Kai (Ninjago) vs Awesome Android (Marvel Comics) [1-0-0]

[Lloydblitzed]

Kai fights Awesome Android
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Rules:
Pilots-Season 16 key is used for Kai and has access to his Vengestone Chain Gun
Speed is equalized
Fight takes place in Chen's Island Jungle
Starting Distance: 5m

Kai: @Johner2133451
Awesome Android:
Incon:

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Hmmmm... I'll wait until I know all the wincons of both.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Hmmmm... I'll wait until I know all the wincons of both.

Awesome Android can basically copy Kai's physicals and powers and evolve to become stronger than him if he isn't defeated quickly, while Kai can basically power null via Vengestone Gun and use his powers and skills

 

[Tomfer]

Can't Android just copy the Vengestone Gun and null Kai completely?

 

[AigerTheKing]

Awesome Android can basically copy Kai's physicals and powers and evolve to become stronger than him if he isn't defeated quickly, while Kai can basically power null via Vengestone Gun and use his powers and skills

Can he copy Kai's skills?

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Can't Android just copy the Vengestone Gun and null Kai completely?

Can he copy Kai's skills?

but he can't really copy Kai's combat skills, so Kai can just use it as an advantage and null him asw, which would fix the Vengestone issue

 

[AigerTheKing]

Can't Android just copy the Vengestone Gun and null Kai completely?

Kai can still use Spinjtzu when nulled, so he'll probably speed boost himself away from Vengestone. He will be physically weaker tho. Can Android copy multiple powers at once?

but he can't really copy Kai's combat skills, so Kai can just use it as an advantage and null him asw, which would fix the Vengestone issue

As in chain him and remove his powers like Faith did in Season 9 ?

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Can Android copy multiple powers at once?

No, he seemingly only copy one at the time. Tho like I said before, if he copies Kai's fire power, he can become stronger than Kai

As in chain him and remove his powers like Faith did in Season 9 ?

Yes

 

[Tomfer]

Kai can still use Spinjtzu when nulled, so he'll probably speed boost himself away from Vengestone

Reminder that Android copies and makes a better version of said ability, so there's argument to be made that he could null that if there's resistance to power null.

but he can't really copy Kai's combat skills,

He can copy skill, so he'll understand how to use it properly. It's the same level? No, but he can copy skill to a useful level still.

Reminder that not only he can copy Kai, he can stores previous powers and can use multiple abilities at once. So not only can Android copy Kai, understand spinjutsu and can copy his power null. Kai will be facing the powers of Human Torch, Iceman, and pratically everything in his profile already. Android has a vastly superior arsenal than Kai, with a few even being smurf haxs (Old profile, so don't mind that).

 

[AigerTheKing]

Reminder that Android copies and makes a better version of said ability, so there's argument to be made that he could null that if there's resistance to power null.

Kai/Vengestone doesn't have resistance to power null tbh

He can copy skill, so he'll understand how to use it properly. It's the same level? No, but he can copy skill to a useful level still.

That's gonna be a disaventage then

Reminder that not only he can copy Kai, he can stores previous powers and can use multiple abilities at once. So not only can Android copy Kai, understand spinjutsu and can copy his power null.

But if Android himself gets chained, he'll also get nulled and basically loose everything he copied

Kai will be facing the powers of Human Torch, Iceman, and pratically everything in his profile already. Android has a vastly superior arsenal than Kai,

Kai has fought a power mimicer with dozens of elements before tbh so it won't be that much of an issue

with a few even being smurf haxs (Old profile, so don't mind that).

Like?

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Reminder that Android copies and makes a better version of said ability, so there's argument to be made that he could null that if there's resistance to power null.


He can copy skill, so he'll understand how to use it properly. It's the same level? No, but he can copy skill to a useful level still.

Reminder that not only he can copy Kai, he can stores previous powers and can use multiple abilities at once. So not only can Android copy Kai, understand spinjutsu and can copy his power null. Kai will be facing the powers of Human Torch, Iceman, and pratically everything in his profile already. Android has a vastly superior arsenal than Kai, with a few even being smurf haxs (Old profile, so don't mind that).

I will argue Kai uses Stealth Mastery and takes him by suprise with the Vengestone Gun. From what I saw, Android usually fights using the powers of his opponents directly instead of the powers of his old foes

Like?

Since he copied Thor, I suppose he gets Magic Abilities

 

[Tomfer]

But if Android himself gets chained, he'll also get nulled and basically loose everything he copied

I will argue Kai uses Stealth Mastery and takes him by suprise with the Vengestone Gun. From what I saw, Android usually fights using the powers of his opponents directly instead of the powers of his old foes

From what I remember, Kai's first move is mostly an offensive usage of fire, he couldn't start with powernull unless given prior knowledge. That is enough time for Android to just copy everything and win. And stealth couldn't work because he has infra-red vision.

Also, I'd like a few scans of the Gun working. Because depending on how it works, I'll even say that the power null couldn't even work.

Kai has fought a power mimicer with dozens of elements before tbh so it won't be that much of an issue

Not on the same level, that's for sure. You're comparing someone with a good elemental arsenal to someone with a vastly superior ability arsenal. Just look at every other profile linked on his tabber and you'll there's no comparasion to be made.

Like?

Quicksilver's speed amps, and Monica's abilities are being talked right now, with a few saying that she should be tier 1.

Also this:

Since he copied Thor, I suppose he gets Magic Abilities

But I'll argue that since it's not on the profile, we could ignore.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

From what I remember, Kai's first move is mostly an offensive usage of fire, he couldn't start with powernull unless given prior knowledge. That is enough time for Android to just copy everything and win. And stealth couldn't work because he has infra-red vision.

With the chain gun, he use the gun as a 1st move. Also, Kai can grab Android's flames and reflect them back to him

Also, I'd like a few scans of the Gun working. Because depending on how it works, I'll even say that the power null couldn't even work.

As soon as you're hit, ur done

Quicksilver's speed amps, and Monica's abilities are being talked right now, with a few saying that she should be tier 1.

Also this:

But I'll argue that since it's not on the profile, we could ignore.

If its stomp, there's not really a point in the fight anymore But I could swap for Post Releasement Kai (for big AP amps advantage) or SOE Kai (for way way more hax)

 

[Tomfer]

As soon as you're hit, ur done

Unless Ninjago elemental stuff comes or is related to their physiology, I say that this powernull wouldn't work on Android. His powers comes from his own body adaptation, and unless that nulls the body itself, the best that could do is null a portion of his arsenal. It's the same logic of resisting a supernatural form of hax wouldn't be equal to resisting the technological form of said hax. (Aka resisting a magical sleep beam =/= resisting a sleeping drug)

If its stomp, there's not really a point in the fight anymore But I could swap for Post Releasement Kai (for big AP amps advantage) or SOE Kai (for way way more hax)

AP isn't a problem to Android since he went from 5-B to 3-C (or L1-C, dunno anymore, Thor has too many tiers) almost instantly against Thor. SOE is the staff, right? Android can copy anything, inclunding equipment, so he could copy that too.

 

[AigerTheKing]

Its implied here that Android can only copy the abilities of Super-humans and Living Beings. He can't copy objects so he can't copy the Vengestone chain gun

 

[AigerTheKing]

Unless Ninjago elemental stuff comes or is related to their physiology,

Its linked to physiology

 

[Tomfer]

Its implied here that Android can only copy the abilities of Super-humans and Living Beings. He can't copy objects so he can't copy the Vengestone chain gun

He literally copied Tony's armor, bro. He has literally everything, including his reactor. C'mon, bro.

Its linked to physiology

I'll need some proof because the page says it's a martial arts. That's it.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

I'll need some proof because the page says it's a martial arts. That's it.

Standard Elemental Master Abilities

Only Spinjitzu is a martial art, his elemental powers comes from his Elemental Master physiology

AP isn't a problem to Android since he went from 5-B to 3-C (or L1-C, dunno anymore, Thor has too many tiers) almost instantly against Thor. SOE is the staff, right? Android can copy anything, inclunding equipment, so he could copy that too.

Technically SOE can also copy power by touching Android

 

[Tomfer]

Only Spinjitzu is a martial art, his elemental powers comes from his Elemental Master physiology

You'll need to help me see anything because from a surface level look, it's just magical energy. Not actually comparable to body-related powers like Android's. Android's mimicry is related to him being a robot, not having magical beams or whatever.

Technically SOE can also copy power by touching Android

That... is just an extra step of getting wrecked. Android will continue to just get better faster and win. Especially since Android seems will have the advantage in H2H.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

You'll need to help me see anything because from a surface level look, it's just magical energy. Not actually comparable to body-related powers like Android's. Android's mimicry is related to him being a robot, not having magical beams or whatever.

Scroll down and you'll see Kai has UES due to Elemental Powers. And yeah, even a robot can have Elemental Powers and have his elements nulled (Zane) bc they are one with his body

That... is just an extra step of getting wrecked. Android will continue to just get better faster and win. Especially since Android seems will have the advantage in H2H.

If SOE copies his ability, he will also keep growing

 

[Johner2133451]

Seems like the fight just comes down to skill, Kai would win here

 

[AigerTheKing]

Seems like the fight just comes down to skill, Kai would win here

If he in-char starts with his opponent's ability and can't even entirely copy skills, I don't see why he won't get outskilled and chained down, or like Lloyd said, get his fire beams shot back at him

Additionally, he was shown to be capable of grabbing someone else's fire attack, purifying it with his own fire powers and throw it back at them.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

If he in-char starts with his opponent's ability and can't even entirely copy skills, I don't see why he won't get outskilled and chained down, or like Lloyd said, get his fire beams shot back at him

You'll need to help me see anything because from a surface level look, it's just magical energy. Not actually comparable to body-related powers like Android's. Android's mimicry is related to him being a robot, not having magical beams or whatever.


That... is just an extra step of getting wrecked. Android will continue to just get better faster and win. Especially since Android seems will have the advantage in H2H.

Are these votes for Kai and Android?

 

[Tomfer]

Scroll down and you'll see Kai has UES due to Elemental Powers.

Isn't UES just a way to scale magic to physicals?

And yeah, even a robot can have Elemental Powers and have his elements nulled (Zane) bc they are one with his body

Not my point? My point being that nulling elemental powers =/= nulling Android's mimicry. One is magic BS, other is technology BS, nulling one doesn't mean nulling the other. Zane's powers are not related to him being an android while Android's are. And since Zane was physically normal when his powers were taken, they did not affected his robotic physiology.

If SOE copies his ability, he will also keep growing

Giving Android a perfect chance to copy Kai and a free hit? Not the best plan. Best case scenario is them hitting each other until both get tired.

If he in-char starts with his opponent's ability and can't even entirely copy skills, I don't see why he won't get outskilled and chained down, or like Lloyd said, get his fire beams shot back at him

Because he'll be stronger than Kai when he gets copied? Android copies everything, even stats. Kai won't be able to chain him down and his fire won't do shit.

Are these votes for Kai and Android?

I'm not voting yet.

 

[Tomfer]

Speaking of skill, I did some research and it seems that he can copy skill indeed. With the fact that he was able to copy things like the ability to play instruments and Thor's worthiness. Marvel Guide even put his stats a master of several martial arts with his mimicry and it states that he can copy skills.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Isn't UES just a way to scale magic to physicals?

It will still null his Elemental Powers + I also don't understand why Android would suddently become resistant to it

Not my point? My point being that nulling elemental powers =/= nulling Android's mimicry. One is magic BS, other is technology BS,

Vengestone isn't tech, its litterally a special stone, and it could still null his superhuman abilities

nulling one doesn't mean nulling the other. Zane's powers are not related to him being an android while Android's are. And since Zane was physically normal when his powers were taken, they did not affected his robotic physiology.

Zane is weaker when he looses his powers and was NOT physically normal at all

Because he'll be stronger than Kai when he gets copied? Android copies everything, even stats. Kai won't be able to chain him down and his fire won't do shit.

Him getting stronger won't save him from getting power nulled, nor stop Kai from redirecting any blasts Android shoots back to him. He's also comparable to the other Ninjas who can defeat someone who has all of their skills

 

[Tomfer]

Vengestone isn't tech, its litterally a special stone

You're still missing my point? I'm not talking about the stone, I'm talking about Android. He's the tech BS. Nulling elemental powers is not the same as nulling tech powers.

The stone was able to null elemental powers from Zone, but not any tech BS he has. Show me a scan of the stone stopping tech-based haxs, that's what I'm asking.

Zane is weaker when he looses his powers and was NOT physically normal at all

You're saying that he won't get nulled, but just get weaker then? Perfect chance for Android to copy the stone and get a better null.

Him getting stronger won't save him from getting power nulled, nor stop Kai from redirecting any blasts Android shoots back to him

Besides the fact that I'm saying that he won't get nulled, he'll just break free for having a better LS due to copy.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

You're still missing my point? I'm not talking about the stone, I'm talking about Android. He's the tech BS. Nulling elemental powers is not the same as nulling tech powers.

The point is that he won't be able to use Kai's powers or any other superhuman powers besides mimicry bc they get nulled

The stone was able to null elemental powers from Zone, but not any tech BS he has. Show me a scan of the stone stopping tech-based haxs, that's what I'm asking.

Vengestone works on all Elemental Powers, which includes Sora who is the Master of Tech and can manipulate tech

You're saying that he won't get nulled, but just get weaker then? Perfect chance for Android to copy the stone and get a better null.

He gets nulled and becomes weaker due to that.

Besides the fact that I'm saying that he won't get nulled, he'll just break free for having a better LS due to copy.

Are u not understanding that Kai could use Android stronger Fire powers to his advantage? He's also comparable to the other Ninjas who can defeat someone who has all of their skills. Also, if Kai hits his weakspot, its over

 

[Tomfer]

The point is that he won't be able to use Kai's powers or any other superhuman powers besides mimicry bc they get nulled

Besides the fact that he'll still copy the stone and effectively be immune to all of Kai's attacks will do nicely then.

Vengestone works on all Elemental Powers, which includes Sora who is the Master of Tech and can manipulate tech

It's not the same at all? Magically manipulating tech is NOT the same as being tech. You need to show scans of the stone nulling tech.

Also what a horrible profile without any scans and references. I had to look her up and she's literally the same as everyone, magic stuff.

He gets nulled and becomes weaker due to that.

So he won't get affected at all? Good to know.

Are u not understanding that Kai could use Android stronger Fire powers to his advantage? He's also comparable to the other Ninjas who can defeat someone who has all of their skills. Also, if Kai hits his weakspot, its over

And Android would brush off anything Kai throws at him, best case scenario, will be a worthless back and forth. He'll need prior knowledge for that since Reed only knew that because he MADE the plans of the android and took notes. That will also need Kai to hold him still, and since that he'll require to get closer, Android could just smack him with superior LS due to mimicry. Skill isn't a problem either since he'll just be comparable to Kai himself with copy, that's it.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Besides the fact that he'll still copy the stone and effectively be immune to all of Kai's attacks will do nicely then.

Nowhere in the page is it stated Android gains immunities from Power Mimicry

It's not the same at all? Magically manipulating tech is NOT the same as being tech. You need to show scans of the stone nulling tech.

Elements and Magic are 2 distinct system in Ninjago lol

Also what a horrible profile without any scans and references. I had to look her up and she's literally the same as everyone, magic stuff.

Why do u keep saying Elements = Magic

So he won't get affected at all? Good to know.

How do u reach this conclusion? This is not what I said

And Android would brush off anything Kai throws at him, best case scenario,

Android will brush off his OWN AP being hurled back at him?

will be a worthless back and forth. He'll need prior knowledge for that since Reed only knew that because he MADE the plans of the android and took notes. That will also need Kai to hold him still, and since that he'll require to get closer, Android could just smack him with superior LS due to mimicry.

If Kai is comparable to him skill wise, nothing stops him from blasting Android until the weakspot is hit

Skill isn't a problem either since he'll just be comparable to Kai himself with copy, that's it.

Yeah I'd like to see Average IQ user outsmart Gifted Combat IQ Kai

 

[Tomfer]

Nowhere in the page is it stated Android gains immunities from Power Mimicry

What? I was talking about Kai's other stuff, not that. What are you saying?

Elements and Magic are 2 distinct system in Ninjago lol

Why do u keep saying Elements = Magic

It's a way of saying. I'm not literally saying it's magic. I meant to say that it's not related to tech at all.

How do u reach this conclusion? This is not what I said

Because you've yet to show me the scan I asked, and without proof. I say that Kai's powernull is worthless against Android while Android can copy it and use it on Kai.

Android can make his entire body into the powernull stone like he did with the Thing's body and Iron Man's armor. And any attempt of Kai into getting close will do nothing.

If Kai is comparable to him skill wise, nothing stops himf from blasting Android until the weakspot is hit

Yeah I'd like to see Average IQ user outsmart Gifted Combat IQ Kai

Speaking of skill, I did some research and it seems that he can copy skill indeed. With the fact that he was able to copy things like the ability to play instruments and Thor's worthiness. Marvel Guide even put his stats a master of several martial arts with his mimicry and it states that he can copy skills.

I've already talked about that.

 

[AigerTheKing]

If Zane is a robot and his Element is one with his body, that litterally means he's in the same position as Android here. I don't see why we assume power null isn't going to work on him because he's a robot. He is still vulnerable to nulling

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Human, robot, plant, dead, immortal, fast, slow — powernull is the same everywhere

 

[Tomfer]

If Zane is a robot and his Element is one with his body, tthat litterally means he's in the same position as Android here. I don't see why we assume power null isn't going to work on him because he's a robot. He is still vulnerable to nulling

One is not related to his robotic body, the other is. That's an extremely weak argument. One power is shooting ice from his hands, the other is changing his entire body and adapting. Saying that is the same as saying that powernull can stop a normal water gun from shooting water.

 

[Livinmeme]

Human, robot, plant, dead, immortal, fast, slow — powernull is the same everywhere

No, not really, there are specialized power nulls that can only powernull certain things, like how lindon power null works by cleaning the energy inside of people

 

[AigerTheKing]

No, not really, there are specialized power nulls that can only powernull certain things, like how lindon power null works by cleaning the energy inside of people

And Vengestone nulls power, hell its even able to null a soul's powers

One is not related to his robotic body, the other is. That's an extremely weak argument.

What part of this scan implies his Element isn't related to his robotic body? "When this happens, the Master's body and their element become one"

Its also stated that when a Elemental Master reach True Potential, their powers expands and they become one with their element

One power is shooting ice from his hands,

No, and again this is not what UES is about

the other is changing his entire body and adapting. Saying that is the same as saying that powernull can stop a normal water gun from shooting water.

Amazing false equivalency

 

[Lloydblitzed]

One is not related to his robotic body, the other is. That's an extremely weak argument.

Must be why his robotic body becomes wayyyy weaker without his element

 

[Tomfer]

And Vengestone nulls power, hell its even able to null a soul's powers

There's no soul talking happening. And it's worthless here since dude's a robot.

What part of this scan implies his Element isn't related to his robotic body?

That, literally, is a nothing burger. Being one with their elements says nothing here.

Amazing false equivalency

So shooting ice from your hands is the same as changing your body? Makes sense. All I asked was a scan of that powernull affecting technology itself, not supernatural/fantastical powers.

Must be why his robotic body becomes wayyyy weaker without his element

It's just an in-verse weakness then? They channel their powers through the bodies, obviously by taking that, they get weaker. It's not something only to Zane because he's a robot. Android changes his own body into something new, different to whatever happened to Zane, and completely different to elemental stuff.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

There's no soul talking happening. And it's worthless here since dude's a robot.

So shooting ice from your hands is the same as changing your body? Makes sense. All I asked was a scan of that powernull affecting technology itself, not supernatural/fantastical powers.

Where's the proof Elements don't change ur body?

It's just an in-verse weakness then? They channel their powers through the bodies, obviously by taking that, they get weaker. It's not something only to Zane because he's a robot. Android changes his own body into something new

All he does is physically channel the powers he gain as well. 0 difference

, different to whatever happened to Zane, and completely different to elemental stuff.

Zane can casually change robotic body yet keep his powers, so yes, his element are part of him

Immortality (Types 1 & 6), Possession and Technology Manipulation (Should his body be destroyed, his spirit can possess other technological devices and even rebuild his body with enough resources.)

 

[Scarletjet]

For my understanding Tomfer is right, nulling the elements is not the same as nulling every kind of power, for example nulling Zane's elemental powers doesn't make Zane stop moving because Zane's power source for his robot body was not actually affected only his elemental powers.
Essencially UES doesn't equalize robot abilities and elemental abilities because they don't have a similar source possible to equalize as such abilities that are specific to elemental energy from Ninjago only work on that energy or abilities with that same source and nothing else.