Regular guy vs little girl [9-4-0]

[MrTayman616]

Yes and that is still below Tatsumaki's Thousands of Kilometers There's no way for you to argue that "at least 100 km" can be stretched to include 2000 km distances within the confines of this match

I'm waiting for "Andromeda galaxy is in space, so prove he can't come back from that far" type of argument

 

[azontr]

Before I even say anything else, both of you are being unnecessarily rude and condescending for no reason, and frankly, if you can't act like grown adults who know how to act and not tiny babies then what is the point of this debate.

 

[Kachon123]

I'm waiting for "Andromeda galaxy is in space, so prove he can't come back from that far" type of argument

Regulus has 0.2 seconds before he even can respond after getting launched, by which point he'd be 1124221.72 kilometers away moving at Rel+ speed. But hey, at least 100 kilometers right

 

[MrTayman616]

Before I even say anything else, both of you are being unnecessarily rude and condescending for no reason, and frankly, if you can't act like grown adults who know how to act and not tiny babies then what is the point of this debate.

Sorry for being rude, I hate writing from phone. I just wrote many comments at once and i took the pain of my fingers on you. (not kidding, sry fr) cant bother to even fix grammar(becuz of pain)

 

[Kachon123]

Before I even say anything else, both of you are being unnecessarily rude and condescending for no reason, and frankly, if you can't act like grown adults who know how to act and not tiny babies then what is the point of this debate.

We've been at it for 8 pages so my apologies if that's how I came off. I'll tone it down but at least read what folks are saying because we have repeated the same things to you since your first post here (why a FTL character can't blitz a MHS+ from space-range) with seemingly no acknowledgment on your end.

 

[StormAcci]

Tatsumaki can throw at rel+ speed. After "at least 100km", Regulus loses his connection to his wifes. he would die before being able to come back(or before he even reacts)

For the record, Regulus has 7-A Durability even without his authority and supernatural willpower that can allow him to survive even after his entire body's been broken. I'm not sure how much damage being thrown at this speed would do, but I think it's fair to say that Regulus would probably survive being thrown in space, he would also have enough time to come back from space.

I still think this fight is inconclusive; both characters seem to have solid win conditions, and this match up still seems very situational.

 

[Arkansalter2]

8 pages of how tatsumaki's BFR works.

 

[Kachon123]

For the record, Regulus has 7-A Durability even without his authority and supernatural willpower that can allow him to survive even after his entire body's been broken. I'm not sure how much damage being thrown at this speed would do, but I think it's fair to say that Regulus would probably survive being thrown in space, he would also have enough time to come back from space.

Tatsumaki while severely injured and holding back could oneshot a High 6-A character and left their remains damaged to the cellular level. Regulus is getting torn to pieces

 

[MrTayman616]

For the record, Regulus has 7-A Durability even without his authority and supernatural willpower that can allow him to survive even after his entire body's been broken. I'm not sure how much damage being thrown at this speed would do, but I think it's fair to say that Regulus would probably survive being thrown in space, he would also have enough time to come back from space.

It's not only a matter of durability + it does more damage than that.

 

[StormAcci]

It's not only a matter of durability + it does more damage than that.

What is it exactly? He can survive every single bone in his body being shattered, and his organs all being badly damaged. His durability would allow him to survive the speed he's being moved at, and he should be fast enough to fly back.

 

[azontr]

We've been at it for 8 pages so my apologies if that's how I came off. I'll tone it down but at least read what folks are saying because we have repeated the same things to you since your first post here (why a FTL character can't blitz a MHS+ from space-range) with seemingly no acknowledgment on your end.

It's fine, I can see how our fundamental disagreements can be seen as frustrating, it happens to everyone when they feel like they're not getting through, and now that we've gone over some points my general idea of how the fight goes down has changed from just Regulus stomping, though I still hold the idea that he wins.

For now, I'll go over the thread from start to finish to complete my understanding of the specific intricacies of the fight before I make a final conclusion on anything.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Can Regulus use Lion's Heart on a target remotely? If so, can he use it to just send Tornado into space?

 

[Entity]

Don't know if that was said, but if Tatsumaki throws him away at relativist speed and Regulus gets out of range and loses the protection from his Authority just for a moment, wouldn't he be pulverized as stated in Tatsumaki's page?

 

[StormAcci]

Tatsumaki while severely injured and holding back could oneshot a High 6-A character and left their remains damaged to the cellular level. Regulus is getting torn to pieces

Oh yeah, I'm not arguing Regulus would be able to survive Tatsumaki's attacks, he'd absolute die instantly.

 

[StormAcci]

Don't know if that was said, but if Tatsumaki throws him away at relativist speed and Regulus gets out of range and loses the protection from his Authority just for a moment, wouldn't he be pulverized as stated in Tatsumaki's page?

No, Regulus has the durability (7-A) to survive it.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Don't know if that was said, but if Tatsumaki throws him away at relativist speed and Regulus gets out of range and loses the protection from his Authority just for a moment, wouldn't he be pulverized as stated in Tatsumaki's page?

It seems like the range limit is just for Regulus's unlimited use of Lion's Heart. It can still be used for five seconds on himself when he's out of range (and I don't think it would be deactivated automatically outside of that range, from what I can gather, especially since he's come back from space after being thrown by someone who can throw him even faster than Tornado can).

 

[Vizmer]

why would she even start with bfr to outer-space here, even though regulus could just come back. IIRC, didn’t he use bfr to space as a last attack on Saitama. Not to mention that he would probably have his shield up.

Her being fast doesn’t really matter since he would just blitz her. He was able to hit reinhard who is much more faster and skilled than her.

 

[Kachon123]

why would she even start with bfr to outer-space here, even though regulus could just come back. IIRC, didn’t he use bfr to space as a last attack on Saitama. Not to mention that he would probably have his shield up.

I mean pick your poison either he gets launched to space or he gets erased from existence. Both of which Tatsumaki can and would do.

Her being fast doesn’t really matter since he would just blitz her. He was able to hit reinhard who is much more faster and skilled than her.

He's not blitzing he from the range that he'd be launching attacks from.

 

[Zabazab]

I'm still confused on why BFR is even being argued? It's one of the things confirmed to not work on Regulus. I have said this multiple times. Sending Regulus into space achieves nothing for Tatsumaki, in fact it likely just triggers him enough to decide to ignore her telekinesis. Stop ignoring that fact. BFR is NOT a wincon.

Besides, the idea that she'd start with BFR in the first place? Unlikely. Especially thousands of kilometres away. They're both more likely to argue with eachother before Tatsumaki tries to crush/twist/paste Regulus while he decides to flick his wrist/breathe/toss dirt.

 

[Entity]

and I don't think it would be deactivated automatically outside of that range, from what I can gather, especially since he's come back from space after being thrown by someone who can throw him even faster than Tornado can

In that case he was still into range, that is why the range of his ability is at least 100 km, but the exact moment the ability is not automatic anymore it deactivates without Regulus even knowing as it happens in the anime, so he just vaporizes I guess

 

[Kachon123]

I'm still confused on why BFR is even being argued? It's one of the things confirmed to not work on Regulus. I have said this multiple times. Sending Regulus into space achieves nothing for Tatsumaki, in fact it likely just triggers him enough to decide to ignore her telekinesis. Stop ignoring that fact. BFR is NOT a wincon.

Besides, the idea that she'd start with BFR in the first place? Unlikely. Especially thousands of kilometres away. They're both more likely to argue with eachother before Tatsumaki tries to crush/twist/paste Regulus while he decides to flick his wrist/breathe/toss dirt.

I don't think anyone is saying that he would be incapable of coming back. For the 50th time, even if Regulus wants to return to the battle that takes copious amounts of time.

 

[StormAcci]

why would she even start with bfr to outer-space here, even though regulus could just come back. IIRC, didn’t he use bfr to space as a last attack on Saitama. Not to mention that he would probably have his shield up.

SBA makes Tatsumaki assume Regulus is an enemy, so her behavior would be completely different from her fight against Saitama. In this scenario, she'd try a few attacks against Regulus (such as trying to crush him with TK) and would eventually resign to using BFR against Regulus.

Her being fast doesn’t really matter since he would just blitz her. He was able to hit reinhard who is much more faster and skilled than her.

Regulus does not blitz Tatsumaki here, she has MHS+ combat speed while Regulus only has Average Human level speed. Regulus can reach FTL speed with his authority, but he can't react to his own speed.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

I mean pick your poison either he gets launched to space or he gets erased from existence. Both of which Tatsumaki can and would do.

Wait, why are you arguing like BFR is Tornado's first-move? She's only ever attempted it once and it was a last resort.

 

[MrTayman616]

What is it exactly? He can survive every single bone in his body being shattered, and his organs all being badly damaged. His durability would allow him to survive the speed he's being moved at, and he should be fast enough to fly back

Speed at that level turns you into dust. completely vaporizes him. heat.

I'm still confused on why BFR is even being argued? It's one of the things confirmed to not work on Regulus.

That is wrong. the speed and distance matters. his distance limit doesn't change here. Author's statement regarding Reinhard and Regulus is irrelevant to Tatsumaki here.

why would she even start with bfr to outer-space here, even though regulus could just come back

He can't come back, Tatsumaki kills her the moment she senses that he's no longer a spatial distortion. or he dies from air friction. The distance is way higher than his known "at least 100km" here.

didn’t he use bfr to space as a last attack on Saitama.

Saitama isn't an spatial distortion. He's just so durable which is why Tatsumaki uses stronger attacks over and over. Tatsumaki chooses optimal ways. (qlso even then he sent him between cities which is higher than hundreds of km)

Her being fast doesn’t really matter since he would just blitz her. He was able to hit reinhard who is much more faster and skilled than her

Regulus can only do it on a straight line + while being ready since he lacks control. His reaction speed doesn't change from it eather.

Wait, why are you arguing like BFR is Tornado's first-move? She's only ever attempted it once and it was a last resort.

Tatsumaki can sense that Regulus is a spatial distortion here. Unlike Saitama who was just so strong. She starts with a good understanding of his ability. Tatsumaki chooses optimal ways.

 

[StormAcci]

I'm still confused on why BFR is even being argued? It's one of the things confirmed to not work on Regulus. I have said this multiple times. Sending Regulus into space achieves nothing for Tatsumaki, in fact it likely just triggers him enough to decide to ignore her telekinesis. Stop ignoring that fact. BFR is NOT a wincon.

Besides, the idea that she'd start with BFR in the first place? Unlikely. Especially thousands of kilometres away. They're both more likely to argue with eachother before Tatsumaki tries to crush/twist/paste Regulus while he decides to flick his wrist/breathe/toss dirt.

They're arguing BFR because of the speed gap (MHS+ Vs Average Human), even without BFR being Tatsumaki's starting move, she would have enough time to TK Regulus a few times, find out it doesn't work, and then BFR before Regulus can react.

There's also the fact she could sense Regulus being an anomaly in space, which would make her take the fight seriously from the get-go (since apparently space related abilities would remind Tatsumaki of Blast and make her consider Regulus to be dangerous)

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Would Regulus be affected by Tornado's telekinesis? I don't know anything about Re:Zero, but I saw a clip of him dealing with an ability that seems similar to Tornado's telekinesis.

 

[Kachon123]

Wait, why are you arguing like BFR is Tornado's first-move? She's only ever attempted it once and it was a last resort.

Tayman gave another answer above, but her first move against Saitama was a BFR attempt so I'm confused on what you mean?

 

[StormAcci]

Would Regulus be affected by Tornado's telekinesis? I don't know anything about Re:Zero, but I saw a clip of him dealing with an ability that seems similar to Tornado's telekinesis.

Initially, yes. Regulus can make himself unaffected by external force, so he could make himself unaffected. But he has to willingly make himself immune to it, which would take him some time because of the speed gap.

 

[azontr]

Okay, I'm back, having read all of the arguments, and I still think Regulus wins.

Based on what I've read, while Tatsumaki's starting attacks may be large-scale and reckless, she does not begin with instantaneous BFR into space or into a place where Regulus would hypothetically lose connection with his wives. It's possible for her first move to be that, but typically she will attempt to crush her opponents or uproot massive expanses of land to attack them, and given Regulus is just one guy, I see no reason for her to decide to uproot land when she can just use her TK to crush him or use smaller masses to end hi, at least initially.

The way I see this fight going down is Tatsumaki realizes Regulus is a spatial distortion and tries to do what she usually does and crush him. Her initial attempts don't work, and not yet realizing Regulus is invulnerable, she will attempt continuously larger scale attacks until Regulus simply decides to ignore her telekinesis all-together, making him unmovable. Then, all Regulus needs to do is flick, and she's dead.

It's not a stomp, in my opinion. But the world in which Tatsumaki instantly deduces that he's invulnerable and begins with her largest scale attacks (which would kill his wives, of course) or simply decides to throw him off the planet seem exceedingly unlikely to happen with her standard mindset, and all Regulus has to do to invalidate these wincons is for her to direct any of her standard attacks at him and then decide he doesn't want her abilities to move him anymore, which doesn't require any extra focus on his part, giving him leeway to basically do whatever he wants.

Not a stomp by any means, but Regulus will still probably win.

 

[Kachon123]

Based on what I've read, while Tatsumaki's starting attacks may be large-scale and reckless, she does not begin with instantaneous BFR into space or into a place where Regulus would hypothetically lose connection with his wives. It's possible for her first move to be that, but typically she will attempt to crush her opponents or uproot massive expanses of land to attack them, and given Regulus is just one guy, I see no reason for her to decide to uproot land when she can just use her TK to crush him or use smaller masses to end hi, at least initially.

Tatsumaki can sense spatial anomalies. She'd be aware of Regulus' invincibility as well as his danger, which is why she would go for BFR to space/across cities of several hundred to thousands of kilometers rather than instantly crushing him.

The way I see this fight going down is Tatsumaki realizes Regulus is a spatial distortion and tries to do what she usually does and crush him

Why in the world would she do this

 

[azontr]

Tatsumaki can sense spatial anomalies. She'd be aware of Regulus' invincibility as well as his danger, which is why she would go for BFR to space/across the of several hundred to thousands of kilometers rather than instantly crushing him.

Spatial distortion would not inherently signify his invincibility. His invincibility comes from the fact his time is stopped, which causes that spatial distortion, but he is not invulnerable because Lion's Heart distorts space as its ability.

Unless being a spatial anomaly in OPM causes complete invulnerability then there's no reason for her to not do what she normally does. And given what I know, her only experience with that is via Blast's abilities, which don't grant invulnerability.

 

[MrTayman616]

I saw a perfect comment and wondered why i couldn't like it until realizing it was mine

Based on what I've read, while Tatsumaki's starting attacks may be large-scale and reckless, she does not begin with instantaneous BFR into space or into a place where Regulus would hypothetically lose connection with his wives

In this case, Tatsumaki starts with a good understanding of his ability. She wouldn't try mass destruction like that.
She uses optimal ways. (she could cause mass destruction to make her decoys more effective though.)

Spatial distortion would not inherently signify his invincibility. His invincibility comes from the fact his time is stopped, which causes that spatial distortion, but he is not invulnerable because Lion's Heart distorts space as its ability.

Just a spatial distortion itself wouldn't. but your entire existence(and even things you touch) being an spatial distortion would.

Unless being a spatial anomaly in OPM causes complete invulnerability then there's no reason for her to not do what she normally does. And given what I know, her only experience with that is via Blast's abilities, which don't grant invulnerability.

Grants spatial dur neg attacks. which in this case, Blast's few attacks are. not hus "existence".

 

[azontr]

In this case, Tatsumaki starts with a good understanding of his ability. She wouldn't try mass destruction like that.

How so?

Just a spatial distortion itself wouldn't. but your entire existence(and even things you touch) being an spatial distortion would.

No, that would just tell her that Regulus is a spatial distortion and can cause other spatial distortions by touching objects.

Grants spatial dur neg attacks. which in this case, Blast's few attacks are. not hus "existence".

Spatial manipulation grants that, yes, but not just distortions in it that she senses. She doesn't have a reason to assume Regulus can't be harmed, or that his attacks are inherently all-piercing because he's a distortion in space.

 

[StormAcci]

What's the current vote tally?

 

[azontr]

Idk, Satella's being a bum OP and not counting votes.

 

[Entity]

What's the current vote tally?

4 for Tatsumaki and the rest for Regulus I think

 

[Kachon123]

Spatial distortion would not inherently signify his invincibility. His invincibility comes from the fact his time is stopped, which causes that spatial distortion, but he is not invulnerable because Lion's Heart distorts space as its ability.

Unless being a spatial anomaly in OPM causes complete invulnerability then there's no reason for her to not do what she normally does. And given what I know, her only experience with that is via Blast's abilities, which don't grant invulnerability.

Being a spatial distortion 100% does inherently signify invincibility.

His invincibility comes from the fact his time is stopped, which causes that spatial distortion, but he is not invulnerable because Lion's Heart distorts space as its ability.

She doesn't need to know that it comes from his time being stopped for her to know that he's invincible. Her knowing he is a walking spatial distortion is confirmation in and of itself.

 

[MrTayman616]

How so?

Spatial distortion causes time to behave differently. Saitama and Flash were literally in an another space while being on Earth at the same time. they were also on a different flow of time.

It has both spatial and temporal effects.(which is why it's called space-time manipulation as well lmao :d). Tatsumaki definitely realizes it.

 

[azontr]

Being a spatial distortion 100% does inherently signify invincibility.

How. He isn't invulnerable because he's a spatial distortion, he is invulnerable because he cannot change, which is because his time is stopped, which is the source of the invulnerability, not a spatial phenomenon.

Spatial distortion causes time to behave differently. Saitama and Flash were literally in an another space while being on Earth at the same time. they were also on a different flow of time.

It has both spatial and temporal effects.(which is why it's called space-time manipulation as well lmao :d). Tatsumaki definitely realizes it.

Regulus' time doesn't flow differently, though. It doesn't flow at all. Time flowing at a different rate and not flowing whatsoever are different. And sensing the distortion itself wouldn't inherently mean she's sensing that time is flowing weirdly, if it did the profile would say she can sense Space-Time distortions, not just spatial distortions.

And, just so I can have a better idea of what you mean, can you send the scan of what you're talking about?

 

[MrTayman616]

How. He isn't invulnerable because he's a spatial distortion, he is invulnerable because he cannot change, which is because his time is stopped, which is the source of the invulnerability, not a spatial phenomenon.

He cannot change because he's outside of the flow of time of the world(cutt off from the world's flow of time). Which Saitama and Flash experienced when they were in a different flow of time with different space while being on Earth at the same time. Not being on world's flow of time while being there(The difference is that the space itself were like that rather than the existence, but being a spatial distortion, being outside flow of time while physically being there. these are enough to realize it).

Tatsumaki can sense him being cut off the world's flow of time(it being stop for him doesn't matter because they are not affected by it either way. not causing a difference for her understanding). I'm on phone, can't send links.