Danny Phantom vs Cumber [Stomp/Latter]

[Apotheosis69]

Rules​

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• A Glitch in Time Danny Phantom, and Universe Mission Cumber are used.
  • Danny Phantom has All of Fenton Works Technology, including the Ecto-Skeleton and Time Medallion.
  • Cumber can go all the way up to Full Power Super Saiyan 3.
• Starting distance is 100 meters.
  • Battle takes place anywhere within the Dragon Ball Heroes or Danny Phantom cosmology. (Because of their Dimensional/Time Travel they can go anywhere during the fight, to destroy cause why not destruction)
• 1-C tiering for Danny Phantom is entirely restricted.
  • Thus, both Danny Phantom and Cumber are both Low 1-C
  • Win cons Must be Death (Thus both are in character but willing to kill). No BFR or Sealing of any kind.
• Speed is equalized at Immeasurable
• Both can be fully Enraged.

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Music​

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I AM THE FINAL LINE


The Evil Saiyan

The Ghost Hunter

Inconclusive​

 

[Mr._Propeller_Hat]

You didn't link the profiles, also, you can't use the Ecto-Skeleton when you're using the Glitch in Time key as that's only for the Season 2 key.

 

[Apotheosis69]

You didn't link the profiles, also, you can't use the Ecto-Skeleton when you're using the Glitch in Time key as that's only for the Season 2 key.

Where does it say Season 2 only? Thought only the Reality Guantlet is Season 2 only.

And in his profile for A Glitch in Time, it says all Fenton Technology.

 

[Arkansalter2]

When did Danny become L-1C? Last time I seen him, he was 2-A.

 

[Apotheosis69]

Up to 1-C [6-D] actually. Really openin the doors for more fights.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Really openin the doors for more fights.

I can think of a decent amount of 1-C's that can def be used against Danny.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Now on with the argument, Danny stomps. Cucumber cannot interact with Danny's layered intangibility.

 

[Apotheosis69]

Damn, never thought of that.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Where does it say Season 2 only? Thought only the Reality Guantlet is Season 2 only.

And in his profile for A Glitch in Time, it says all Fenton Technology.

The Ecto-Skeleton was created and destroyed in season 2. That's why it's only mentioned in season 2 Danny's stat justifications. The reason it says all Fenton Works technology is because he has access to all the technology but obviously only when it was created. For example, season 1 Danny wouldn't have access to tech that was showcased in season 2. I'll update his profile to make that clear but it's basically unusable unless it's Season 2 characters (Danny, Jazz, or Jack mainly).

When did Danny become L-1C? Last time I seen him, he was 2-A.

Here's the thread where it was accepted

Now on with the argument, Danny stomps. Cucumber cannot interact with Danny's layered intangibility.

Danny's intangibility isn't passive, so Cumber can effect his tangible form and damage it because Ki can harm abstract emotions (which is what ghosts true forms are). Danny needs to activate his layered intangibility (thought based).

For the match itself. Cumber's scaling chain is massive (specifically because DB multiplier scaling who ha), his base form unrestricted is scaling to CC Goku's God/Blue form which is already over a 200x multiplier going off our current canon multipliers and it just gets worse with his transformations. I mentioned 200 because A Glitch in Time Danny is 100x baseline Low 1-C for scaling to characters that are on or above Ecto-Skeleton Danny's level which has a 100x multiplier from his season 2 self, so stack the Ecto-Skeleton on again (since the OP gave him access to it) and you get another 100x

And while Danny's intangibility is layered, it doesn't mean to much since he starts tangible and Cumber passively drains his opponents stamina and has Dimension Domain which sets his opponents stamina to zero so Danny's immediately going to revert to his human form and gets killed. His Immortality is useless since Ki for Xenoverse/Heroes can interact with abstract emotions so Danny Phantom's true self gets one shot if Cumber blasts him.

Danny's only would be win condition is his layered possession but he doesn't lead with it. Ice attacks which is more common and is cold enough to freeze people who have resistance to cold and causes them to become brittle and fall apart. It can even do this to energy attacks so technically Danny can freeze Cumber's energy attacks. To me it heavily depends on if Cumber uses Dimension Domain which is an instant loss for Danny. However if Cumber isn't the type to do that, he'll potentially get frozen if he tries close combat or thinks he can no sell Danny's energy attacks which ignore conventional durability.

 

[Vietthai96]

Starting distance is 10 meters

Cumber's Evil Aura passively corrupt the hell out of Danny

BBM Evil Aura is 2 layers in corruption and madness hax

 

[Apotheosis69]

Cumber's Evil Aura passively corrupt the hell out of Danny

BBM Evil Aura is 2 layers in corruption and madness hax

Where does it say its 2 Layers? Thought its 1. Due to him being able to affect Big Bang Mission Goku and Vegeta, who then resisted his Prison Planet Arc aura.

 

[Vietthai96]

Where does it say its 2 Layers? Thought its 1. Due to him being able to affect Big Bang Mission Goku and Vegeta, who then resisted his Prison Planet Arc aura.

Mindhax layers ig

vsbattles.fandom.com

Big Bang Mission Evil Aura can corrupt both CC Goku and CC Vegeta who resist the Evil Aura in Universe Mission, the Evil Aura in Universe Mission can corrupt Goku who has God Ki, God Ki made him resist Dark Ki which is baseline corruption, madness, mind and moral hax

 

[Apotheosis69]

Huh I see.

NGL, I thought this could be a fair match since Danny does have 1 Layer Resistance to Corruption.

But this is seeming more of a stomp for Cumber. Damn


You should put those Layers in the pages themselves.

 

[Vietthai96]

Huh I see.

NGL, I thought this could be a fair match since Danny does have 1 Layer Resistance to Corruption.

But this is seeming more of a stomp for Cumber. Damn


You should put those Layers in the pages themselves.

You could put more starting distance between two fighters to not get passived at the start, but Cumber throw generic evil aura blast can still corrupt you if it hit

The layer blog is on Special Ki Manipulation, which the Evil Aura on Cumber profile is linked to

 

[DaReaperMan]

Cumber?

Regardless, following.

 

[Apotheosis69]

You could put more starting distance between two fighters to not get passived at the start, but Cumber throw generic evil aura blast can still corrupt you if it hit

Changed the OP. Starting distance is now 100 meters, and Danny has full prior knowledge of Cumber's Evil Aura.

The layer blog is on Special Ki Manipulation, which the Evil Aura on Cumber profile is linked to

I understand that, but I feel like putting the Layers in the P&A of Characters or the Special Ki Manipulatiion page itself would be much better.

Example: Corruption (2 Layers; Explanation)

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Cumber's Evil Aura passively corrupt the hell out of Danny

BBM Evil Aura is 2 layers in corruption and madness hax

Resistance plus Reactive Evolution should take care of that, since Danny's resistances have been shown to increase multiple layers.

 

[Vietthai96]

I understand that, but I feel like putting the Layers in the P&A of Characters or the Special Ki Manipulatiion page itself would be much better.

Example: Corruption (2 Layers; Explanation)

Well, tbh, i'm not a fan of putting layers on profile bruhh

Resistance plus Reactive Evolution should take care of that, since Danny's resistances have been shown to increase multiple layers.

Iirc Danny has only 1 layer resistance, also is it 5D?, he still get corrupted for a while before evolving, that enough time for Cumber to oneshot, since Cumber AP scaling chain is massively > Danny. Cumber base > SSB level Goku and Vegeta who individually in their base > TPU Mechikabura, and TPU Machikabura is above baseline infinite Low 1-C

Cumber isn't the one who playing around, if he sense that Danny power level isn't worth his time, he going for the kill, actually Cumber going for the beating all the time

 

[Ebihara]

Changed the OP. Starting distance is now 100 meters, and Danny has full prior knowledge of Cumber's Evil Aura.

I understand that, but I feel like putting the Layers in the P&A of Characters or the Special Ki Manipulatiion page itself would be much better.

Example: Corruption (2 Layers; Explanation)

agreed, this is the easiest approach for presenting the info, I dont see a good reason to not have it on the page as well as the ki page just makes the info more accessible.

 

[Apotheosis69]

Actually wait…

Universe Mission Cumbers Evil Aura is 1 Layer right?
Plus him being nowhere near as strong as Big Bang Mission can hopefully make this more fair.

 

[Vietthai96]

Universe Mission Cumbers Evil Aura is 1 Layer right?

Yes

Plus him being nowhere near as strong as Big Bang Mission can hopefully make this more fair.

umber AP scaling chain is massively > Danny. Cumber base > SSB level Goku and Vegeta who individually in their base > TPU Mechikabura, and TPU Machikabura is above baseline infinite Low 1-C

This is already his Universe Mission scaling chain, so.....still one shot Danny anyway

 

[Apotheosis69]

This is already his Universe Mission scaling chain, so.....still one shot Danny anyway

Dang was hopin Glitch in Time who is far above 100x Season 2 Ecto-Skeleton Danny (who should be far above Baseline Low 1-C… adding another 100x for the Ecto-Skeleton.

Changed Cumber to Universe Mission

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Iirc Danny has only 1 layer resistance, also is it 5D?, he still get corrupted for a while before evolving.

The corruption wouldn't do anything though. The mental applications revolves around Madness Manipulation (Type 2) which is mind based (causing them to snap, go berserk and such) and that can be resisted through resistance to Mind Manipulation to which Danny has about 5 layers of. So the corruption aspect turns him evil but that wouldn't make him lose himself. As for it being 5-D, ghost energy scales to 4-D but with the cosmology buff it should be 5-D, but considering the change in HD hax, I'll need to make a new thread to discuss it. So right now I guess it's still 4-D so the corruption and madness would still work as of now.

that enough time for Cumber to oneshot, since Cumber AP scaling chain is massively > Danny. Cumber base > SSB level Goku and Vegeta who individually in their base > TPU Mechikabura, {B]and TPU Machikabura is above baseline infinite Low 1-C[/B]

The bolded part is odd to me. How did you guys land on infinite above Low 1-C as a base?

Cumber isn't the one who playing around, if he sense that Danny power level isn't worth his time, he going for the kill, actually Cumber going for the beating all the time

The kill in what way, because he'd potentially get frozen if he rushes in, and his attacks can also be frozen.

 

[Huesito88]

The bolded part is odd to me. How did you guys land on infinite above Low 1-C as a base?

Through the usage of infinite amounts of Hypertimelines in the same way as 2-A, but on a Low 1-C scale.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Through the usage of infinite amounts of Hypertimelines in the same way as 2-A, but on a Low 1-C scale.

I see, interesting, I gotta check the cosmology page to keep up to date. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[Apotheosis69]

The corruption wouldn't do anything though. The mental applications revolves around Madness Manipulation (Type 2) which is mind based (causing them to snap, go berserk and such) and that can be resisted through resistance to Mind Manipulation to which Danny has about 5 layers of. So the corruption aspect turns him evil but that wouldn't make him lose himself. As for it being 5-D, ghost energy scales to 4-D but with the cosmology buff it should be 5-D, but considering the change in HD hax, I'll need to make a new thread to discuss it. So right now I guess it's still 4-D so the corruption and madness would still work as of now.

Would it not be 6-D, due to the verse goin up to 1-C?

 

[Vietthai96]

Would it not be 6-D, due to the verse goin up to 1-C?

Possibly 6D yeah, but since the thread restrict 6D so 5D

The corruption wouldn't do anything though. The mental applications revolves around Madness Manipulation (Type 2) which is mind based (causing them to snap, go berserk and such) and that can be resisted through resistance to Mind Manipulation to which Danny has about 5 layers of. So the corruption aspect turns him evil but that wouldn't make him lose himself

I don't think so, resist mind hax doesn't mean resist all application of it. So Danny need to resist Madness Type 2 hax

The kill in what way, because he'd potentially get frozen if he rushes in, and his attacks can also be frozen.

Evil Aura blasts, his first move is always using ranged attacks.

Anyway, Frozen?, what hax is that?

 

[Apotheosis69]

Either way, Cumber is now Universe Mission so 1 Layer. Thus Danny can resist it

 

[LordGriffin1000]

I don't think so, resist mind hax doesn't mean resist all application of it. So Danny need to resist Madness Type 2 hax

As per our Madness Manipulation page, type 2 is the direct effect/alterations of the mind and thus sufficient resistance to mind manipulation can resist it due to it being essentially mind hax just tailored to making people go berserk and such instead of control.

Anyway, Frozen?, what hax is that?

Ice Manipulation/Non-Physical Interaction. Danny's ice power is potent enough that it can even freeze raw energy attacks, stop them and make them break apart like if they became brittle as mentioned on his season 3 power and ability section.

 

[Vietthai96]

As per our Madness Manipulation page, type 2 is the direct effect/alterations of the mind and thus sufficient resistance to mind manipulation can resist it due to it being essentially mind hax just tailored to making people go berserk and such instead of control.

i mean, do Danny actually resist Mind hax that also includes Madness effects, i don't even we allow that resists mind hax mean you resist all extension of it

Ice Manipulation/Non-Physical Interaction. Danny's ice power is potent enough that it can even freeze raw energy attacks, stop them and make them break apart like if they became brittle as mentioned on his season 3 power and ability section.

how cold the ice hax is, cause Ki in DB can burn Ice

 

[Johner2133451]

how cold the ice hax is, cause Ki in DB can burn Ice

How hot Ki can be?

 

[Apotheosis69]

Is this a stomp for Cumber?

 

[LordGriffin1000]

i mean, do Danny actually resist Mind hax that also includes Madness effects, i don't even we allow that resists mind hax mean you resist all extension of it

As I just provided, Type 2 is madness through the alteration of the mind and sufficient mind manipulation can counter it. It's not some far off extension, it's just mind manipulation tailored towards breaking the mind instead of controlling, both are alterations. It's how it's treated on the page itself. But even then mind hax in DP has multiple extensions that Danny resist.

Danny has resisted mind manipulation/possession, these abilities in DP that are mind control and the alteration of emotions (Ember McLain, Sayonara Pussycat and Freakshow), impacting memories and implanting suggestions that caused people to either not remember anything or make them believe something and never speak of it again (Danny's own possession which was used against him), and it reaches down no the sub-conscious (dreams are the gateway to the subconscious and ghosts can reach it and interact with it). Danny gains a resistance to the corruption of Vlad's ghost half which overwhelmed him and turned him into a sociopath that killed innocent people and didn't care if he nuked himself just to kill everyone else.

It's even mentioned that the lose of their humanity would lose their identity, and it turns them into creatures that are less human and monsters that can't even talk. However Danny lost his humanity but still retained his identity and didn't lose his mind like other ghosts. Even ghosts he currently scales to like Pariah Dark and Fright Knight have been alive for eons locked up with no way to absorb human emotions to retain their humanity yet still have their identity. So given Danny has 5 layers for mind manipulation/possession resistance that includes various alterations (mind control, memory manipulation, empathy manipulation, dream manipulation, corruption that took his humanity turned him into a sociopath and would result in him becoming a savage monster), I'm pretty sure he'd resist Cumber's madness type 2 which "snaps their mind and filling their hearts with evil, turning them into rampaging and animalistic people", given that's basically what happens to lesser ghosts are yet Danny can resist that effect.

how cold the ice hax is, cause Ki in DB can burn Ice

There is no number behind it, all we know is that it's cold enough that it freezes stuff instantly to the point where they can be shattered or falls apart due to being brittle. Danny's ice even froze Frostbite who like Danny has the same freezing ability and resistance. It overpowered fire and the energy Danny froze was ectoplasmic energy which can melt objects and even other ghost who have resistance to heat/fire.

So it's more potent than the temperature that would trigger frostbite/hypothermia (immediately) given what it does to people and objects, it overpowers fire and intense heat that melts objects and people and scales above someone with the same ability. So for Cumber's ki attacks to not be frozen, the ice ki burns needs to be capable of similar feats and scale over someone with that level potency/resistance.

Just so I can get my vote out. I'm voting Cumber due to higher ap, stamina drain. Danny's to much of a wild card and has no knowledge of Cumber's power so he'd run up and get one shot. The likelihood of Danny going for possession at the start is non existent and while ice is on the table Cumber could dodge. Away I have been having the worst day so this will likely be my last comment on this thread

Cumber's should take the W easy enough.

 

[Vietthai96]

Ah i see, alright then

How hot Ki can be?

Now that you mentioned it, lol everyone forgot to put actual number lol

 

[TheGreatBanana]

Interesting match up, whether the corruption/evil ki works is up in the air due to griffins arguments, ap and stamina stomping is what Cumber starts with.
Cumber can just flash his aura to destroy Danny, and he can more than likely dodge Danny's ice hax, that's assuming it's projectile based. Also DD is a passive ability that puts Danny's stamina instantly to 1, so any attack or action from either fighters will instantly knock Danny out.
Also cumber's ice's resistance should be similar to goku who can shrug off ice that can freeze fire and jet engines, and he arguably scales to vegeta who can survive Absolute Zero ice.

 

[Apotheosis69]

And Bump

 

[Shar122]

Following

 

[Apotheosis69]

Another Bump

 

[Shar122]

nah.. cumber wins via dimensional domain gg

 

[Shar122]

He can disable all of his opponent's abilities, powers and actions by reducing their stamina to the lowest stage possible (to a bare minimum of 1) via Dimensional domain; making them unable to act and this ability is passive.

So this is a stomp imo.