Kai (Ninjago) vs Awesome Android (Marvel Comics) [1-0-0]

[Tomfer]

Where's the proof Elements don't change ur body?

You're the one that should prove anything here, you're the one who says that tech-based haxs can be null, not me.

Zane can casually change robotic body yet keep his powers, so yes, his element are part of him

You'll need to prove that the stone can cancel these abilities then. That is related to him being a robot, but it doesn't say that it's related to his element. Unless you're saying that these robotic abilities are part of the UES? Lmao.

 

[AigerTheKing]

That, literally, is a nothing burger. Being one with their elements says nothing here.

But Android is also one with his Power Mimicry ability, isn't he?

So shooting ice from your hands is the same as changing your body? Makes sense. All I asked was a scan of that powernull affecting technology itself, not supernatural/fantastical powers.

Do we really need to explain to you what UES means?

They channel their powers through the bodies, obviously by taking that, they get weaker. It's not something only to Zane because he's a robot.

Because Zane isn't the only one to be able to do that is irrelevant

Android changes his own body into something new, different to whatever happened to Zane, and completely different to elemental stuff.

Lol he uses his Superhuman powers the same way someone like Karlof would do with his element. All of those are getting nulled like the others said

For my understanding Tomfer is right, nulling the elements is not the same as nulling every kind of power, for example nulling Zane's elemental powers doesn't make Zane stop moving because Zane's power source for his robot body was not actually affected only his elemental powers.

This litterally doesn't change anything? Just because Zane doesn't shut down when loosing his EP doesn't mean his body isn't linked to his powers, just like Android doesn't need his power mimicry as a power source either. And Vengstone doesn't only null Elements as shown in S6 but it doesn't matter here.

That is related to him being a robot, but it doesn't say that it's related to his element. Unless you're saying that these robotic abilities are part of the UES? Lmao.

???

 

[AigerTheKing]

I've already talked about that.

Android shoots fire and Kai full counters it back to him

 

[Tomfer]

At this point you're just throwing words together to see what sticks.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

You're the one that should prove anything here, you're the one who says that tech-based haxs can be null, not me.


You'll need to prove that the stone can cancel these abilities then. That is related to him being a robot, but it doesn't say that it's related to his element. Unless you're saying that these robotic abilities are part of the UES? Lmao.

I missed something important: Andy's power mimicry only works if he actually touches his victim physically and has the time to copy them. Else he ends up like this against stronger opponents

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And he can only copy them for 1h so Kai will eventually outlast and burn him to death later on

At this point you're just throwing words together to see what sticks.

The Fire Reflection thing is on his profile

He can also create a big wall of flames, or even surround his enemies with flames by running around them, trapping them. Additionally, he was shown to be capable of grabbing someone else's fire attack, purifying it with his own fire powers and throw it back at them. Kai has also shown on multiples occassions to be using fire to fly around quickly during combat, or to make himself faster.

 

[Tomfer]

I missed something important: Andy's power mimicry only works if he actually touches his victim physically and has the time to copy them. Else he ends up like this against stronger opponents

You didn't missed. For this match to happen, you need to let him copy otherwise this is a mismatch due to the enormous AP gap. If you don't let his only gimmick happen, what's the point of using him in a match? Especially with the tier difference.

And he can only copy them for 1h so Kai will eventually outlast and burn him to death later on

That's an old guide, the one I showed early said that he's been upgraded. Plus there's actual feats of him storing said powers for longer, guides are secondary canon that, if against a comic feat, means nothing.

The Fire Reflection thing is on his profile

I'm aware, and it's nothing since Android's fire is stronger, he can do the exact same and be a continuous back and forth.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

You didn't missed. For this match to happen, you need to let him copy otherwise this is a mismatch due to the enormous AP gap. If you don't let his only gimmick happen, what's the point of using him in a match? Especially with the tier difference.

I thought he could do it by pointing his finger at him which is why I made the match to begin with...mb

That's an old guide, the one I showed early said that he's been upgraded. Plus there's actual feats of him storing said powers for longer

How long?

, guides are secondary canon that, if against a comic feat, means nothing.

Yeah, new guidebook also said he could keep it for an hour, but ye it still works via skin contact
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I'm aware, and it's nothing since Android's fire is stronger, he can do the exact same and be a continuous back and forth.

Kai can spend days/a week walking around a desert with 0 rest, so depending on how long he keeps them, he can outlast

 

[Tomfer]

How long?

Months. It's said in the guide:

"The lastest upgrade enabled the android to mimic any living creature's powers and skills, and to retain multiple abilities for months, perhaps permanently."

Kai can spend days/a week walking around a desert with 0 rest, so depending on how long he keeps them, he can outlast

Since stats are all copied, stamina should be the same.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Months. It's said in the guide:

"The lastest upgrade enabled the android to mimic any living creature's powers and skills, and to retain multiple abilities for months, perhaps permanently."

Since stats are all copied, stamina should be the same.

Either Android wins via outlast, or Kai one shots at a range (and yes, he can start a fight throught a ranged attack)

 

[Tomfer]

Either Android wins via outlast, or Kai one shots at a range (and yes, he can start a fight throught a ranged attack)

Well, with the match's range being above Android's range, alongside the AP difference. It's clearly a mismatch then. Android won't be able to copy Kai and Kai's first move, with most of the time being a fireball or something similar, will one-shot him without any chance of response. If you change the starting distance, then Kai won't be able to do anything since he'll immediately copy and stat check Kai.

Both cases have a boring result.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Well, with the match's range being above Android's range, alongside the AP difference. It's clearly a mismatch then. Android won't be able to copy Kai and Kai's first move, with most of the time being a fireball or something similar, will one-shot him without any chance of response. If you change the starting distance, then Kai won't be able to do anything since he'll immediately copy and stat check Kai.

Yeah. This is the 2nd Marvel Comics fight that flops badly

Both cases have a boring result.

Would Captain Marvel 2 vs Kai be a better fight?

 

[Tomfer]

Would Captain Marvel 2 vs Kai be a better fight?

I've zero clue about those characters, my knowledge is with street level and a few low heralds only. You'll have to talk with Suige about that.