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Marvel/DC and the word consistent should not be used in the same sentence
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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread
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yeah something so simple, and still i find very strange that there is no statement about it, in the same show.
CelestialVortex01
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ok maybe the word "used more" or "mentioned more"works better for you?Marvel/DC and the word consistent should not be used in the same sentence
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man, how funny man, it is really funny man
Ruphas_Mafahl123
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In GT It's mentioned by the narrator there are infinite galaxies. However, this doesn't apply to Super and the main canon
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Is it only me and we had this same topic and conversation like... 4 times already?
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I have no problem with GT...I have a problem with the main canon
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time is circular, so yes, we had this conversation before, and before this, and before this, and before this
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Of course they use the word infinite more often. Theyāve been around for 80+ years. The inconsistency is their constant rehash/contradiction/retcon of their concept of infinite, roles of characters, power levels of characters, and origins of characters. The word consistent is most definitely not the right word. Even if the writers go and say āeverything is canon, so there should be no issuesā.
Very double standard and uninformed to make such a claim for Marvel/DC.
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is not a double standard.
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Omega when will you fix this?
"Large Star level as a Super Saiyan (After transforming, Trunks' energy was misidentified as that of Super Saiyan Goku's. Sparred equally with Goku. Exerting "overwhelming strength", Trunks instantly defeated and completely erased Mecha Frieza, leaving Frieza's body beyond repair and reducing him to atoms, leaving behind no trace. Displaying "no mercy" and "no hesitation", he single-handedly killed King Cold with "one strike at the heart", achieving a "perfect victory". Could survive against the Future Androids within three years of training, despite Future Gohan being easily defeated) "
Ruphas_Mafahl123
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We already accept Toei-verse and GT by default having infinite sized Universes.
People are now arguing for Canon Dragon Ball to have it????.
Like, the guides that said the universe was infinite only applies to the Z Anime and GT plus the Z movies.
However, those guides were specifically made for the Toei dbz anime, not DBZ manga and DBZ Kai that precedes DBS.
So people are now trying to force it on Daima and Super? lol...atleast in GT there is a mention of infinite sized Universe, there is 0 in the DBS Anime, manga or Daima lol
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Well to the Super Anime people tried it because we do have Kai follow it's timeline (It got rejected)
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What the hell is wrong with it?
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The kind of revisions I love to see.
Ruphas_Mafahl123
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DBZ kai is more loyal to the manga canon, those guides are old and were only made specifically for the original Z anime, also the dbs anime redifines the cosmology and stuff like that, thats why Dragon Ball super cant scale to that
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Wasn't there visible black chunks falling from where Trunks blasted him? In Super Shenron revives him in pieces, supposedly from the state he was left in after his death
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Trunks's blast reduced Frieza to what Daizenshuu 7 described as 微唵 (mizin), which can be translated as "particle", "fragment", "atom", "little piece", "tiny amount", etc. The idea the word conveys is akin to that of a minute, insignificant speck of dust, which can be interpreted in any of the ways mentioned above. To say he atomized Frieza, as Daizenshuu 7 suggests, is not an idea contradicted by any other official media; in fact, Resurrection 'F' depicts Frieza being completely erased within the smoke. Besides, the Kanzentai/Kanzenshuu team is who initially translated the word as "atoms", and they consist of individuals much more knowledgeable in Japanese than I am.
Yes, the state he was in before death. Being cut up by Trunks did not kill Frieza,āagain, in Resurrection 'F', he is resurrected in the form of still living chunks,ābeing atomized killed Frieza because every part of his body had been destroyed beyond repair.
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Right, but at the end of the day, Kai is a re-edited version of the TV anime with the anime-only episodes removed.
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Have you been avoiding my calculations, Damage?
Ruphas_Mafahl123
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Yeah, but connecting it to the DBS Anime and the main canon already renders the infinite universe thingy nule (for canon DB) kek. Also the fact that DBZ Kai itself has much less filler and changes than the original Z Anime that one can argue Kai and the Z manga arent that far off after all.
The DBZ Toei anime is its own main thing, DBZ Kai aswell that one can consider both separate continuities. And the guides were specifically made for the Z Anime, not kai in mind, as in GT the narrator backs-up what the guides said about the infinite universe thingy, and gt follows directly the original Z anime and some movies. Also, Daima doesn't help at all in this situation.
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could have an RCT of this
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the content has already been revised.
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It is not, you know that youself
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yeah i know it is stupid...but shit it is what it is
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I think it's the DC universe that looks like a pizza, i remember Gogeta holding this pizza in a Brazilian meme, saying there is an edge and a center with mere assumptions from Bulma is so unpleasant, but if you say that the Universe has an end (within the work itself) , i would easily accept that the Universe is not actually infinite.
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Bulma, the same character Who build a time a machine?yeah i believe her Word, also Jaco never contradicted what she said, he just said "the universe is vast you know"
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Jaco contains knowledge about galaxies, Bulma has great knowledge about many worlds theory and time machines, even the Sheron no knows about the center of the Universe, why would Bulma know?
Bulma is also literally refuted by Jaco, Jaco calls her stupid saying that it contains countless galaxies like Earth and says that it is impossible, that alone refutes Bulma's theory.
If Bulma was really that smart she would know about other Universes, but she only knew about in DBS (after the battle of the gods ), so Bulma doesn't have much relevance when it comes to knowledge about the universe, if you were saying that a Kaioshin said that, i would definitely believe it, especially because the Kaioshins look over the entire Universe, Bulma's knowledge is limited to time machines and knowledge about machines, she has no knowledge about the Universe.
Furthermore, the person who invented the time machine was Bulma from the future, not Bulma from the present, bonus... Bulma needs notes to have knowledge about the time machine
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if you watched the scene, Shenron said that space is very vast, he never says it is infinite, and the idea of the universe having a center or edge it is still not contradicted, and also we know Shernons powers have a limit (man it was always said he has limits with his powers)
Jaco insulting Bulma doesn't make him right, and again, he just tells her that the universe is very big, he doesn't say something like "are you an idiot? The universe has no center or edge", he tells her "are you an idiot? The galaxy is very big, and there are countless galaxies in the universe" which is not the same thing, same with the above, two things can be true.
you can say "heaven is flawed, but it is still good"and not say "heaven is flawed, so heaven is evil"
Man, inventing a time machine as a human being must put your intelligence at a very high level, as if it were a very small feat...and IT IS NOT.
They are still the same person, unless we argue that the Bulma of the future is smarter (there is no proof of this). Also, we have to remember that she made the time machine... in a period where the androids were even more evil and sadistic.
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Your gonna keep this debate forever man. The Infinite Universe thingy is not accepted for canon Dragon Ball here, it's been rejected a couple of times, chill.
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he quoted me, so i discussed him
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As I said earlier, Sheron is omniscient about things, and he doesn't even know where the center of the Universe is, which disproves that there is no center of the Universe.
He actually insults Bulma by cursing her and refuting her on this subject, and says that it is impossible, that is, there is no center of the Universe until this moment shown.
She wasn't the one who made the time machine, it was her alternate version, Bulma from the present has no knowledge about time machines and uses notes from her future version.
They are not the same people, they are alternate versions from another timeline, Bulma from the present does not know how to recreate a time machine and has to use notes.
In short, the only things you know how to talk about are theories taken from crazy Bulma who has little knowledge about the universe, she barely knew that other Universes existed... You come with this she draws a theory based on nothing and which is later refuted and cursed by Jaco, Could you show me where the center of the Universe shown in the work is without theories taken from Bulma who has no knowledge about the Universe?
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He can't stand being refuted all the time and is trying to get rid of us out of exhaustion.
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first of all, shenron is not omniscient, the profile says his intelligence is average, second of all, the question how to find the super dragon ball in universe 6, and Shenron said that he can't, because he is not that mighty (aka, he is not that powerful)and the universe is very vast, he never even says that the universe does not have a center, just that it is BIG, man please.
again, two things can be true, you can say that the earth is big from our perspective, that does not mean the earth is a never ending thing.
SEE THE SCENE, Jaco tells Bulma that the universe is very big, he does not deny that the universe has a center or edge, he tells her that the universe is still big, big enough to hard to find something ON THE CENTER of the universe.
Except how the hell could the future version build a time machine if he had no knowledge? Again, future Bulma, built a time machine, with few resources, the Bulma from the present not being able to do it is just because of time.
how did bulma from the future build the time machine if she also didn't have notes?
could you show me the part where Jaco said that Bulma is wrong about the universe having a center?
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man, your arguments are literraly not reading the scene, when did Shenron said the universe had no center?when did Jaco said that Bulma was wrong about the universe having a center?He can't stand being refuted all the time and is trying to get rid of us out of exhaustion.
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Ahh yes the same counterarguments from the previous infinite universes thread over and over, atp ts might be deja vu 
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