I can live with that. Again. Seems acceptable given the standard changes. I will take that any day before I ever consider the DW=HW. Namely since we have the evidence that these dimensions are as big as the HW individually.
We can change the 2-C feat to 13 Universes
This does not stop the HW being infinite too, y'all need to stop in fixating that it must be finite in order to be smaller.
Should be latter cuz the container argument started from those space times and so far no one argued against them (afaik)
As far as this thread's goal is concerned, yes, do go ahead and put me on the approval.
Right, the blog does indeed mention it.
What do you think (should be 13 given that I missed the void thing in the blog)?
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I mention for everyone else here, they gave me the impression that they think the HW must be finite in size.
No, we were just saying the DW>HW. I suppose I was arguing somewhat clumsily given the comparison was that the HW while infinite is finite in comparison to the DW. However, given current standards that kind of argumentation is friggin pointless on this site unless you can specify infinite timelines directly. My words simply didn't catch up with the disappointing reality of the situation. I apologize for my carelessness in this sense.
I'd however argue this in a next CRT, so that the 4-As would become High 3-A off shaking the human world.
More like Low 2-C for shaking the human world or am I missing something here?
No, because you cannot shake time, you can only shake the space within, aka 3-A or High 3-A.
Ah another one of those VSBWisms I see. I just love those.
Can u tell me what's beastheads feat?
Profile only accepts beastheads shaking the space
I mean, you cannot shake a space-time, it makes literally no sense.
I get what you mean I just have no idea how vsbw goes about it so just said only space shaking was accepted.
World = Universe
And universe is space-time and this is low 2-C's definition:
So i believe shaking the universe is affecting HW which is 4-D and here it says that it can be any 4-D structures
So just affecting it might make you low 2-C by definitions. Where stated that it needs time to be shaked? I just brought the wiki itself's definitions and i think it's fine for them to be low 2-C
It got debunked that they are same size. Demon World is definitely larger. So if you wanna debate about how much DW is larger, yeah i think it's fine to make another thread
We do not assume that destroying a universe is Low 2-C unless we have evidence of time being involved too. We'd have a lot more Low 2-Cs on this wiki otherwise.
Shaking is not "significantly affecting".
No, but you're still on the same relative scale dimensionally (i.e. you don't suddenly become 2D for shaking a 3D space rather then destroy it and you don't suddenly become Tier 2 if you shake a Low 1-C cosmology). Regardless, the staff have spoken so it doesn't matter unless someone makes a CRT against this standard.
Well HW versus DW size doesn't matter at least per one equaling the other. Clover's proposition on that has been ignored flat out. Only the 2-A rejection in favor of a flat 2-C has been accepted from the votes in favor as things stand.
It always was, if you were not aware, it's not my fault.
This makes no sense lmao, as this is not a 4-D space, but a 3+1D continuum, you cannot shake time axes at all.
3+1D continuum is essentially a 4D space by function via relativity. Additionally, by your logic if a character can't shake the time axes if we shake an entire 2-A multiverse so such a feat wouldn't be tier 2 (that doesn't compute to me)?!! What do we do about verses that go beyond just temporal axes, can you shake the 5th dimension in a verse where the 4th dimension is consistently 3+1 dimensions of space-time???!!! I mean the fact that it's a higher dimension with respect to space alone means it can be effected like any dimension, you just need enough power. Additionally, what is the difference between destruction and shaking beyond simple degrees. If a character can finger flick a time-space continuum out of existence they're still using physicality to do so. Not that my rant matters because the staff have spoken so who cares.
Nah i was aware of this. Im just saying that your words have inconsistence
It's a VSBWism. You learn to live with them. However, I'd argue corruption would be stronger in effect.
What about sustaining? Is it more effective than shaking?
Sustaining would be more significant because shaking a planet doesn't necessarily mean destroying it or its inverse, sustaining its very existence on power alone. However, I'd personally say shaking falls into significantly affecting things, but again the staff have spoken. Nothing I can do unless a CRT is made to counter the standard.
Nah. The +1D is not a spatial axis at all, but a temporal one. Please go to school.
Exactly. They'd be High 3-A.
Depends on if that 5th axis encompasses the 4-D space-time continuum. For example, in Gravity Falls shaking the Nightmare Realm is Low 1-C because of that being a Brane that encompasses the 4-D space-times as a infinitesimal part of its physical self.
Depends on what you mean by corruption.
OK i think im done
Calm down on the inflammatory language and clear subtle digs brother. That's not a good way to argue if you're familiar with the fallacy that's related to. You yourself state that the 5th axis if it encompasses the infintesimal part of its physical self then it'd get Low 1-C, but the fact that it can hold the temporal axis means the temporal axis is something that can be held and like the 5th axis that can arguably be physically interacted with if a character does the feat so too can such logic be applied to the 4th axis underneath. Again, not that it matters until a CRT is made. This is no more then a friendly exchange of ideas rn.
Its temporal axis makes it 4D.
No, it's a just a normal universe.
Which is not something assumed by default. Just because Universes in fiction can be infinite, does not mean that every fictional universe is.
No one assumes every universe is infinite. Context will determine things, however, there are some constants like how a universe+dimension of time is 4D unless context is specific that for example if the space is 4D+temporal axis you get 5D. In short, there's imo no valid reason for the shaking of an entire universe regarded as a continuum in a particular verse consistently to be limited to the shaking of the spatial range alone because the temporal axis is part of that conversation. If you can break it with your fists or hold it in a larger space it shouldn't be out of the question to be able to shake it either with your fists. Ultimately, this standard just comes across to me as being unnecessarily obtuse when we can already grant interaction with the temporal axis in destruction even with bare fists alone. However, I'll try not to stay focused on this topic so as to not derail the thread despite it being a genuinely interesting topic. I may consider making a CRT for it down the road if I'm feeling particularly cute on a random morning. Thank you for the wonderful idea @StrymULTRA.
