Massive Terraria CRT

[TheGatememer]

Just scale em to the Brain Scrambler, who’s said to fire radiation/lasers.

 

[Lou_change]

fabric, is it spacetime itself? If they're powerful enough to just hit like that why don't they just do it flat out, why bother with Minions?

Technically fabric can mean the whole of something so it could just mean the whole planet, but that definition has mostly fallen out of use. Second nothing suggests he had minions prior to being sealed.

In this scan they refer to the universe as the "world of terraria"

The world of terraria which contains each world of terraria?"

Not sure where you're getting it that terraria is also the planet, they explicitly use terraria when referring to the universe alone

"Many across Terraria have fallen under the possession of the cult, including the benevolent Old Man who oversees the Dungeon, a once thriving city full of life until a curse forced all its inhabitants to go mad – living beyond the point where their bodies rotted away and they became mindless undead servants of evil. Without some intervention, some force to stem this tide, some hero to save the day, Terraria's doom is nigh at hand!" The cult doesn't have any evidence for being able to travel across worlds.

 

[Dalesean027]

The world of terraria which contains each world of terraria?"

Already went over the how world in fiction is very commonly synonymous with whatever structure is the characters reality,

The world of marvel isn't the planet earth in the marvel multiverse nor is the world of DC, the world of Kingdom hearts isn't just one planet in its multiverse yet they and many other fictions extremely commonly still say world when referencing the larger cosmology so this really isn't the dig you think it is.

The world of terraria is just them saying the terraria universe or verse.

The cult doesn't have any evidence for being able to travel across worlds.

The same can be said for the other side if this was well, there is no info to determine whether they could or could not have that level of influence we don't know either way so this again isn't a real point against anything

 

[Dalesean027]

Not uncommon for universe and world to be synonymous in this case, its in fact very common that lots of series do call it the world and universe,

Yeah another instance 2 of which back to back which refer to it as the universe or at worst a structure containing numerous worlds.

Third one

again in this case world doesn't have to explicitly refer to planet as many fiction switch using both synonymous as meaning the universe.

this is the only one that outright says your world (as in the planet) but it also doesn't say Terraria in reference to anything larger which works again as evidence that when mentioning "Terraria" that is again referring to the universe.

the rest kinda all follows that where world and universe can be swapped or synonymous

Idk why you're acting like I didn't already address that and the one instance they actually hone in and specify "your world" when they wanted to refer to the single planet you are on in the game different from any other usage of world in the lore

 

[DMUA]

Not sure where you're getting it that terraria is also the planet, they explicitly use terraria when referring to the universe alone

Meanwhile, the original text:

Welcome to the World of Terraria. A land full of mystery and wonder, with much of its destiny left up to the wildest imaginations

It's interchangeable for the two times they do mention it. And while I am mentioning specific wording, actually...

Ultimately this substantial damage forced Cthulhu to retreat to the dark side of the moon, where it dwells to this day, gathering strength for another attempt at total conquest.

This directly confirms Moon Lord isn't blowing up Terraria, especially when you take it in tandem with how the worlds are built on a balancing act and someone who rules everything would ruin that balance

In the beginning, the Gods established a balance to guarantee fairness for all living creatures.

So that seems to outline, if anything, what fabric is being disrupted here (that and like, it'd be a bit strange if he was threatening the entire universe and then without elaboration they get beaten by people resonating with a planet)

It's still reasonably realistic though, right? It's referred to as a rainbow in its tooltip and its multiple different colored beams of light that travel in a straight line, that refract to combine into a single white beam. And it's a hitscan rather than just a projectile.

No. A rainbow describes it's appearance, this beam again fails to have a proper interaction with glass or water (and active contradictions without explanation are the real killer here) and hitscan just means it's fast. The corruption firewall weapon is also hitscan but it's distinctly not a beam of light.

 

[Dalesean027]

and also it'd be strange if a universal entity is beaten by a planetary power source without any further context or feats indicating that planet is really that strong

The actual lore bit here is this

"The Dryads, with their unparalleled connection to the planet, were Terraria's truly last hope as they joined together to save all life from annihilation."

Just because they use their connection to the planet to battle him doesn't mean the power is only planet level. Its just saying they have a connection to their world that allowed them combat the moon lord which if anything is that balancing act at work when they literally say right before this "The very fabric of Terraria itself seemed on the precipice of doom". The dryads were literally the last hope they say as much in the text, they were the last balance that won and weakened the moon lord once more keeping things in check.

Idk I'd personally say possible is fine here at least but I'm not gonna hassle ya for disagreeing as I'm moreso just trying to get my point across and leave it at that so regardless thanks for commenting on the thread

 

[MaybeWantsToEdit]

No. A rainbow describes it's appearance, this beam again fails to have a proper interaction with glass or water (and active contradictions without explanation are the real killer here) and hitscan just means it's fast. The corruption firewall weapon is also hitscan but it's distinctly not a beam of light.

Terraria is a sandbox video game. I don't think a lack of reaction when hitting a beam of light against a glass block deconfirms much when that simply just wasn't coded in to do anything. Especially since this type of behavior doesn't work for other types of attacks. Like water putting out fire-based material.

Meanwhile:

• converges several colors into one single white beam, like how light would work (white is made up of every color of light)
• it's transmitting through a light crystal. A bright/white crystal would allow a white light irl to pass through it normally.
• the start up for the attack is literally referencing birofringeance. A real world phenomenon in which light is "split" into multiple rays when passing through certain crystals.

So that seems to outline, if anything, what fabric is being disrupted here (that and like, it'd be a bit strange if he was threatening the entire universe and then without elaboration they get beaten by people resonating with a planet)

Right after that: "...Each world of Terraria is a sentient being that knows all that goes on and can feel the thoughts of all living creatures: with their sole purpose being to ensure that the desired balance is maintained – often violently so. The worlds utilize many defense mechanisms to ensure the balance is upheld at all costs" and then it talks about how the Crimson is a single living entity on its own, and the Hallow being murderous to anything to ensure balance.

The controls to ensure balance are the Evil biomes and the Hallow (amongst others that the lore doesn't mention). The Hallow seems to want to force life out that isn't native from there. Judging from this, the "balance" the Gods are trying to achieve is likely balance in terms of control over an area. Characters like the Dryad and the Steampunker already have access to items that can upset this balance by removing Corruption, Crimson and Hallow from the world. So exaggerating and saying Moon Lord can threaten the fabric of reality over this would make little sense if it were something that regular humans like the Steampunker  sell to people and use.

 

[DMUA]

Terraria is a sandbox video game. I don't think a lack of reaction when hitting a beam of light against a glass block deconfirms much when that simply just wasn't coded in to do anything. Especially since this type of behavior doesn't work for other types of attacks. Like water putting out fire-based material.

A contradiction is a contradiction. It's not impossible for them to program unique interactions given it is a graphically simple game and they do have actuators to turn on and off the interactivity of certain objects, but they chose not to.

• converges several colors into one single white beam, like how light would work (white is made up of every color of light)
• it's transmitting through a light crystal. A bright/white crystal would allow a white light irl to pass through it normally.
• the start up for the attack is literally referencing birofringeance. A real world phenomenon in which light is "split" into multiple rays when passing through certain crystals.

It's also using mana to manifest a magical beam attack, visual descriptors don't say anything substantive. Our standards are on the behavior of the light beam to see if it functions realistically, and it does not. Even you mention it "referencing" birofringeance, but does it actually do birofringeance? Is that really a phenomenon that just happens entirely on it's own by holding a magic crystal in a static position?

Characters like the Dryad and the Steampunker already have access to items that can upset this balance by removing Corruption, Crimson and Hallow from the world. So exaggerating and saying Moon Lord can threaten the fabric of reality over this would make little sense if it were something that regular humans like the Steampunker  sell to people and use.

And this balance being upset is then never retaliated against, violently so, by the supposed sentient consciousness of Terraria, they even deliberately leave room for the balance to be destabilized due to spirits of light and darkness being released. The gameplay just isn't very consistent with the supposed lore written well after the flow of events was established

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

A contradiction is a contradiction. It's not impossible for them to program unique interactions given it is a graphically simple game and they do have actuators to turn on and off the interactivity of certain objects, but they chose not to.

It's also using mana to manifest a magical beam attack, visual descriptors don't say anything substantive. Our standards are on the behavior of the light beam to see if it functions realistically, and it does not. Even you mention it "referencing" birofringeance, but does it actually do birofringeance? Is that really a phenomenon that just happens entirely on it's own by holding a magic crystal in a static position?

And this balance being upset is then never retaliated against, violently so, by the supposed sentient consciousness of Terraria, they even deliberately leave room for the balance to be destabilized due to spirits of light and darkness being released. The gameplay just isn't very consistent with the supposed lore written well after the flow of events was established

are you fine with 5-A galaxy stuff and multiplying that by how ever many fragments the pillars can drop (The wiki.gg terraria wiki cites 60)

 

[DMUA]

I'd prefer to just have the current feat recalculated

Edit: actually, a thought does occur. If those are unrelated planets, wouldn't that either make it FTL KE from pulling something out of the solar system, or suggest that it's more a portal/other spatial phenomenon rather than just pulling it down?

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

I'd prefer to just have the current feat recalculated

Edit: actually, a thought does occur. If those are unrelated planets, wouldn't that either make it FTL KE from pulling something out of the solar system, or suggest that it's more a portal/other spatial phenomenon rather than just pulling it down?

I think that was brought up earlier in the thread (or in OP)

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

When I say I want to make the Terrarian OP, I mean like a vanilla Soul of Eternity.

 

[TheGatememer]

Just scale em to the Brain Scrambler, who’s said to fire radiation/lasers.

 

[OrangeFR]

I'd prefer to just have the current feat recalculated

Edit: actually, a thought does occur. If those are unrelated planets, wouldn't that either make it FTL KE from pulling something out of the solar system, or suggest that it's more a portal/other spatial phenomenon rather than just pulling it down?

From what I remember the galaxy calc got 5-A but didn’t take into account the energy from the black hole at the center of every galaxy and was still never recalced when that was pointed out.

 

[SeijiSetto]

From what I remember the galaxy calc got 5-A but didn’t take into account the energy from the black hole at the center of every galaxy and was still never recalced when that was pointed out.

the "power" calc that got 5-A was just multiplying the luminosity of our sun by the number of stars in the average galaxy
you can imagine why black holes weren't taken into account

 

[OrangeFR]

the "power" calc that got 5-A was just multiplying the luminosity of our sun by the number of stars in the average galaxy
you can imagine why black holes weren't taken into account

I know that, it’s just that it seems a bit weird to not take the black hole into account in any way. I guess if there isn’t a way to calc energy per second of the black hole then it should be fine as is.

 

[MaybeWantsToEdit]

A contradiction is a contradiction. It's not impossible for them to program unique interactions given it is a graphically simple game and they do have actuators to turn on and off the interactivity of certain objects, but they chose not to.

Because it would be an unnecessary feature? Again, not everything in the game interacts with blocks like this, if ever besides liquids interacting with other liquids. You're using standards that aren't applicable for any other substance in the game. You can argue that fire isn't real fire because it doesn't set wood blocks on fire. The beam phases through flesh enemies but gets blocked off by flesh walls. Game mechanics.

It's also using mana to manifest a magical beam attack, visual descriptors don't say anything substantive. Our standards are on the behavior of the light beam to see if it functions realistically, and it does not. Even you mention it "referencing" birofringeance, but does it actually do birofringeance? Is that really a phenomenon that just happens entirely on it's own by holding a magic crystal in a static position?

Mana in-game is simply an energy source, not what manifests a weapon's attack. You see this with technological devices (You have a leaf blower with a container the player wears to fire leaves from it, and it requires Mana to charge), and various weapons use Mana as an energy to produce heat, or fire, or to summon various things for weapons. It's not a construct made of Mana, it's produced using Mana to charge it.

It also is a clear whitish color, with the color that is transmitting through it being visible, which matches how this phenomenon would work in real life (this video showing an incredibly similar thing to the Last Prism).

The Last Prism is pyramid-shaped. The weapon generates several rays of light starting from inside it, and as the light converges to the tip of the crystal when propagating through it, the several rays converge to make white. You know the light is being propagated through the beam, since the rays rotate when the crystal rotates. It is also stated to disintegrate things, meaning it generates more heat when more lasers converge into one beam of light.

And this balance being upset is then never retaliated against, violently so, by the supposed sentient consciousness of Terraria, they even deliberately leave room for the balance to be destabilized due to spirits of light and darkness being released.

What's this to do with my argument? I'm saying that disrupting and removing land and thus removing the balance between biomes is clearly not a huge event to those in Terraria's world when regular people sell machines and devices to do that very thing. Why would the writer refer to the Moon Lord as "threatening the fabric of Terraria" by upsetting balance (like you're saying):

So that seems to outline, if anything, what fabric is being disrupted here (that and like, it'd be a bit strange if he was threatening the entire universe and then without elaboration they get beaten by people resonating with a planet)

if people sell things and buy things that do the very same thing. I don't think by the "fabric of Terraria" they're referring to upsetting balance. That's far too exaggerated to write for the writer. It's like saying the "world is rumbling" by hearing someone fire a loud gun. The Lore's text also always refers to what's upsetting the "balance", and when talking about Moon Lord, it doesn't.

The gameplay just isn't very consistent with the supposed lore written well after the flow of events was established

The creators regard the Lore as "a story 8 years in the making finally unleashed" (at the time when they released it). It's implied that they already had the general setup for the story of the game they were making, at least as a sort of guide for the game design. The gameplay's bosses and names and everything else also seems kind of weird on its own until the Lore dropped and explained a lot of things, so I'm pretty sure it was planned as the flow of events in the game were established

 

[DMUA]

Because it would be an unnecessary feature? Again, not everything in the game interacts with blocks like this, if ever besides liquids interacting with other liquids. You're using standards that aren't applicable for any other substance in the game. You can argue that fire isn't real fire because it doesn't set wood blocks on fire. The beam phases through flesh enemies but gets blocked off by flesh walls. Game mechanics.

I would say that a magic fire attack doesn't behave realistically if it can't set the environment on fire, yes (That, and actively destroying material is a much more problematic detail for using a weapon compared to just looking weird when a beam is launched through a liquid, so I get that being absent). That doesn't matter normally but with light beams there's a strict criteria, and they don't pass despite that being feasible. Visual descriptors still aren't adding to our criteria.

What's this to do with my argument? I'm saying that disrupting and removing land and thus removing the balance between biomes is clearly not a huge event to those in Terraria's world when regular people sell machines and devices to do that very thing. Why would the writer refer to the Moon Lord as "threatening the fabric of Terraria" by upsetting balance (like you're saying) if people sell things and buy things that do the very same thing. I don't think by the "fabric of Terraria" they're referring to upsetting balance. That's far too exaggerated to write for the writer. It's like saying the "world is rumbling" by hearing someone fire a loud gun. The Lore's text also always refers to what's upsetting the "balance", and when talking about Moon Lord, it doesn't.

You'd be very surprised what language is made flowery to spice up a bit of literature. If he's really threatening all of reality with his powers why didn't he just blow it up flat out? Why was he matched by a single out of the many, many worlds within a universe? It just makes more (even if not complete) sense if he's messing with the rules that Terraria is founded on instead of just being Low 2-C apparently, and the text certainly doesn't make it explicit what he actually does to be dangerous.

The creators regard the Lore as "a story 8 years in the making finally unleashed" (at the time when they released it). It's implied that they already had the general setup for the story of the game they were making, at least as a sort of guide for the game design. The gameplay's bosses and names and everything else also seems kind of weird on its own until the Lore dropped and explained a lot of things, so I'm pretty sure it was planned as the flow of events in the game were established

Yet there's no actual consequence for violating the balance by turning the corruption into a crater and spraying purification over what's left? It just doesn't really add up, and actively retcons certain aspects like how Skeletron was a demon rather than Moon Lord's skeleton back in the day.

 

[MaybeWantsToEdit]

I would say that a magic fire attack doesn't behave realistically if it can't set the environment on fire, yes (That, and actively destroying material is a much more problematic detail for using a weapon compared to just looking weird when a beam is launched through a liquid, so I get that being absent). That doesn't matter normally but with light beams there's a strict criteria, and they don't pass despite that being feasible. Visual descriptors still aren't adding to our criteria.

Actually by this point might just be splitting hairs. There's an enemy named the Gastropod who's straight-moving red lasers are said to be beams of light in the Bestiary. I know from playing against the mechanical bosses (they use the exact same projectile) that a hardmode Terrarian can outspeed with higher endgame gear, or even just Lilith's Necklace's wolf transformation. Plus they can be dodged point blank with Master Ninja Gear like always.

You'd be very surprised what language is made flowery to spice up a bit of literature. If he's really threatening all of reality with his powers why didn't he just blow it up flat out?

His goal was "to have dominion over all the sentient life that flourishes on your world." The "to rain destruction on" before that part is just him wanting to be a dick, but he generally just wants to rule instead.

Why was he matched by a single out of the many, many worlds within a universe? It just makes more (even if not complete) sense if he's messing with the rules that Terraria is founded on instead of just being Low 2-C apparently, and the text certainly doesn't make it explicit what he actually does to be dangerous.

The protagonist of the game can defeat the Celestial Pillars who all of were able to seal Moon Lord together (as an accumulated effort. Also given the only sealing we know that is specified in the game is spiritual sealing, it is assumed that the four of them are doing that to Moon Lord), and of course one of them being made up of fragments which each have a galaxy's power in them. Moon Lord is clearly a threat beyond the planet itself for "otherwordly" pillars to have to intervene and seal. And the people in the player's planet are capable of being "special" in some way narratively. The lore even says that the player's world has "unprecedented potential".

Yet there's no actual consequence for violating the balance by turning the corruption into a crater and spraying purification over what's left? It just doesn't really add up, and actively retcons certain aspects like how Skeletron was a demon rather than Moon Lord's skeleton back in the day.

The world retaliates when the core of the world is defeated, but affecting the spread of corruption and other biomes isn't cared about. Given the Dryad wants the player to make the world pure fully, and Dryads are physical manifestations of the planet's will, which suggests that the planet itself doesn't like the other biomes besides purity. Actually, seems like the balance the Gods had and what the planet itself wants is at odds, and that what Terraria just wants is the world to be pure and fine. Moon Lord threatening and wanting to rule over all life means it also wants to mess with the corruption/crimson enemies (crimson on its own is alive) which suggests that the biomes itself or the "balance" between biomes isnt what the lore is describing as being threatened. (Dungeon Defenders 2 is canon. The Barkeep from the game is an NPC who interacts and works like any other NPC, and theres a canonical explanation for the crossover)

 

[Mequa]

Por que os historiadores saberiam que o universo como um todo está em perigo, mas pensariam que apenas o planeta deles é o alvo?

Dude, if you look closely, they talk about the creation of PLANETS, the passage of eons, why wouldn't they know that the universe was having its structure threatened?

Also, the lore makes it very clear that "Terraria" refers to the universe, it wouldn't make sense for them to forget and give the name Terraria to the planet, since the planet doesn't have a canonical name.

A própria tradição afirma aqui que Cthulhu chegou ao seu mundo para fazer chover destruição sobre ele e ter domínio sobre toda a sua vida senciente e o tecido de Terraria ficou em perigo somente depois que ele chegou ao seu mundo e tentou dominá-lo me leva a acreditar que isso está se referindo apenas ao mundo, não ao universo, considerando que eles não são os mesmos e a incerteza do narrador da tradição torna mais provável que o tecido de Terraria parecendo no precipício da destruição não realmente para o universo em perigo de ser destruído. Isso é ainda mais apoiado pela declaração "As Dríades, com sua conexão incomparável com o planeta, eram a verdadeira última esperança de Terraria, pois se uniram para salvar toda a vida da aniquilação." tornando aparente que o planeta era a coisa que estava ameaçada.

About this argument, it's also a very flawed argument, this part of the text only states that they have a connection to the planet, not that the planet was the only thing threatened. Besides, the lore itself says "In the blind spot of the universe, there is a planet of unprecedented potential: your world!", even though that doesn't indicate much.

 

[Mequa]

To be honest, I'll have to agree with Uni, there are several quotes about unlimited power in the game, quotes about the destruction of cosmology, quotes about immeasurable power, quotes about universal fury, power of galaxies...
You'll have my yes for Uni, I also want to work more on the scale.

 

[Abscoolguy]

I'm agreeing with uni after reading

 

[Mequa]

For those who are a bit skeptical about the universal tier (or are a little uninformed), there is information in the game that indicates this.

The Stardust Pillar is said to have unlimited power in the bestiary of one of its summons, which indicates that the others also have it, which is consistent with Moonlord's universal tier.

Moonlord is said to have unlimited power in the game's bestiary. A similar statement is made in the lore, saying that he has immeasurable power.

In the game, the player can fuse 3 items with each having a declared infinite interior.

In the game's achievements, Zenith is called "Infinity +1 Sword", I know it may just be a joke, but there is still some consistency in the citations of infinite/unlimited power.

The Solar Fragment has an item tip like "The fury of the universe lies within this fragment", another universal quote, it doesn't say much, but it still makes the tier consistent. Maybe I'll look for more evidence to support the universal tier.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Minor Bump

 

[OrangeFR]

Bump

 

[MatterNerd]

Bump

 

[Fargotal]

Is the moon/planet pulling feat actually even referenced anywhere in game or in lore, or is it just entirely based off of a fan theory? The galaxy and even uni arguments have far more credence in that regard, since it's based off of stuff that is explicitly stated in the game itself.

Also, I keep seeing people mention dungeon defenders scaling to reinforce the uni scaling for the Terrarian, due to the Dryad scaling to the dungeon defenders protagonists who defeated a uni tier threat, and the Terrarian upscales the Dryad. But I don't know how accurate that is since barely anybody actually goes in-depth with dungeon defenders scaling. And it is cross-verse scaling, even if it's canon to both game's universes, which I know some people are iffy about.

 

[OrangeFR]

Is the moon/planet pulling feat actually even referenced anywhere in game or in lore, or is it just entirely based off of a fan theory?

I don’t think it can be called a theory if that is exactly what happens in the game. When you walk near one of the pillars, a planet appears in the background where there wasn’t one before. It doesn’t make sense for it to be an illusion because where else would all of the pillar mobs come from.

 

[Fargotal]

I don’t think it can be called a theory if that is exactly what happens in the game. When you walk near one of the pillars, a planet appears in the background where there wasn’t one before. It doesn’t make sense for it to be an illusion because where else would all of the pillar mobs come from.

The fan theory was stating that the pillars were pulling the moon closer to the planet in order to aid in the Moonlord's escape. But as of 1.4 we now know that the pillars are actually sealing the moonlord away. And the thing is, we don't know exactly how far away the planets are or how big they are, it could be them pulling the planets towards the planet, it could be them just teleporting the planets closer.

Terraria technically doesn't even take place on Earth, either. Its why a lot of the calculations always sat weird with me, and it's why I buy the higher scaling over the moon/planet pulling feat being the peak, since it's based off of stuff actually said in game and in the lore rather than having to make a lot of assumptions.

 

[OrangeFR]

The fan theory was stating that the pillars were pulling the moon closer to the planet in order to aid in the Moonlord's escape. But as of 1.4 we now know that the pillars are actually sealing the moonlord away. And the thing is, we don't know exactly how far away the planets are or how big they are, it could be them pulling the planets towards the planet, it could be them just teleporting the planets closer.

Terraria technically doesn't even take place on Earth, either. Its why a lot of the calculations always sat weird with me, and it's why I buy the higher scaling over the moon/planet pulling feat being the peak, since it's based off of stuff actually said in game and in the lore rather than having to make a lot of assumptions.

The consensus was that the higher scaling is best, but the planet moving stuff could be a good lifting strength feat so that’s why people were talking about it. It’s definitely not the peak of Terraria tho.

 

[UltraExcalibur14]

Doubt the Mods are gonna accept this but I logged back in just to bump this anyways. Hope they update it.

 

[Fargotal]

The consensus was that the higher scaling is best, but the planet moving stuff could be a good lifting strength feat so that’s why people were talking about it. It’s definitely not the peak of Terraria tho.

Ah, makes sense. We don't actually know the size of the planets. But the steam achievement icon and the rings makes me think that they're based off of our Gas giants when it comes to size. Sorry for the late reply.

 

[Grillmaster]

Idk why you're acting like I didn't already address that and the one instance they actually hone in and specify "your world" when they wanted to refer to the single planet you are on in the game different from any other usage of world in the lore

 

[OrangeFR]

Bump, BTW what is the current situation with staff votes?

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Minor Bump.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

This thread deserves more attention.

 

[Dalesean027]

My original opinion still stands Terraria = the universe and you have to ignore all the context of the text say otherwise so I'm still for universe level moon lord, tbh tho this will probably need a new thread with a revised op to garner attention.

 

[OrangeFR]

My original opinion still stands Terraria = the universe and you have to ignore all the context of the text say otherwise so I'm still for universe level moon lord, tbh tho this will probably need a new thread with a revised op to garner attention.

Yeah

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

My original opinion still stands Terraria = the universe and you have to ignore all the context of the text say otherwise so I'm still for universe level moon lord, tbh tho this will probably need a new thread with a revised op to garner attention.

Good.

 

[OrangeFR]

bump