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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
MinatoSparkle
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Boruto would of course work around that similar to how he did in canon, he'd probably use physical attacks to disable his absorption
FTG is also more spammable
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Momo's a bit more skilled arguably but Boruto has FTG.
Boruto's already fought Fused Momo before so he knows how to work around his absorption, once he disables that (which shouldn't be too hard for him to pull off, thanks to FTG, Clones, and the Transformation Technique), he should be able to win way easier.
If Momo pulls up with the Monkey Golem though he might win
MinatoSparkle
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I mean Boruto could probably just teleport that away lol
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Tobiramas edo nerfed ass could port 2 kyubi avatars, I'm sure Burrito should be fine (although I don't expect him to do it in character)
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Just depends on how much chakra the user has, and if Base Minato could teleport Kurama, I think Boruto'll be fine
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I'm also not sure Momoshiki is actually more skilled than Boruto. Or at least not to an extent that would be noticeable with Boruto teleporting around and shit.
Boruto states he's basically mastered the Uchiha style swordsmanship and Sasuke admits he taught him almost all of his moves. Sasuke himself could match Kinshikis weapon skill and should be similarly skilled to Momoshiki based on what we've seen.
That was half a year into Borutos training.
So after 2.5 years of future sight amped training with Koji Boruto should definitely be around Momoshiki level if not outright superior to his skill.
Boruto states he's basically mastered the Uchiha style swordsmanship and Sasuke admits he taught him almost all of his moves. Sasuke himself could match Kinshikis weapon skill and should be similarly skilled to Momoshiki based on what we've seen.
That was half a year into Borutos training.
So after 2.5 years of future sight amped training with Koji Boruto should definitely be around Momoshiki level if not outright superior to his skill.
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Honestly, I don’t see Boruto being able to easily get around Momoshiki’s Rinnegan. Skill wise, Boruto is on par, if not slightly above Sasuke and both Naruto and Sasuke, despite knowing how his abilities worked, couldn’t easily get around the Rinnegan.
As stated before, even though Boruto has FTG, Momoshiki has feats of reacting to Point Blank assaults that relied Teleportation (Sasuke w/ Ameno), which is actually harder to defend against given FTG “is” far more telegraphed than Amenotejikara.
I think it’s far more likely Momoshiki figures out Boruto is teleporting to his Ninja Tools before Boruto can axe his Rinnegan.
On that note as well, wouldn’t Uzuhiko be susceptible to Momo’s Absorption? Or resistant given it’s not “pure” Chakra?
And even if it can’t, would the absorption unravel Uzuhiko by absorbing Boruto’s Chakra out of the Equation?
As stated before, even though Boruto has FTG, Momoshiki has feats of reacting to Point Blank assaults that relied Teleportation (Sasuke w/ Ameno), which is actually harder to defend against given FTG “is” far more telegraphed than Amenotejikara.
I think it’s far more likely Momoshiki figures out Boruto is teleporting to his Ninja Tools before Boruto can axe his Rinnegan.
On that note as well, wouldn’t Uzuhiko be susceptible to Momo’s Absorption? Or resistant given it’s not “pure” Chakra?
And even if it can’t, would the absorption unravel Uzuhiko by absorbing Boruto’s Chakra out of the Equation?
MinatoSparkle
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Is FTG far more telegraphed really? Sasuke needs an object to switch with like Boruto needs an object to teleport to
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Did they? I feel like Sasuke removed it pretty easily in the anime and so did Boruto in the manga.
That asks the question, can Momoshiki even do anything about that? Like yeah he'd know Boruto is teleporting but would be able to do anything to stop it? It's still a major advantage
I don’t even think Boruto really needs it ngl. I mean, we've already seen Momoshiki struggle to absorb vanishing rasengan and current Boruto mostly uses swordsmanship with teleportation. He seems like a solid counter to Momoshiki all things consideredOn that note as well, wouldn’t Uzuhiko be susceptible to Momo’s Absorption? Or resistant given it’s not “pure” Chakra?
And even if it can’t, would the absorption unravel Uzuhiko by absorbing Boruto’s Chakra out of the Equation?
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Sword. Arm. Off.
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Sasuke only did so via Ameno swapping Chidori with a Kunai he was holding. Something Boruto doesn’t have access too and In the Manga, it was literally PIS. He literally looked dead at Boruto, watched Boruto telegraph a strike with the Kunai and chose to grab the hand with the Kunai hand… Are we arguing on the side of PIS? Or are we simply not putting stock in the fact that from a Non-PIS perspective, two qualified individuals (Naruto & Sasuke) cannot get around the ability without Ameno.
Are we seriously acting like Momoshiki can’t counter shuriken, swords or Kunai now? Let’s not forget, mans bread and butter is Long Range Righting. He has options to avoid, block or deflect them long range, as well as the capability of reacting to Boruto even when he does bring it close range, as shown against Sasuke.
Like seriously, FTG isn’t > Ameno here and its deadass the same fighting style.
Seriously? You know very well he didn’t struggle. He thought it faded out before reaching him.
Did Sasuke not? And unlike Sasuke, Boruto doesn’t have Pre-Cog ontop.
I disagree. It’s a great match, but I disagree.
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So like… Sasuke, this mans teacher whom he pillaged his entire fighting style, never thought of that?
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Yeah and he did it easily. In the manga Boruto did it even more easily.
So saying Naruto and Sasuke struggled with it is wrong.
Or maybe Boruto just hid the kunai well enough to trick Momoshiki since Momoshiki was already underestimating him.
How exactly does he counter them here? They're not being used as projectiles but as checkpoints Boruto teleports to.
Yeah, which has very limited ammo to what he's absorbed. So Boruto teleporting out of the way is actually a really good counter.
FTG and ameno are 2 distinct abilities with case specific applications. So there's no need for FTG to be superior.
Yeah that's exactly the struggling I'm talking about. He can't see the attack meaning he has no way of properly absorbing it. And we've seen Boruto use it as a sneak attack against Code who just barely dodged it so yes Momoshiki did and would struggle with it's invisibility.
I don’t get the point of this reply. I brought up Boruto using mainly swordsmanship in reference to Momoshikis absorption. Whether Sasuke did or did not mainly use swordsmanship is irrelevant to the point I was making.
And like I already said, Boruto reached Sasukes level in 1/6 of his training. Plus unlike Sasuke who spams chidori and ameno every 3 seconds Boruto really uses swordsmanship 99% of the time. So he's likely far more skilled, meaning a lack of precog is inconsequential.
I mean, you're free to disagree ofc. I'm just curious on how does someone who barely uses ninjutsu on its own not counter someone who's signature technique revolves around the opponent using ninjutsu
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With an ability Boruto doesn’t have. Of course this is ignoring the entire fight they had up this point since you refuse to acknowledge that part.
Due to PIS, Yes.
False. There would have been no drawn out fight with that as a literal stated concern if it were easy in the slightest.
Except, no. It’s clear from his angling his arm isn’t hidden as he fall towards him. Ntm you’d have to assert Boruto is faster than Sasuke and Naruto here. It makes no sense, which is why it’s changed in the Anime. Any Storyteller being honest with themselves and evaluating the Narrative knows this is PIS.
FTG is useless unless he throws them at the target or around the field, yes? Shinra Tensei, Chakra Rods, Mokuton, Various Elemental Attacks, Aura Farming, etc.
How about you explain why Momoshiki is incapable of combating FTG, despite the fact Boruto’s Teacher couldn’t flex him like that with his own S/T Jutsu?
Nope. He can use any ability he’s absorbed multiple times. It’s not limited.
Sure, defensively, but it’s not being argued he couldn’t use FTG to evade things. To attack Momoshiki offensively with FTG, he has to throw them at / towards him.
My argument is, if Sasuke (A peer adversary), has difficulty tagging Momoshiki even with the Usage of Ameno, Boruto with FTG isn’t having an easier time…
In combat applications, they are used to do the same thing. Sasuke shows this many times. So yes, it’s relevant.
For starters, we don’t actually know that because he never attempted to. He let his guard down and got hit by it, on the assumption it fizzled out. When you say “struggled”, it comes off as you saying Momoshiki had a hard time trying to. Invisible or not, it’s chakra and it doesn’t have killing power anyways.
Sure, I’m not saying Momoshiki wouldn’t be tagged by a Vanishing Rasengan, but it’s not gonna happen consecutively either imo. Code only “barely” evaded because he recalled about it last minute, iirc.
I don't understand how you can even come to this conclusion tbh. Bringing up Boruto maybe not needing Uzuhiko bc of swordsman ship is a pointless argument because Sasuke was in the same boat and that didn’t help get over Momoshiki’s absorption, ontop of having Pre-Cog. It’s highly relevant. I think you need to understand the context and implications of your own arguments before saying somebody else's isn’t relevant.
Now this is Irrelevant because the matchup is Equal Stats and nothing actually says from a Skill Standpoint, Boruto is all that much more skilled than Sasuke, 1:1. Sasuke told him he still had to perfect everything he was taught and the training Boruto did with Koji was around learning future jutsu. So it’s “generous” to say Boruto might slightly be overall more skilled but, the only thing “supported” is that Boruto ~ Sasuke in Skill.
Lol, ok…
Like I said, you have no basis for this assertion, but if that’s your opinion, ok.
Likewise.
I think you don’t understand Momoshiki’s arsenal and what he can & cannot do, outside of skill.
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Again, I don't get the point of this argument. You said Nard and Sauce struggled, I said they had no issues with it.
How they did it has no relevance to what I'm addressing.
No, more like due to Momoshiki underestimating Boruto because he was literal fodder to him.
There was a drawn out fight not because they struggled with removing the eye but because they literally didn't need to. They basically had a fun experience with an alien punching bag and haven't even tried to remove the rinnegan until Momoshiki ate the pills to amp himself.
You're making it seem like they constantly tried going for the rinnegans and failed when they didn't even care and the moment they did try to get rid of it they were successful.
And it's clear from Momoshiki only noticing it after getting the eye stabbed that it was hidden. Which makes sense given we don't even see it ourselves.
Boruto being fast enough here can be PIS without him getting rid of the rinnegan being PIS. So no I don't have to assert anything about Borutos speed to say Boruto hid his kunai well enough for Momoshiki to not notice it.
Yeah those things don't remove the objects nor do they stop Boruto from using them again.
So you're basically saying Momoshiki needs to waste Shinra tensei/wood release amounts of chakra just to counter Boruto throwing a shuriken, and even then he can't stop Boruto from dodging his attacks by teleporting towards the objects. And that is a massive advantage both from a mobility perspective and from a stamina perspective.
I already did multiple times and you just keep saying ameno>FTG without actually addressing my points.
FTG greatly increases Borutos mobility both defensively and offensively. And simply being able to "counter" (more like respond to) offensive applications of FTG doesn't remove the fact that it forces out a response which, as you already demonstrated, tends to be far more difficult and stamina taxing than Boruto setting it up.
So even tho FTG may not be a decisive win con, it still gives him a major advantage and puts Momoshiki on his toes as he needs to constantly respond to any minor shuriken Boruto throws as not doing so can result in Boruto FTGing to it.
Except we know that's not true and that's exactly how Momoshiki got cornered into eating Kinshiki to begin with.
Except Sasuke didn't struggle, especially not with ameno. Sasuke never even attacked Momoshiki on his own, only in team efforts. But Naruto who is Sasukes equal had no issues tagging him and fighting on par with Momoshiki. So given that the skill difference should be something like this
TBV Burrito > start of training Boruto ~ Sasuke ~ Naruto ~ Momoshiki
With Boruto having superior knowledge and a moveset completely unknown to Momoshiki, I don't see how would Boruto struggle to tag him. Also mind you Boruto has 2 arms unlike Sasuke which is a pretty big advantage in cqc.
Not really. Sasuke mostly used his ability to swap objects or people (such as his kunai and chidori or himself with Momoshiki) which FTG outright doesn't do.
Meanwhile FTG tends to get spammed a lot more and is used to go directly towards a certain target. Meaning Borutos use of STN would be vastly different from Sasukes.
Yes exactly. Now imagine that happens with a rasengan of equal stats and not with a rasengan of sub-tree level stats. Momoshiki is going to have a big ass hole in his body before even realizing how VR works.
Because he kinda did. He tried to absorb it but couldn't see it so he failed. And even if he knew it just disappeared he'd have to perfectly predict the trajectory of an invisible attack.
Code and Ada both considered it a serious threat to him so in a stats equalized scenario it definitely has enough power to cause significant harm.
Yeah, I'm not saying it's an auto win, but VR being hard to avoid is just another advantage in Borutos favor and those advantages stack up.
Momoshiki now needs to pay attention to all of Borutos FTG marks, watch out for invisible attacks, and avoid getting his eyeball stabbed, all while fighting a master swordsman. And suddenly all these small things stack up to a pretty big overall advantage.
You: Boruto will struggle with absorption.
Me: No because Boruto mainly uses attacks that can't be absorbed.
I don’t see what's hard to understand about the point I'm making.
It really did help tho…???
They literally defeated Momoshiki with a smile on their face in the first round, his swordsmanship most definitely wasn't pointless or unhelpful.
And like I said while Boruto doesn't have sharingan precog, he has more than 6x the amount of training he needed to get to Sasukes skill level, 2x more arms (lol), and better prior knowledge about the opponent.
It's not relevant to the argument I was addressing. It was literally
"Boruto will struggle with absorption"
"no he won't"
"but what about Sasuke"
Sasukes actions have nothing to do with the fact that Borutos main fighting style doesn't suffer against absorption that much. Maybe it's relevant to the overall fight but not to this specific argument.
I'm pretty sure Boruto being more skilled than his opponent isn't irrelevant in a stats equalized match lol.
Okay one last time. Boruto learned and pretty much mastered almost all of Sasukes moves in half a year. Not just swordsmanship but ALL of Sasukes moves. Boruto then trains for 5x as long with the help of future sight to speed things up.
I find it extremely unlikely that Boruto nearly caught up to Sasuke in 6 months but could barely, only slightly surpass him with a boosted training in 30 months. You're basically saying his precog amped training was actually more than 5x less efficient in honing his skill.
It's generous to say Borutos growth became like 10x slower when he had the help of future sight? I think it's quite the opposite to be honest, it seems more likely a really unreasonable lowball.
Except for again, Boruto going from never using a real sword to almost Sasuke level swordsmanship in half a year and then continuing to train with the aid of future sight for 2.5 more years. Which I feel like is a really solid basis to say he's at least somewhat notably more skilled than Sasuke.
If Boruto is like 70% Sasuke level in 6 months, I can't really imagine him not being at least like 150% as skilled as Sasuke unless he just lost his sword and only found it again right before going to Konoha.
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@DavidTPPM Just answer me this question… In your mind, is Boruto throwing a Kunai or Shuriken & going from FTG to axing Momoshiki’s Rinnegan &/or arm as if a low diff?
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@DavidTPPM Just answer me this question… In your mind, is Boruto throwing a Kunai or Shuriken & going from FTG to axing Momoshiki’s Rinnegan &/or arm as if a low diff?
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Basically, what level of resistance do you think Momoshiki puts up against Boruto taking out his Rinnegan and/or Arm?
To me, it sounds like you think Boruto is doing this with…
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StrongeSo like… Sasuke, this mans teacher whom he pillaged his entire fighting style, never thought of that?
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Edit: Why isn't this link displaying the page like it does in the Death Battle Thread?
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Nah I'm not. It'd probably be high diff fight regardlessBasically, what level of resistance do you think Momoshiki puts up against Boruto taking out his Rinnegan and/or Arm?
To me, it sounds like you think Boruto is doing this with…
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Is this peak boruto debating lmfao
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Thats Delta vs Momoshiki, this is different
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If taking prior statements into account, just below Pain, but if not, then could be almost KCM Naruto tier. Has enough AP to one shot but is much slower and might not be able to get it off in time before stuff like a Rasenshuriken blowing her to bits or Amaterasu negging her. If speed equalized, she'd be like Founders tier unironically.
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my fav shippuden slayer
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Man, wish Boruto had something like this.
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I'm glad it doesn't. People get butthurt when Boruto is stronger in-universe, can you imagine the outrage if he was pulling something as insane as causal multi-planet DC
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Still, on panel planet busting and MFTL+ speed with space fights would be so nice, especially for scaling top tiers.I'm glad it doesn't. People get butthurt when Boruto is stronger in-universe, can you imagine the outrage if he was pulling something as insane as causal multi-planet DC
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“If” we’re going to get a space battle, I unfortunately think it’ll be Beerus vs Goku level.
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i want more hax anyway
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Honestly in my opinion, Inverse scaling is way too straightforward and kinda boring. Like, Code is stronger than Jigen, so by default, anyone stronger than Code is also stronger than Jigen which just oversimplifies everything. That’s why feats matter; they help separate characters for inverse scaling and even outside the verse.
A good example is how some people still think Prime Madara can beat Kaguya or Base Momoshiki, even though statements and the story itself say otherwise. The reason? Some of the biggest destruction feats they remember were mostly done by Madara or caused by him. When someone says, “This guy is so strong he’s going to collapse space-time,” people kinda shrug it off
(where is the proof?), But when a character points at a planet and blows it up in seconds, now that gets people’s attention (wow he solos your verse
).That’s why shows like Dragon Ball gets more respect in power scaling because clear, on-screen destruction just hits different compared to vague cosmic threats.
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2/10 Bait
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Hope Ikemoto doesn’t drop a single feat ever, “Naruto fans” don’t deserve it
They can’t even scale Shippuden properly
They can’t even scale Shippuden properly
