted (although this will take hours at least, Tanjiro does have the stamina for this)
BIQ + equipment + stats + perception bypassDoesn't seem like Taiyo has feasible wincons in a scenario such as this.
This is true. Honestly with this matchup i'd say that it depends on Taiyo's ability to get a hold of Tanjiro (or likely even his blade).Taiyo's stamina also allows him to fight for hours. Surely he won't find a way to use Momo Bullet or Steel Spider to pin Tanjiro down or simply take away his weapons?
Momo Bullet won't take away Tanjiro's abilities, but it could be a headshot he can't dodge
I'd probably wait for Demon Slayer supporters to comment more on this, if no further comments are given in regard to speed amp interaction I'd vote for Taiyo. For now though I'll hold outI don't remember them overlapping at all. Maybe the transparent world and some of the techniques, but that could be a consequence of their combination, but it doesn't mean that it's now a double blitz.
I don't remember them overlapping at all. Maybe the transparent world and some of the techniques, but that could be a consequence of their combination, but it doesn't mean that it's now a double blitz.
We’ve seen pretty much all of them stack at some point or another.I'd probably wait for Demon Slayer supporters to comment more on this, if no further comments are given in regard to speed amp interaction I'd vote for Taiyo. For now though I'll hold out
Honestly, I'm confused about how the boosters work.We’ve seen pretty much all of them stack at some point or another.
For some examples:
- With BTs alone was getting blitzed by the Type Zero, with BTs + Precognition he outsped and defeated it
- With BTs alone was getting badly blitzed by Gyutaro, with BTs + Mark he caught up to Gyutaro
- With BTs + Mark + Precognition was relative to Akaza, with BTs + Mark + Precognition + TW he badly blitzed Akaza
Not really.It turns out that Tanjiro, with the speed leveled out, is much more dangerous than Kokushibo and Douma
I see.We’ve seen pretty much all of them stack at some point or another.
For some examples:
- With BTs alone was getting blitzed by the Type Zero, with BTs + Precognition he outsped and defeated it
- With BTs alone was getting badly blitzed by Gyutaro, with BTs + Mark he caught up to Gyutaro
- With BTs + Mark + Precognition was relative to Akaza, with BTs + Mark + Precognition + TW he badly blitzed Akaza
Ain’t that a Stomp or nah?Voting Tanjiro then, he's fast enough to where Taiyo's kit becomes unusable cause he just can't tag him
It’s still considered a stomp if the losing character despite having win cons it’s literally impossible for them to use em right?Ain’t that a Stomp or nah?
Wait, doesn't SBM already include an activated mark, sun breath, and a transparent world from the start?Ain’t that a Stomp or nah?
Nah.Wait, doesn't SBM already include an activated mark, sun breath, and a transparent world from the start?
Wasn't his transparent world active when he fully unlocked the sun's breath?Nah.
Only Mark is constantly activated
the rest are on command and he doesn’t/can’t have them constantly
If I remember correctly. Even while standing still not using a breathing technique Taiyo viewed Giyuu and Akaza as very slow. Or when he dodged that one swipe at his torso from Akaza there were no breathing techniques involved. With TW not being a standard perception blitz style gap either but being a lot biggerWasn't his transparent world active when he fully unlocked the sun's breath?
I mean, he had high speed precisely because he had the sun's breath and the mark at that time. At the very least, these boosters are included in the base speed of his key and are subject to the equation. As a result, the only boost left is TW
If I'm not mistaken, he was already using TW at that time.If I remember correctly. Even while standing still not using a breathing technique Taiyo viewed Giyuu and Akaza as very slow. Or when he dodged that one swipe at his torso from Akaza there were no breathing techniques involved. With TW not being a standard perception blitz style gap either but being a lot bigger
Wait, doesn't SBM already include an activated mark, sun breath, and a transparent world from the start?
This is a good point, since the Mark is considered in his base form in this key we are back down to the same number of speed amps as last time.Nah.
Only Mark is constantly activated
the rest are on command and he doesn’t/can’t have them constantly
If I'm not mistaken, TW and Mark are included in this key, so the blitz amplifier is SBThis is a good point, since the Mark is considered in his base form in this key we are back down to the same number of speed amps as last time.
Just gonna mention this now. Holding his breath canonically gives him a blitz amp and a strong ap buff.But with stuff like all his gear, the fact that at the start he can likely shrug off Tanjiro’s slashes. Numerous types of poisonous and paralysis gas (forcing Tanjiro to hold his breath temporarily unless Tanjiro feels like throwing), steel spider threads to catch Tanjiro off guard and a few other things.
TW is not part of his base form.If I'm not mistaken, TW and Mark are included in this key, so the blitz amplifier is SB
Just gonna mention this now. Holding his breath canonically gives him a blitz amp and a strong ap buff.
Tanjiro would also last longer doing this since this was like season 2 Tanjiro