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Crisis Cosmology Revision (Final Thread)

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Personally, I think it would be good to add this since it fits well with what was agreed on this thread.
Okay. I am personally fine with it then, but would prefer more community input. 🙏
 
have unlocked it for editing, but it seems unreliable to backscale power-ups from a much later continuity to a time before they were introduced, if that is what is intended. 🙏
Wally West is already High Outer and it links to this Barry Allen when saying they are comparable
 
okay i see and pralaya isnt connected to the great darkness ?? is she another void ? because they are many void that precede creation in DC and Vertigo
We've split the Cosmology. Pralaya and the Darkness essentially have the same function.
 
VeryGoofyToddler2:

Are you willing to properly update the statistics for the following page please? 🙏

 
VeryGoofyToddler2:

Are you willing to properly update the statistics for the following page please? 🙏

Probably. Do you want to actually redo the entire Post-Crisis key rather than saying “scales to Nabu?”
 
I mainly just want all of the statistics in this page to be accurately corrected, but feel free to make further improvements there if you wish. 🙏
 
I mainly just want all of the statistics in this page to be accurately corrected, but feel free to make further improvements there if you wish. 🙏
That'll be further down the line. I'm busy with doing BDE for Marvel Gods. I think by now we should close this thread.
 
Well, Mordru's page seems to have been sloppily updated earlier today, so that needs to be fixed first. 🙏
 
Well, Mordru's page seems to have been sloppily updated earlier today, so that needs to be fixed first. 🙏
Did the person in question ask you to edit the page? I'm in the mindset these pages should wait for the Administrator's permission to edit.
 
No, they did not. I can revert their edits there if you prefer. 🙏
 
Uh btw Mordru isn't just comparable to Nabu unrestricted. He gave all of the Justice League Lord of Order level amps without any effort, stated to be more than capable of destroying the cosmology at the time without any effort, among other things. He was blatantly way above Nabu as of that point.
 
Uh btw Mordru isn't just comparable to Nabu unrestricted. He gave all of the Justice League Lord of Order level amps without any effort, stated to be more than capable of destroying the cosmology at the time without any effort, among other things. He was blatantly way above Nabu as of that point.
I'd say above nabu, and possibly above upsidedown man too, It is implied that he had the power to destroy all the other kind, but as he said, he just didn't want to do it
 
If anyone wants to edit the statistics key for Mordru then you have Ant and I permission to do so. The profile needs fixing and it's not in my priority right now, so it'll be helpful if someone can handle it when they can.
 
A new justification for the Presence (Crisis Cosmology):

"Transcends the Source and the Great Darkness, existing only as its own perfection, and contracted from himself a space for the coming creation of which he represents an infinite circle which is represented as the "limitless light". The true nature of God is non-dual, all-encompassing and all-transcending, even the Void of non-existence from which all Creation came is part of God and his “plan.” In many creation myths, he is seen as the supreme creator of all things, above all others, with the divine figures below him being merely aspects of his infinity."
And one modified footnote based on what was agreed here:

In the Crisis Cosmology, the Presence is the creator god behind the gates of Heaven and being related to the Source, the Overvoid and the Light. When Mister Miracle stood before the gates of Heaven, he claimed to have felt the Source behind those gates; when Cronus got his hands on the Godwave, he claimed to have the power of the Presence; Wally West claimed that throughout the Overvoid, beings like Perpetua are shaping Multiverses using great energies born of "the Presence," of "the Source." However, many creation myths speak of a God above all others, existing only as his own perfection and transcending all Creation and even the Great Darkness which is represented as part of his plan and true infinity. This God would have many “forms” or “appearances” according to the different myths and beliefs, making the Presence an aspect of his own true self with the Source, the Overvoid and the Light after God entered the Great Darkness with his power and name.

Do you agree with this?
 
Just in case, I don't think that sixth dimension is Perpetua's, if that's what's being implied here. It doesn't have the same description, and it's literally a spatial dimension with more axes than the fifth dimension—literally 6D (low 1-C)
This is a different interpretation of the Sixth Dimension. We'll see in the future how the DC writers would handle this, if they do, but for now the only thing we can do to combine the new information with past information is to assume that Mister Mxyzptlk was lying to the Justice League when he said that he couldn't get to the Sixth Dimension.

Mr. Mxyzptlk is in basis a trickster and not exactly the most reliable source. That's what he is in character, always trolling for fun. So it's possible that Mister Mxyzptlk was simply lying when he said he could only open a portal to the Sixth Dimension because the Source Wall has been destroyed because he wanted to make fun of the Justice League. Remember that right after all his claims about opening a portal to the Sixth Dimension and infusing Superman with fifth-dimensional energy, he sent Superman to a galaxy created by the World Forger.

If we choose this path, I don't think the Sixth Dimension will be affected much, but it should be noted that it operates under different rules and logic that defy even comprehension and that Imps can enter it (or certain rooms within it).

Or it's simply a continuity error or retcon and the Sixth Dimension is, like the Fifth Dimension, subject to constant changes by different writers.
 
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Ik this is off topic but since the threads basically been concluded. I'm surprised that there hasn't been a magic blog for Dc like Marvel has on vsbw
 
Remember that right after all his claims about opening a portal to the Sixth Dimension and infusing Superman with fifth-dimensional energy, he sent Superman to a galaxy created by the World Forger.
I thought it was the World Forger himself who did that. I mean, at the moment he crossed the door, Alpheus perhaps used his powers or something to divert Superman to that dead planet. would be consistent, considering Superman was a threat to his plans.
 
I thought it was the World Forger himself who did that. I mean, at the moment he crossed the door, Alpheus perhaps used his powers or something to divert Superman to that dead planet. would be consistent, considering Superman was a threat to his plans.
Mr. Mxyzptlk was cooperating with Alpheus' plan. Afterwards, Mxy began erasing the Multiverse so that Alpheus' Multiverse could replace it. So it would make sense that Mxy lied to Superman about the portal since Superman posed a threat to Alpheus' plan.
 
I just say that the “Sixth Dimension” simply is more of a dimensional axis than the plane of existence.
One question I have about that in general, is how do you classify the level of a realm with mathematical/quantitative properties (with spatial axes, like the Fifth Dimension) within the higher tiers like 1-A and beyond? I assume you took its spatial interpretation as its lowest manifestation and other interpretations as the true extent of its nature, right?
 
One question I have about that in general, is how do you classify the level of a realm with mathematical/quantitative properties (with spatial axes, like the Fifth Dimension) within the higher tiers like 1-A and beyond? I assume you took its spatial interpretation as its lowest manifestation and other interpretations as the true extent of its nature, right?
Yeah, best to take the higher interpretation that's it not bounded by spatiality since its composition is purely reliant on being imagination which isn't physical in any form.
 
6th dimension is already mentioned in older stories like cathexis. Countdown literally mentions 13D -14D. So imo perpetua 6th dimension is completely different from the Spatial dimensions.
 
Anyway. It's up to you to decide what we should do with the Sixth Dimension, but i just don't think the "It's not the same "Sixth Dimension as The Sixth Dimension arc" is the right answer.
 
Scott Snyder writer who created 6th dimension stated in interview that it is not physics-based spatial dimension
 
@Elizio33

Shouldn't we discuss the issues that you recently brought up here before closing this thread? 🙏
 
Okay. Never mind then. 🙏
 
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