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Pokemon Discussion Thread - Red & Blue arc

Pokemon was de-composited one time, and sorta just, died. In terms of activity, that is.
Although, the whole scaling to Legendaries thing is a primarily game thing, so not counting the Anime changes basically nothing.
 
I honestly think the only way to deal with this guy is the Rule Violations thread tbh. He's made it clear that he doesn't respect us or our time and has derailed our threads way too many times by complaining about how we do things and being disingenuous once we tell him why.
I was about to reply to them again, but yeah.

You're free to make the report, idc about fodders like him though.
 
I honestly think the only way to deal with this guy is the Rule Violations thread tbh. He's made it clear that he doesn't respect us or our time and has derailed our threads way too many times by complaining about how we do things and being disingenuous once we tell him why.
As it stands, Strym would have to be reported too because they're both getting heated like ovens.
 
Pokemon was de-composited one time, and sorta just, died. In terms of activity, that is.
Although, the whole scaling to Legendaries thing is a primarily game thing, so not counting the Anime changes basically nothing.
It was never active to begin with. All the pages are still unorganised and theres no proper format.

Just because, somehow, the verse became inactive in terms of discussion shouldnt mean we try to composite and cherrypick in order to make the strongest pokemon possible. The Anime and the Games are very clearly separate continuity.
 
I honestly think the only way to deal with this guy is the Rule Violations thread tbh. He's made it clear that he doesn't respect us or our time and has derailed our threads way too many times by complaining about how we do things and being disingenuous once we tell him why.
Ive done nothing to warrant rule violations lmao

Im not ban worthy just because i have opinions against your scaling. It shouldnt come from you either way since you clearly still have a vendetta
 
The way i pronounce her name and you needing to call it out is irrelevant yeah.
Spelling =/= Pronounciation.
You're obviously tryna stir the pot. It doesn't matter if i dont recall her canon name to the exact tee.
I just prefer proper spelling & character naming. That you've gotten it wrong in one page's discussion more times than a person has fingers irks me.
Disambiguation is appreciable, you know?
The continuity stance is clearly so you can mix and match/cherry-pick the best parts of profiles to wank Pokemon to composite levels of power lets be deadass. No amount of 'downgrade threads' or actual reasoning is gonna get through when THIS many people want to desperately combine the separate canons, and od stuff like treat Pokemon Go as a valid scaling source.
Ad hominem. I don't see what saying this accomplishes for either of us. Go make a CRT if you think it needs fixing. If you don't think anything can be done on the matter, then why are you still pursuing something you don't think you can make progress on?
I take comfort in knowing literally every other place outside of this site agrees the way Pokemon is scaled in this series is bs.
Vs Battles Wiki is universally not trusted outside this site lmfao, get your superiority complex outta here.
If you think the site isn't trusted, & you prefer how others index this verse, then why are you engaging with us, given we do things in a way you don't like?
Do what makes you happy.
I get its a difficult verse to scale, but the Anime and Games are NOT the same continuity. Like, lets start with that. It can perhaps be used as supplementary material to explain more abt the species like the Palafin episode but otherwise theres no way we should slap it all in one profile
As you would say: Irrelevant.
As is, we recently undid the canon splitting, & nobody agreed with the canon being split. Go read the threads for that if you're concerned about the reasons why.
Okay go make a Youngster Tristan profile or smthn, otherwise get to the point
The point is he's a Champion Level Trainer who can beat the E4 & seemingly be comparable to the Champion despite using an arguable fodder mon like Emolga.
Champion-level trainers who use mons of species perceived as "weak" aren't unheard of, even in the games.
 
It was never active to begin with. All the pages are still unorganised and theres no proper format.

Just because, somehow, the verse became inactive in terms of discussion shouldnt mean we try to composite and cherrypick in order to make the strongest pokemon possible. The Anime and the Games are very clearly separate continuity.
That's not really that controversial of a change. You're just also kinda required to rework Pokemon from the grounds-up if you decide to do that, with is quite the tall task.
Don't really blame anyone for not doing so lol

None of the trainers have separate continuity scaling anyway.
 
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I'm typing the words. Its irrelevant either way. You're literally just tryna 'Uhm Aktually' rn and it isnt helpful

yh, and idgaf if you prefer 'proper spelling/pronounciation' personally. You aren't gonna word police me thanks, i dont care if im not talking to your standards, get over it. Not everyone has the entirety of the Pokemon trainer name roster memorised.

Im not wasting my time on a CRT that i know just wont get accepted because you guys dont like uncompositing the profiles. It was done once b4 then you reverted it back because it was 'inactive'. The Anime and Games are so easy to separate the canon of like???

I am doing what makes me happy thx.

You didn't 'agree with it', because A) It required work B) Literally admitted it was cause it was inactive and no one could be asked to implement it C) It makes Pokemon look weaker. Literally every other decent verse on this site is making separate pages for different continuities, like Dragon Ball lol. So disingenuine

Emolga is a basic-stage pokemon and nowhere near as weak and irrelevant to caterpie. That stuff is all game mechanics anyway since you can make any pokemon overlevelled and defeat the E4 in the game lbr. Lore-canon wise however, which is what we should be using over game mechanics first and foremost, then no, theres no reasonable way to make smthn like caterpie win unless it was a huge gag feat.
 
That's not really that controversial of a change. You're just also kinda required to rework Pokemon from the grounds-up if you decide to do that, with is quite the tall task.
Don't really blame anyone for not doing so lol
Ik its the tall task, and no ones getting paid, but i hate ppl tryna tell me it's for any reason other than that lol. Like compositing it the right way to go just because its way too hard to edit and change overtime.

Ive already suggested a few ways to get this verse up to speed but no one is willing to delete some of these outdated profiles that can easily be remade.
None of the trainers have separate continuity scaling anyway.
They kinda do. We got links to Game versions of characters when talking abt Anime character speed and such. Bad enough we're using Pokemon Go default animations to scale most of the verse's speed.

Its like, one step at a time, but we need to get over this silly notion that Pokemon needs to be composited. Its literally never been organised either way.
 
Are you going to spam "common pokemon cannot be Tier 2 because I HATE high scaling!" for this whole thread or...?
I mean its a pretty obvious thing for anyone who wasn't wanking mons to think, so if it needs to keep getting drilled home then sure.

Like this is just, blatant high-end maxscaling so the basic Pokemon can look like they can box Goku or smthn. Tryna claim a Caterpie can in-lore be Tier 2 just cause a trainer can make it level 100 in games is an obvious case of this, and im happy to call it out.
 
It was done once b4 then you reverted it back because it was 'inactive'. The Anime and Games are so easy to separate the canon of like???

You didn't 'agree with it', because A) It required work B) Literally admitted it was cause it was inactive and no one could be asked to implement it C) It makes Pokemon look weaker. Literally every other decent verse on this site is making separate pages for different continuities, like Dragon Ball lol. So disingenuine
Ehh, let's not (fully) go there.
There are definitely some I'd say pretty decent arguments to at least consider the Pokemon species the same across the mediums.
Don't know if I necessarily agree, but they definitely have some solid foundation.

If you're curious here's the thread.
 
Then why did people agree to it?
Mutliple reasons, as confirmed throughout the convo

A) Pokemon is too much hard work and difficult to scale to get it done. Its already unorganised as is. They didn't want to do the work.

B) Compositing Pokemon clearly makes them appear stronger, so making any rando trainer that fought the MC at a time where you could use legendaries is just getting excessive. Its also much easier

C) The Wiki has a lot of like-minded ppl lets say. Very vocal ones too. FRA chains are a huge problem everyone acknowledges in this wiki

D) This wiki has accepted wank/downplay all the time. Its a matter of opinion ofc, but there are infamous cases where things werent accepted for the longest time. And the CRT process is long and boring and easily exploitable


Like don't get me wrong, obv characters who have boxed legendaries, or own them like Volo and Rei/Akira then sure. But it gets stupid scaling the rando NPCs or optiional spar battles like Galaxy members, when it clearly is not the case, just cause the player caught a Dialga/Palkia atp. Lets not be so trigger happy
 
I am doing what makes me happy thx.
Surprising. I am incredulous.
Emolga is a basic-stage pokemon and nowhere near as weak and irrelevant to caterpie. That stuff is all game mechanics anyway since you can make any pokemon overlevelled and defeat the E4 in the game lbr. Lore-canon wise however, which is what we should be using over game mechanics first and foremost, then no, theres no reasonable way to make smthn like caterpie win unless it was a huge gag feat.
Lore-wise, Emolga did, though. Tristan is a named NPC with dialogue who's exclusive to Title Defense. GF canonically put him in & said his team can become Champions.
Im not wasting my time on a CRT that i know just wont get accepted because you guys dont like uncompositing the profiles. It was done once b4 then you reverted it back because it was 'inactive'. The Anime and Games are so easy to separate the canon of like???
I mean its a pretty obvious thing for anyone who wasn't wanking mons to think, so if it needs to keep getting drilled home then sure.

Like this is just, blatant high-end maxscaling so the basic Pokemon can look like they can box Goku or smthn. Tryna claim a Caterpie can in-lore be Tier 2 just cause a trainer can make it level 100 in games is an obvious case of this, and im happy to call it out.
So, rather than make a CRT, you want to "drill it home" (Or as others have recently called it, spam in these circumstances) regarding your stance, in this General Discussion Thread?
Is that what you mean to do??
 
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Ehh, let's not (fully) go there.
There are definitely some I'd say pretty decent arguments to at least consider the Pokemon species the same across the mediums.
Don't know if I necessarily agree, but they definitely have some solid foundation.

If you're curious here's the thread.
Ive read the thread but for every decent foundation you've got, theres like, 10x more inconsistencies. We;ve got to establish what can be used alongside mainline canon (such as Pokemon Ranger games) and what cant be (Pokemon Go, Masters EX etc.)

Not every game is canon, or at least something we should ride the canon on. The anime and games are clearly separate continuities that shouldnt be used for scaling and mainly just supplementary material. Its also far easier to just consider it all canon.

When the speed scaling is based on Pokemon GO default animations mainly... And then we've got people trying to decanonize actual events in the mainline game for the sake of Pokemon Masters EX scaling....
 
Lore-wise, Emolga did, though. Tristan is a named NPC with dialogue who's exclusive to Title Defense. GF canonically put him in & said his team can become Champions.
Grasping straws.
Any team is 'champion worthy', and theres a huge range of pokemon to use. Just because an NPC is using a bad pokemon game-wise doesnt mean squat
So, rather than make a CRT, you want to "drill it home" (Or as others have recently called it, spamming.) your stance in the General Discussion Thread?
Is that what you mean to do??
Yeah. This is much less a waste of time and I always throw things out before even attempting to make a CRT. Its hardly spamming either when ive got like, 4 ppl responding to things i have to say. Much like you are.
If you expect me to just not respond, then don't join in. Esp if you're just gonna attempt to escalate the situation and grammar police me or w/e

i dont live on this wiki either, so as if im signing off on trying to fix it over my real life priorities, when i know that even if it does get accepted, i'm hardly gonna get much help lol. Its called foresight.
 
Grasping straws.
Any team is 'champion worthy', and theres a huge range of pokemon to use.
Any team is "champion worthy".... By the game mechanics you so strongly disparage.
Becoming a Champion means beating all the trials & all the E4 & whatnot that demonstrate levels of capability & comparability.
Just because an NPC is using a bad pokemon game-wise doesnt mean squat
If a protagonist-trained Caterpie shouldn't be able to battle against Arceus, then why should a Champion-level trainer's Emolga be able to battle against the Champion-level Pokemon Trainer who fought against Ultra Necrozma & Rainbow Rocket?
Emolga vs Ultra Necrozma is a smaller line, than Caterpie to Arceus, but based on the canonical NPCs & cutscenes we have, there's a basis for it. Where do you draw the line?
& why would you dismiss info from the game makers themselves?
Yeah. This is much less a waste of time and I always throw things out before even attempting to make a CRT. Its hardly spamming either when ive got like, 4 ppl responding to things i have to say. Much like you are.
Personally, I don't think you'll accomplish much this way, I'm sorry to say.
& repeating a topic even after people already disagreed with it.... Well, maybe if not "spam", you'd prefer the term "ad nauseum".
i dont live on this wiki either, so as if im signing off on trying to fix it over my real life priorities, when i know that even if it does get accepted, i'm hardly gonna get much help lol. Its called foresight.
Good luck wtih your IRL stuff. You should put that before your hobbies. No offense meant. Just because we disagree doesn't mean you should suffer. Best wishes!
 
Any team is "champion worthy".... By the game mechanics you so strongly disparage.
Becoming a Champion means beating all the trials & all the E4 & whatnot that demonstrate levels of capability & comparability.
Yeah, and thats where you all are confusing the game mechanics for the actual lore-scaling. In any canon scenario of mainline games, they most certainly wouldnt bring a pidgey or a caterpie. Theres no way we should even be talking abt that
If a protagonist-trained Caterpie shouldn't be able to battle against Arceus, then why should a Champion-level trainer's Emolga be able to battle against the Champion-level Pokemon Trainer who fought against Ultra Necrozma & Rainbow Rocket?
Emolga vs Ultra Necrozma is a smaller line, than Caterpie to Arceus, but based on the canonical NPCs & cutscenes we have, there's a basis for it. Where do you draw the line?
& why would you dismiss info from the game makers themselves?
Theres no basis whatsoever when talking abt the actual context of the verse. Again, you all just take the pokemon game mechanics seriously. The levels of Pokemon for example are most definitely just a game mechanic thing.
Strawmanning and pretending your arguments are from the 'game makers themselves', as if they gaf or consider any of the powerscaling bs we are trying to make sense of is craaaaaaaazy.

You bringing up this Emolga like its the ace of his team or smthn??? Emolga isnt some unevolved Pokemon, its literally a nostage mon, who has backing when Gym leaders such as Elesa also use it Lmao.
Another example of ppl taking an inch and running a mile, acting like just because some NPC has an Emolga, its enough basis to start saying you can train any weak af pokemon to the canonical levels that it can match a God in lore. Sorry but thats just a game thing.

I draw the line at blatant minmaxing these stats. I hate it when Verses i like and grew up with just aren't being genuine
ersonally, I don't think you'll accomplish much this way, I'm sorry to say.
& repeating a topic even after people already disagreed with it.... Well, maybe if not spam, you'd prefer the term ad nauseum.
Idk what you think im trying to accomplish, but it matter for me to scout out what the line of reasoning for this is, and how much push back im gonna get even if i was deciding to make a CRT lmao

I'll always, happily state my opinions and will always call out when its frustratingly obvious that people are trying to 'wank'. I get you've all unanimously decided to keep the profiles messy and composite for the sake of...not having to do actual change (Literally like...you'll add all the irrelevant IQ skills to a page, a species page no less when Conquest had trainer-owned mons) but quite frankly its time this verse actually...caught up with how the rest of the verses are developing?

But if there are no fundamentals set in place, and no organisation, then this is why the Verse is at such a roadblock. Thats why im so confident that yeah, this way of thinking abt verses is wrong

Good luck wtih your IRL stuff. You should put that before your hobbies. No offense meant. Just because we disagree doesn't mean you should suffer.
Keep it focused on the Pokemon stuff plz, i shouldn't even have to say i have irl stuff over trying to sort this verse on this wiki like its a job im paid for.
 
Yeah, and thats where you all are confusing the game mechanics for the actual lore-scaling. In any canon scenario of mainline games, they most certainly wouldnt bring a pidgey or a caterpie. Theres no way we should even be talking abt that
But it is canon. It happens in a mainline entry in both the base game AND its remakes.
Theres no basis whatsoever when talking abt the actual context of the verse. Again, you all just take the pokemon game mechanics seriously. The levels of Pokemon for example are most definitely just a game mechanic thing.
Strawmanning and pretending your arguments are from the 'game makers themselves', as if they gaf or consider any of the powerscaling bs we are trying to make sense of is craaaaaaaazy.
The issue is Ultra Necrozma & Rainbow Rocket are mandatory encounters & can be beaten with whatever, because the player character IS that skilled.
Whether or not you think a mon is cool enough for that doesn't matter.
It has nothing to do with levels, it has everything to do with the fact you can only fight Tristan as a Champion in Title Defense mode & that is how he was made to be, just as you can only fight other bosses at certain points.
You bringing up this Emolga like its the ace of his team or smthn??? Emolga isnt some unevolved Pokemon, its literally a nostage mon, who has backing when Gym leaders such as Elesa also use it Lmao.
I'd say its more notable as a regional Electric rodent, but shrug.
But the point it's not like it's a pseudo or a fully evolved mon.
Another example of ppl taking an inch and running a mile, acting like just because some NPC has an Emolga, its enough basis to start saying you can train any weak af pokemon to the canonical levels that it can match a God in lore. Sorry but thats just a game thing.
Sorry, but what you're disagreeing with is the standard here.
You can't just say it's wrong because you feel so & tell people to accept it.

Lay out your arguments in the proper format & get knowledgeable members & staff to accept them, or else stop talking like your stance matters when it isn't accepted.
I draw the line at blatant minmaxing these stats. I hate it when Verses i like and grew up with just aren't being genuine
I value accuracy & dislike disingenuousness, too, but I prefer proper protocol.

If you wanna "drill it home" your stances, then perhaps I should "drill it home" into you in this discussion?
Idk what you think im trying to accomplish, but it matter for me to scout out what the line of reasoning for this is, and how much push back im gonna get even if i was deciding to make a CRT lmao
You're.... Trying to determine how much pushback you'll get on your stance?
Don't you think you already have enough info to assess that?
I'll always, happily state my opinions and will always call out when its frustratingly obvious that people are trying to 'wank'. I get you've all unanimously decided to keep the profiles messy and composite for the sake of...not having to do actual change (Literally like...you'll add all the irrelevant IQ skills to a page, a species page no less when Conquest had trainer-owned mons) but quite frankly its time this verse actually...caught up with how the rest of the verses are developing?
You're, as they'd say, barking up the wrong tree. "Yapping", even.
While I'm currently unopinionated on such things, & I am lazy, it ain't the call of a blue name like me to implement or remove things, & a lot of the revision posts were not typed up, nor implemented via editing by ME.

(Also, whataboutism.)

If you wanna get the 'verse flip-flopped back into canon split again, go type up a WIP for your CRT or something.
Knowledgeable Members, Blue Names or otherwise, assess, revise & improve, but whether anything is implemented is the call of the Staff.
Protocol won't allow you to accomplish your goals by simply talking here.
Keep it focused on the Pokemon stuff plz, i shouldn't even have to say i have irl stuff over trying to sort this verse on this wiki like its a job im paid for.
Was just trying to wish you well. Sorry to hear that you didn't appreciate that.
Quite frankly, I'm surprised by your sense of duty to this. As you say, it's not like you're being paid for it. Pardon my saying so, please, but if you find something stressful or unpleasant, it's okay to take a break.
 
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Mutliple reasons, as confirmed throughout the convo

A) Pokemon is too much hard work and difficult to scale to get it done. Its already unorganised as is. They didn't want to do the work.
I am pretty sure for most trainers the work hasn't been done either way people just thought it was dumb that you can literally fight a god and canonically win but we didn't let them scale.
B) Compositing Pokemon clearly makes them appear stronger, so making any rando trainer that fought the MC at a time where you could use legendaries is just getting excessive. Its also much easier
Ah yes the many randoms we have on the website. There is also the fact that the MC had a team of Pokemon capable of beating said legendary did they suddenly get weaker afterwards.
 
Bro actually just disrespected Imaginym
Meh. Not everyone can like everyone, & people are allowed free will & opinions.
Surprised you think it's noteworthy someone would do that, & am a bit flattered, though. Feels kinda meaningful, you know?

More pertinently, in all the recent posts, I feel a little concerned you may not have noticed my reply regarding your Sandbox:
I also think it dubious to call being sent to Masters: Ex "being sent to the main game timeline", when, as has been shown, calling Masters: Ex, with its different mechanics & seemingly different history & whatnot.... Well, it seems contentious.

Also, why not Rei/Akari, given the player character can be either of them?

From summary: "Hundreds of years ago,"
Dubious.

Laventon takes photos with a camera, the design & photo quality of which suggests equivalent to early 1900s technologies. IIRC, the existence of household electricity in some places would corroborate that evidence.
Plus, IIRC, there's other stuff that makes it resemble... I think it's called Meiji Era Japan, which would be around a similar time?
Unless you think Pokemon World is just THAT advanced that they were getting such tech centuries ago. But hundreds of years ago, was, IIRC, when the first Apricorn Balls were made, but I doubt they're that new, considering Laventon brought Pokemon from overseas. If Poke Balls were that new, while amateurism in a remote settlement could be excused, surely there'd be mention of them being a new technology made in the last few years, or that they're popular overseas.

I'm sorry to say that I'm not sure what Path of Tenacity is. Why doesn't it have a section in the Technology/Abilities section?

"Wall level+ (Galaxy Team's citizens shouldn’t be overwhelmingly below modern day Pokémon humans, though they view nearly all fodder Pokémon as a threat to their life[4])"

Uncertain if "fodder Pokémon" is proper terminology here. Maybe "nearly all Pokémon"? Maybe "all Pokémon, even weak Pokémon"? Maybe "all wild Pokémon" or "untrained Pokémon"?
(Not to mention by meaning, it could be taken to interpret they view all fodder Pokemon, but not non-fodder Pokemon as threats.)
Anyone have thoughts on potential rephrasings, please?

"Multi-City Block level for most members (Akari was seen as one of the Survey Corps’ best members when she only had a fodder Pikachu)"

Similar issue.

Multiverse level, likely Multiverse level+ (Zisu, Beni, and Captain Kamado's Pokémon are capable of injuring Rei's team at its most powerful, which includes an extremely heavily trained Dialga or Palkia and other Pokémon who have been trained to be on par with them[5])

While it is certain that Rei/Akari catch Dialga & Palkia, what makes it certain it's "extremely heavily trained", as opposed to say "potentially" so trained, given we accept stuff like Selene/Elio being able to beat Rainbow Rocket & other examples? & why such a phrasing of the justification? Would "masterfully trained" or such be inaccurate?
I suppose that begs the question of how Arceus describes what status to achieve. Does it tell Rei/Akari to become a "Pokemon Master", for example?

"However, once he stepped in and sorted out all their problems himself, their selection and means of creating such goods vastly increased, and can now develop a large array of equipment and healing items."
Again, is it certain it's Rei rather than Akari, given the player character's canonical identity is likely indeterminate?

"The Medical Corps is capable of crafting medicine for just about anything imaginable[6], even ones strong enough to outright remove a Psyduck's headache for a while[7]"
This phrasing may be overestimating of the capabilities, since all we have is it curing Psyduck headaches & its description of "An astonishing medicine that can instantly restore health to any Pokémon. It is produced by an apothecary in Cianwood City.".
It may also be worth citing Pokedex entries or other information on why curing a Psyduck's headache, even "for a while" is a notable accomplishment.

"Weaknesses: The vast majority of people in the Galaxy Team are largely incompetent and dependent on Rei in order to make progress, and they only got to where they are by the end of the game because all their victories were basically handed to them by the player."

Somewhat informal language, worried it may be improper & the image only indicates Rei/Akari/the player character did so for Kleavor & Lilligant, even if knowledgeable members like us may know otherwise. Is there other info we can cite as evidence for this?


Apologies for going back to the Technology/Abilities section, but I felt it worthwhile due to my stance regarding this: "minor Information Analysis via the Pokédex".
Do members of Galaxy Team other than Laventon have a Pokedex?
Do Rei/Akari/the player character have one?

Also, IIRC, is the Pokedex in PL:A not simply a notepad/journal handwritten by Laventon?
Does having a bunch of likely pre-written notes & possibly photographs count as Information Analysis, especially when they may not have even been made by the wielder?



Sorry about how long that was. Otherwise, it looks nice so far!
Hopefully this is appreciable, helpful &/or interesting!
I would very much like to know if you have any response regarding my response to your blog, please, @Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera .
If you have already made some edits in accordance with the response, I had not checked to see them, & so would not mind being informed of them, but it's fine if you choose not to do so.
 
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Meh. Not everyone can like everyone, & people are allowed free will & opinions.
Surprised you think it's noteworthy someone would do that, & am a bit flattered, though. Feels kinda meaningful, you know?

More pertinently, in all the recent posts, I feel a little concerned you may not have noticed my reply regarding your Sandbox:

I would very much like to know if you have any response regarding my response to your blog, please, @Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera .
If you have already made some edits in accordance with the response, I had not checked to see them, & so would not mind being informed of them, but it's fine if you choose not to do so.
Out of all people I've met, especially Pokemon fans, you are the least controversial out of any of them. The energy you bring is one I wish more of us were able to emulate.


Yes, I saw it. I'm currently editing my profile in accordance with what you said.
 
Out of all people I've met, especially Pokemon fans, you are the least controversial out of any of them. The energy you bring is one I wish more of us were able to emulate.
Thank you very much.
I'll admit, out of a mix of self-indulgence & what part of me would say is an interest in potential self-improvement opportunities, I'll admit I'm uncertain what parts of me you mean, & wish to know in particular, if you don't mind.
Yes, I saw it. I'm currently editing my profile in accordance with what you said.
Ah, cool! Good to know, & good luck! Thank you very much!
 
Thank you very much.
I'll admit, out of a mix of self-indulgence & what part of me would say is an interest in potential self-improvement opportunities, I'll admit I'm uncertain what parts of me you mean, & wish to know in particular, if you don't mind.
Not one of your responses come from a place of anger or hate, just pure objective fact. In fact, if anything they invite people to respond. That's a skill I haven't been able to master ever since the Pokemon VS Digimon Death Battle shattered my psyche when I was young.
 
I also think it dubious to call being sent to Masters: Ex "being sent to the main game timeline", when, as has been shown, calling Masters: Ex, with its different mechanics & seemingly different history & whatnot.... Well, it seems contentious.
Pretty much everything has Masters as being in the game timeline, so it should be fine
Also, why not Rei/Akari, given the player character can be either of them?
Masters makes it pretty clear that Rei was the one sent back in time to Hisui.
From summary: "Hundreds of years ago,"
Dubious.

Laventon takes photos with a camera, the design & photo quality of which suggests equivalent to early 1900s technologies. IIRC, the existence of household electricity in some places would corroborate that evidence.
Plus, IIRC, there's other stuff that makes it resemble... I think it's called Meiji Era Japan, which would be around a similar time?
Unless you think Pokemon World is just THAT advanced that they were getting such tech. But hundreds of years ago, was, IIRC, when first Apricorn Balls were made, but I doubt they're that new, considering Laventon brought Pokemon from overseas. If Poke Balls were that new, while amateurism in a remote settlement could be excused, surely there'd be mention of them being a new technology made in the last few years, or that they're popular overseas.
I figured it was a The Incredibles situation where they have modern technology despite being like the 60's. I can reword it.
I'm sorry to say that I'm not sure what Path of Tenacity is. Why doesn't it have a section in the Technology/Abilities section?
Essentially it's a postgame gauntlet of the strongest Galaxy Team trainers fighting at their very best. It doesn't have a section because they get nothing new in terms of abilities.
"Wall level+ (Galaxy Team's citizens shouldn’t be overwhelmingly below modern day Pokémon humans, though they view nearly all fodder Pokémon as a threat to their life[4])"

Uncertain if "fodder Pokémon" is proper terminolgy here. Maybe "nearly all Pokémon"? Maybe "all Pokémon, even weak Pokémon"? Maybe "all wild Pokémon" or "untrained Pokémon"?
(Not to mention by meaning, it could be taken to interpret they view all fodder Pokemon, but not non-fodder Pokemon as threats.)
Anyone have thoughts on potential rephrasings, please?

"Multi-City Block level for most members (Akari was seen as one of the Survey Corps’ best members when she only had a fodder Pikachu)"

Similar issue.
Yeah, I come from an era where people threw that word around like candy, even on this site. I'll change it.
Multiverse level, likely Multiverse level+ (Zisu, Beni, and Captain Kamado's Pokémon are capable of injuring Rei's team at its most powerful, which includes an extremely heavily trained Dialga or Palkia and other Pokémon who have been trained to be on par with them[5])

While it is certain that Rei/Akari catch Dialga & Palkia, what makes it certain it's "extremely heavily trained", as opposed to say "potentially" so trained, given we accept stuff like Selene/Elio being able to beat Rainbow Rocket & other examples? & why such a phrasing of the justification? Would "masterfully trained" or such be inaccurate?
I suppose that begs the question of how Arceus describes what status to achieve. Does it tell Rei/Akari to become a "Pokemon Master", for example?
We generally assume that Trainers who catch Legendaries have them long enough to train them to their own standards, for example Dawn with a Giratina that can sweep Cynthia's team. In fact, Rei must have used them long enough to get their Pokedex level to 10.
"The Medical Corps is capable of crafting medicine for just about anything imaginable[6], even ones strong enough to outright remove a Psyduck's headache for a while[7]"
This phrasing may be overestimating of the capabilities, since all we have is it curing Psyduck headaches & its description of "An astonishing medicine that can instantly restore health to any Pokémon. It is produced by an apothecary in Cianwood City.".
It may also be worth citing Pokedex entries or other information on why curing a Psyduck's headache, even "for a while" is a notable accomplishment.
If they can manufacture Secret Medicines, which can do that, given their rarity there's likely MANY other things they can make, given the recipes you can find.
"Weaknesses: The vast majority of people in the Galaxy Team are largely incompetent and dependent on Rei in order to make progress, and they only got to where they are by the end of the game because all their victories were basically handed to them by the player."

Somewhat informal language, worried it may be improper & the image only indicates Rei/Akari/the player character did so for Kleavor & Lilligant, even if knowledgeable members like us may know otherwise. Is there other info we can cite as evidence for this?
Informal language isn't too big of a problem. The key to the scan is that none other could quell their frenzy.
Apologies for going back to the Technology/Abilities section, but I felt it worthwhile due to my stance regarding this: "minor Information Analysis via the Pokédex".
Do members of Galaxy Team other than Laventon have a Pokedex?
Do Rei/Akari/the player character have one?

Also, IIRC, is the Pokedex in PL:A not simply a notepad/journal handwritten by Laventon?
Does having a bunch of likely pre-written notes & possibly photographs count as Information Analysis, especially when they may not have even been made by the wielder?
Other Pokedexes are alluded to, for example Cylene seeing their research without you showing her, other Survey Corps members getting Stars, Laventon himself having a copy, et cetera. It's heavily implied Laventon wrote the Pokedex entries. The wielder doesn't need to have made the entries, the civilization just needs to have the means to.
 
Pretty much everything has Masters as being in the game timeline, so it should be fine
Everything being?
I figured it was a The Incredibles situation where they have modern technology despite being like the 60's. I can reword it.
Confident the camera at least is something like a daguerrotype (Haven't been able to fact-check it lately.), unsure how they got the Rotom appliances, assuming not space-time rifts.
But yeah, I'm confident it's like, 1890s to early 1900s.
Essentially it's a postgame gauntlet of the strongest Galaxy Team trainers fighting at their very best. It doesn't have a section because they get nothing new in terms of abilities.
Ahhh, neat.
Yeah, I come from an era where people threw that word around like candy, even on this site. I'll change it.
Fair enough. FWIW, maybe the word could have a resurgence. Linguistics do be like that sometimes, no?
We generally assume that Trainers who catch Legendaries have them long enough to train them to their own standards, for example Dawn with a Giratina that can sweep Cynthia's team. In fact, Rei must have used them long enough to get their Pokedex level to 10.
Ahhh. Would that constitute "extremely heavily trained", then?
If they can manufacture Secret Medicines, which can do that, given their rarity there's likely MANY other things they can make, given the recipes you can find.
Rarity doesn't necessarily equate to effectiveness. I'm unaware of the recipes.
But I wouldn't be surprised if gameplay proves the corps can acquire a myriad of remedies, which'd help back up the justification.
The key to the scan is that none other could quell their frenzy.
But given the scan focuses on just two of the Noble Pokemon (Forgive me, please, if I've misremembered the term.), can it be certain none other could quell the frenzy of the other Noble Pokemon?
Other Pokedexes are alluded to, for example Cylene seeing their research without you showing her, other Survey Corps members getting Stars, Laventon himself having a copy, et cetera. It's heavily implied Laventon wrote the Pokedex entries. The wielder doesn't need to have made the entries, the civilization just needs to have the means to.
Sounds like good evidence they'd have Pokedexes & entries.
(Though I'd hope this doesn't mean unqualified non-professionals are writing the entries.)
 
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Everything being?
Confident the camera at least is something like a daguerrotype (Haven't been able to fact-check it lately.), unsure how they got the Rotom appliances, assuming not space-time rifts.
But yeah, I'm confident it's like, 1890s to early 1900s.
It is heavily implied to the the rifts, as even the Ginkgo Guild doesn't know what they are, even referring to an electric fan as a "mechanical pinwheel".
Fair enough. FWIW, maybe the word could have a resurgence. Linguistics do be like that sometimes, no?
Yeah, although I don't think we'll consider it profile-worthy again.
Ahhh. Would that constitute "extremely heavily trained", then?
Assuming the degree to which it CAN be trained within the game, probably. Even just tanking a Strong Style Roar of Time/Spatial Rend would imply some crazy durability.
Rarity doesn't necessarily equate to effectiveness. I'm unaware of the recipes.
But I wouldn't be surprised if gameplay proves the corps can acquire a myriad of remedies, which'd help back up the justification.
All the Potions, all the Revives, all the PP-restoring items, many Full Heal-adjacent items, and so on all have recipes.
But given the scan focuses on just two of the Noble Pokemon (Forgive me, please, if I've misremembered the term.), can it be certain none other could quell the frenzy of the other Noble Pokemon?
They're either Nobles or Lords. But yeah, every Noble is magnitudes stronger than the last.
Sounds like good evidence they'd have Pokedexes & entries.
(Though I'd hope this doesn't mean unqualified non-professionals are writing the entries.)
You yourself would be writing the entries if that were the case. It's never said the Pokedex has multiple versions.
 
Stop it with this Pokémon Masters garbage, like stop using a mobile gacha garbage game to dictate the canon the mainline games, like why would anyone use what that mess of game instead of what is said and show in the actual and CANON main games. So no, delete all that Pokémon Masters nonsense from the profile if you don't want it to be deleted again
 
Stop it with this Pokémon Masters garbage, like stop using a mobile gacha garbage game to dictate the canon the mainline games, like why would anyone use what that mess of game instead of what is said and show in the actual and CANON main games. So no, delete all that Pokémon Masters nonsense from the profile if you don't want it to be deleted again
Uh no, per the canon unsplit Masters is once again usable, if anything I'd just recommend to not assume the capability of trained Pokemon over there are innate attributes usable for wild variants of each one.
 
Stop it with this Pokémon Masters garbage, like stop using a mobile gacha garbage game to dictate the canon the mainline games, like why would anyone use what that mess of game instead of what is said and show in the actual and CANON main games. So no, delete all that Pokémon Masters nonsense from the profile if you don't want it to be deleted again
Bro didn't read the FIRST PART of the comment holy shit
 
Uh no, per the canon unsplit Masters is once again usable, if anything I'd just recommend to not assume the capability of trained Pokemon over there are innate attributes usable for wild variants of each one.
Isn’t that just for like cross-scaling wild Pokémon stats and stuff? We’re talking about whether Masters should be a part of the main series timeline which is a different thing.
 
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