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Well, damn, it seems something went down (and is still going down) when I wasn't looking.
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Pokemon Discussion Thread - Red & Blue arc
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CodeCCLL
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Are you really okay? You seem to purposely pit yourself against others.
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Cause it makes dumb walls of texts that just make it even worse to drag on
TLDR but its because then its hardly a trainer profile, when said trainer has no actual character or direct feats of their own, nor set Pokemon. You're basically giving a profile to some OC, unlike actual named characters in SMT.
This verse doesnt need more overbloated pages either. They weren't made cause its quite literally is just a page of all the mons in a dex. If its anything like the Gloria and Calem pages, its way too long and yapping too if we're deadass gonna name EVERY item in the game.
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera
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Damn, sorry there are so many items in Pokemon I guess.
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eh, it terms of quality it IS sort of like arguing there's any form of general scaling in Overwatch!
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The Pokémon GO Tour is today, getcher asses out and catch some Pokémon!!
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Damn I had to fix the Smash Bros Pokémon profiles...
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Btw anyone playing Pocket here?
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Literally just pulled the Arceus immersive EX
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Congrats!
Personally, I'm avoidant of Pocket, but feel free to go along with it if you want if that's what you like.
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Eh, fair enough.
They seem pretty similar to me.
That's just how it is. We can't ignore vital parts of their kits just because the pages would be really long.
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I've discussed it with Agnaa off-site, and there's nothing confirming proper multipliers for stat changes (say, Agility, Speed Boost) outside data mining, so those likely will be scrapped unless somebody has an official scan talking about them with more than a vague "raises Speed" or similar. Additionally there's concerns on how exponential the logic for priority stacking can get, add to that there being no in-lore talk of stuff with +4 priority or more (Protect, Helping Hand, but correct me if I'm wrong), and in total I don't think that priority is going to be as buffed as I originally wanted to propose.
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PMD has them
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ShockingPsychic
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Pokémon on the wiki deeply confuses me so I try not to touch it BUT I am interested in the issues regarding protagonist profiles. I've been working on a profile for Ethan on-and-off for like, two years lol
My plan was to give him everything he can get within the game, minus trading and maaaybe the Arceus event. We give literally every other video game protag everything they can get throughout the game, so I'm hoping that isn't a controversial take lol
I would like to hear about the current/proposed standards though
My plan was to give him everything he can get within the game, minus trading and maaaybe the Arceus event. We give literally every other video game protag everything they can get throughout the game, so I'm hoping that isn't a controversial take lol
I would like to hear about the current/proposed standards though
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Quite sure that having Arceus in HGSS leads to a whole subplot to get a member of the Creation Trio, so that'd be totally something within Ethan's kit.
Trading is also fair game per the whole deal with the Entralink, plus it's impossible to complete the Pokedex in all core series games without that. The same by extension also applies to transfers from past generations (and future ones when it comes to the Switch games bar LGPE, plus Gen 1-2 and the Time Capsule).
Trading is also fair game per the whole deal with the Entralink, plus it's impossible to complete the Pokedex in all core series games without that. The same by extension also applies to transfers from past generations (and future ones when it comes to the Switch games bar LGPE, plus Gen 1-2 and the Time Capsule).
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ShockingPsychic
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Makes sense, so we can give them EVERYTHING everything, gotcha.
I did read something talking about how DLC/non-base game content was non-canon, but I highly disagree and so do most people, so I think the Arceus/Celebi events would be fair game.
I did find my old Ethan sandbox, but it's super outdated and not as completed as I remembered it being. I'll probably start from scratch
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Do note that RBY and GSC are the only core series games with no proper transfer support, at least until Gen 7 with the 3DS re-release, meaning that unlike other generations their stuff isn't usable for Gen 3-6 playable trainer profiles, and given Pokemon Bank will barf out imported Pokemon that originally released as event ones for RBY and GSC (say, Lovely Kiss Nidoking or Rapid Spin Golem), content exclusive to the original releases of Gen 1 and 2 do not carry over to Gen 7 (the one that first got compatibility out of Bank and the 3DS re-release) and above.
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They're hardly 'vital parts' of the kits when we dont actually know and just make up what Pokemon/strategies/items they decide to use. Every playthrough is different, but for Pokemon although you can scale their physicals, you cant concretely say that they have access to all these pokemon (even if they did, they'd be restricted to six). Theres no point documenting it
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Then tell people to not be lazy ***** in matches and to select the Pokémon and items used for the team in a note. Not that hard.
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If you have to desperately insert yourself into the conversation, then at least get the point ffs. No one finds you quirky. Take those 'matches' to the FC/OC wiki or smthn
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I dunno Jinx, as long as we aren't using non-canon shit and actually have profiles for every obtainable Pokémon in the region, I'd say go wild.
Oh, and also have someone make a blog as to what each moves haxes actually are.
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Nah, I'll follow the thread.
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I think giving the protagonists every obtainable Pokémon is just as fair as giving a typical rpg hero every weapon/item/spell in their game. That'sthe standard for Baldur's Gate, Persona, SMT, Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest... We don't need to arbitrarily decide what is and isn't canon because it's all canon.
The profiles will be huge, but so what? If you don't want to make them, someone else can. Not a big deal at all
The profiles will be huge, but so what? If you don't want to make them, someone else can. Not a big deal at all
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Well theres a reason why they havent been made thus far... And now theres like, 30+ of them lol. Are we saying the boys and girls are the same too or different??
Yh but despite the 'typical rpg hero', Pokemon and its powers all come from the Pokemon the character uses, not their own power. And theres a limit to only 6 at a time. While most of those come from natural progression and story elements, theres barely any actual evidence for what the character can actually use, other than ig story-given pokemon such as Lucario in XY. Even with starters, you can only reasonably choose one for a team.
If you use it for matches, you essentially just have to make up a character and a six-team for them, but based on what exactly? Your own playthrough as a kid? Feels more like its just gonna be used to project smthn that can be done on an FC/OC battle thread onto the main wiki. Even aside from that, what use is there for a page that just lists like, 150+ Pokemon and all their abilities at a time when those pokemon can just each get separate profiles.
All you'd be able to scale them to is 'Beat the champion' or smthn. And then the rest is literally just making stuff up about them as they go along. It isnt like Joker,, hwo actually has a character outside of being the playable silent protag with a direct ability that says they can use all personas.
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I'm one step ahead, but it'll take months before this is done
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Because I haven't been here until now haha
There actually are some profiles for Red and Elio, but they aren't up to standard
I think the easiest option would be to do "The Player (Pokémon Heart Gold and Soul Silver)" etc etc, but I think splitting the protags by gender could also work (even if the profiles would be a copy/paste with the name and gender changed)
This isn't always the case, look at Persona or SMT, or Baldur's Gate companions/summons, or Final Fantasy summons. We give FF protags access to optional summons and spells
The fact that I can open up Pokemon HG and catch a Dunsparce rn proves that Ethan can have a Dunsparce, lol. This goes for literally everything in their kit
If you'd want, yeah. It's not like this makes Ethan or anyone else an OC, anyone can replicate it within the game.
They're the main protagonists of the games they appear in, that's pretty important. Everyone can scale to them and vice versa. They have the most screen time and the most feats of any characters in the series.
This sounds really weird. They have the most feats of any character in the series, they beat all the Gym Leaders, Legendries, wild Pokémon, evil teams...
And you wouldn't have to 'make up' anything. You'd just use the things you see in-game, like any other character ever
I'd argue that the protags do have characters. In SM/USUM, they're the new kid on the block who goes on an adventure, and you cannot change that aspect of them. They are totally meant to be a stand-in, but only to an extent.
And the protags do have the explicit ability to catch every Pokémon lol, that's one of the main goals of the games (even if many fail to do so)
I personally have little interest in doing anything but making the Ethan profile atm (except that Scolipede blog I made and forgot about...)
This doesn't mean I'll go against the rules or regulations, I am just not terribly interested in anything else
So really, it'd just be me prioritizing profiles like this over general clean-up or anime profiles. Everyone else can do whatever they wanna
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Can't we split the Pokemon available between Standard and Optional Equipment (for the lack of a better term)? The criteria for who goes where could be discussed down the line. And as Reaper said, add a note on the profiles specifying that for VS threads 6 Pokemon should be selected since that's a standard rule in the verse.
Another possibility, which I personally don't like very much, is go the Ben 10 route and unless the character has a standard team by themselves, simply make a profile for the character and specify which Pokemon they can catch or something, given most have their own profiles.
Another possibility, which I personally don't like very much, is go the Ben 10 route and unless the character has a standard team by themselves, simply make a profile for the character and specify which Pokemon they can catch or something, given most have their own profiles.
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I did think about this, yes. For example, Ralsei from Deltarune (another RPG) has their base weapons as Standard Equipment, and their upgraded/optional weapons as Optional Equipment. I do think this could apply to our protags, list the starters and any other mandatory pokemon (Castform, Rayquaza, Reshiram/Zekrom) as Standard and the optional ones (Pidgey, Donphan, etc) as Optional
Possible, yes. Need to get thoughts though.
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I'd think the Ben 10 route would be best, if it wasn't for trainers by nature also adding TMs, HMs, TRs and Tutor moves as a factor. If anything, it may be ideal to add TMs, HMs, TRs and Tutor moves to the species profiles, but as a separate section and having a note on all profiles that such moves are not obtainable without a trainer.
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Maybe keep in the species profile as standard abilities all the moves the Pokémon learns by level up, alongside Nature and Abilities (unless special ones that require an event or something of the sort) and as optional everything that needs a trainer proper (Machines, Tutors, Breeding, Events, etc)?
Similar how Standard and Optional Equipment are handled.
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Tell that to basically every RPG franchise ever.
