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Marvel gods revision (BDE Type 2)

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Hi, I've been working on a little project for giving 1-A to Marvel Gods through their true nature as beyond-dimensional beings.


Tiering:​

This goes hand to hand with another thread of mine that's ongoing which highlights the structure of the Marvel Cosmology. So, this is the basic gist for the ratings with the gods.

Low 1-C for all the godly realms that are situated outside Earth-616 as such Asgard, Olympus, Ta-Lo, etc…with each of the residents getting the tiers correlating with the realm itself since they can obviously exist in places beyond all space and time.

Questions and Inquiry:​

Where do the avatars of the gods scale to?

The avatars of the gods can range anywhere from Low 2-C to High 1-B+. The higher portion needs direct evidence of affecting all diverging timelines of the 616 Univere along all the worlds within worlds occupying all dimensional levels of time and space within Universal Eternity. Quite, obvious since Loki holds a lot more power than Marc Spector when both were in the mundane plane of existence. For the higher example, Thor on several occasions had the power to shatter reality or affect it to such a degree it could go through many layers of dimensional time and space.

How do the Elders Gods scale in conjunction with the regular deities?

A lot higher depending on the approach. Gaea, herself, states she's the spirit of all the life forces on Earth, even going as far as saying she is the source and the power for the gods. If we go by that approach then they'd scale a lot higher in the same way the lesser gods transcend mortals using the metaphor of Plato, so too does the Elders Gods to both. So they're a lot higher up the chain.

How do you differentiate the realms being located outside time and space rather than in dimensional compounds of lesser degree?

Its rather easy since the statement already clarifies the matter. In the current Cosmology blog, it was accepted that 616 contains infinite dimensions mentioned in several times. There's the added incentive of worlds within worlds holding the same layering of infinite dimensions, these realms are at least at the edge or completely outside and transcending these level. Rather than worlds within worlds of the material plane, they are in the next level of existence far beyond it as I've shown several examples in my blog post. Essentially, outside space and time are outside all the layering of the mundane plane of existence which ranges to High 1-B.

Hope that clarifies any question and let's get this going. Also, huge credit to @Eseseso for helping with the project.
 
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@Qawsedf234 @Elizio33 @Catzlaflame @Deagonx @IdiosyncraticLawyer @LordTracer @ProfectusInfinity @FinePoint @SamanPatou @Starter_Pack

Your help would also be appreciated here. 🙏

Personally I think that 1-A godly realms seems exaggerated for Marvel Comics, given that regular characters have consistently been able to interact with and fight the deities in Asgard and Olympus.
Tagged Qawsedf already, not sure if Tracer wants to touch Tier 1 stuff with a 10-meter pole.
 
@Qawsedf234 @Elizio33 @Catzlaflame @Deagonx @IdiosyncraticLawyer @LordTracer @ProfectusInfinity @FinePoint @SamanPatou @Starter_Pack

Your help would also be appreciated here. 🙏

Personally I think that 1-A godly realms seems exaggerated for Marvel Comics, given that regular characters have consistently been able to interact with and fight the deities in Asgard and Olympus.
I lean on agreeing with you, though I haven't read the blog yet, so I might comment later.
 
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I don't know about 1-A specifically, but I don't think interaction should be an anti-feat if no one has feats of interacting with their true forms
 
I can't comment on too much of this thread, since I'm not really knowledgable on 1-A stuff, but I am knowledgable on Asgard stuff.

At first glance, I'm really iffy on the Avatars thing applying to all gods. With the Loki example, he was using his spiritual form because his body was imprisoned on Asgard. I don't think that has anything to do with a concept of Avatars really. I don't think the Thor example does either, Thor could materialize anywhere in time and space because Asgard was temporarily left dimensional stranded which messed up Thor's teleportation. By "materialize" it is talking about him teleporting somewhere, it is not referring to materializing an Avatar.

God realms being beyond time and space is definitely consistent, and the statement about Thor's divinity transcending dimensions indicates that the gods themselves are as well. I do not know if this is what 1-A is though.
 
What are some examples of the 1-A qualitative difference for them?
Lesser beings shadow on walls for them at their full divinity. Not to mention the scan of full divinity superseding dimensionality altogether. Also, not being confined in 616 which is 1-A embodied by Universal Eternity.

Are you guys reading the blog? Stop with the nonsense of “1-A should be consistent.” A lot of comic stuff over the years has shown that these gods' characters are indeed beyond such a notion, but sometimes they do interact with lesser beings which I say has more to do with the story trying to progress. The first two points should already be enough.
 
Lesser beings shadow on walls for them at their full divinity. Not to mention the scan of full divinity superseding dimensionality altogether. Also, not being confined in 616 which is 1-A embodied by Universal Eternity.

Are you guys reading the blog? Stop with the nonsense of “1-A should be consistent.” A lot of comic stuff over the years has shown that these gods' characters are indeed beyond such a notion, but sometimes they do interact with lesser beings which I say has more to do with the story trying to progress. The first two points should already be enough.
Can you please explain as to why Power of Love Spiderman is not High 1-A+?
 
At first glance, I'm really iffy on the Avatars thing applying to all gods. With the Loki example, he was using his spiritual form because his body was imprisoned on Asgard. I don't think that has anything to do with a concept of Avatars really. I don't think the Thor example does either, Thor could materialize anywhere in time and space because Asgard was temporarily left dimensional stranded which messed up Thor's teleportation. By "materialize" it is talking about him teleporting somewhere, it is not referring to materializing an Avatar.
I think it's really splitting hair.
God realms being beyond time and space is definitely consistent, and the statement about Thor's divinity transcending dimensions indicates that the gods themselves are as well. I do not know if this is what 1-A is though.
It is, but somehow we need arbitrary rule about being consistently qualitatively superior when it clearly is.
 
So it seems really consistent that gods are higher dimensional at the least, even if 1-A is contentious. With that in mind, where does that leave other gods who are not Skyfather Tier? Thor and Hercules have 1-A god ratings due to Yggdrasil, and they also have the Low 1-C from High Heralds. I'm also planning a Loki upgrade that would bring him up to downscaling from Thor's physical AP and going up to 1-A with magic due to Doctor Strange scaling.

But what about the others? Where would the Warriors Three, Sif, Balder, Ares, etc. be if this is accepted? Would they scale to whatever god rating is accepted here?
 
Other than 100+ scans saying the realms of the gods are beyond time, space, and dimension. Alongside, the most obvious exampled with Plato saying Divinity against mortals are mere shadows in a cave alongside a direct statement from Thor’s divinity transcending dimension entirely. The Astral Plane and Universal Eternity are 1-A, and the God realms literally scale above both, so…..where is the actual issue?

“Consistency” isn't an issue either. Reading over 400 stories from Thor's first volume alongside Journey into the Mystery, most times mortals can't even travel to it without Thor or some other god making dimensional vortexes that cut through time and space. There's a very few example where characters without amps, transportation by another god, or being a god themselves. However, that's very plot contrive and most of the examples are “beings that threathen the gods.”
 
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The Astral Plane and Universal Eternity are 1-A, and the God realms literally scale above both, so…..where is the actual issue?
Eh, no.

The God Realms scaling above the High 1-B(+?) scientific universe is one thing, but they are still very much part of Universal Eternity, as they are located within the mystical part of Eternity.

The only possible exception to this could be the Elder Gods since Ultima did mention that they are on the level of the White Hot Room.
 
The God Realms scaling above the High 1-B(+?) scientific universe is one thing, but they are still very much part of Universal Eternity, as they are located within the mystical part of Eternity.
Yeah, that's going to have to change as that doesn't make sense.
The only possible exception to this could be the Elder Gods since Ultima did mention that they are on the level of the White Hot Room.
That doesn't make sense either.
 
Okay. I have read through the following blog post, and it seems to make good sense, although somebody needs to improve on the quality of its language structure a bit.


I suppose that we have to consider the cases of mortals interacting with the deities as equals as being either poorly written outliers or them being elevated to higher states of being at the time, much like we do for DC Comics, when characters travel to New Genesis or Apokolips. 🙏
 
Okay. I have read through the following blog post, and it seems to make good sense, although somebody needs to improve on the quality of its language structure a bit.


I suppose that we have to consider the cases of mortals interacting with the deities as equals as being either poorly written outliers or them being elevated to higher states of being at the time, much like we do for DC Comics, when characters travel to New Genesis or Apokolips. 🙏
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Okay. I have read through the following blog post, and it seems to make good sense, although somebody needs to improve on the quality of its language structure a bit.


I suppose that we have to consider the cases of mortals interacting with the deities as equals as being either poorly written outliers or them being elevated to higher states of being at the time, much like we do for DC Comics, when characters travel to New Genesis or Apokolips. 🙏
Yeah, Sentry and the Silver Surfer are straight up more powerful than the gods. They get a pass.
 
I don't remember seeing the Sentry or the Silver Surfer remotely displaying a 1-A scale of power, with the exception of when Silver Surfer fought the Griever for 4 minutes.

Also, I was thinking more of characters such as the original New Mutants beating up Asgardians.
 
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I don't remember seeing the Sentry or the Silver Surfer remotely displaying a 1-A scale of power, with the exception of when Silver Surfer fought the Griever for 4 minutes.
I'm including them because they're examples of fighting the gods not being an outlier.
Also, I was thinking more of characters such as the original New Mutants beating up Asgsrdians.
There is a gap between regular Asgardians and the higher-up ones.
 
I meant that the New Mutants have repeatedly been shown to beat up Asgardians within Asgard, where, if I understood correctly, according to you, the Asgardians are tier 1-A.
 
Okay, that is probably fine, but we probably need to acknowledge that there are lower physical manifestations of Asgard and Olympus within which regular superhumans can interact with and fight them. 🙏
 
I do not remember that. My apologies. 🙏
 
I'm confused as to why it's being argued that the mystic realms aren't part of Earth-616, the alternate earths consistently have their own variants of the Hell-Lords and Skyfathers. It's explained in-depth in both Ultima's cosmology page and the magic page how numbered earths comprise a scientific universe and mystical universe.
 
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Okay, that is probably fine, but we probably need to acknowledge that there are lower physical manifestations of Asgard and Olympus within which regular superhumans can interact with and fight them. 🙏
So about this...
 
Okay, that is probably fine, but we probably need to acknowledge that there are lower physical manifestations of Asgard and Olympus within which regular superhumans can interact with and fight them. 🙏
This is definitely worth figuring out
 
Chiming in to say that Ultima recently commented on a similar topic that may be relevant to this thread here:


Watching for now.
 
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