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Top 15 Strongest Characters for Every Tier

Remove Sonic the Hedgehog from Low 2-C, both his Game and Archie versions are 2-C
 
Iamunanimousinthat said:
Sadly it was removed, but I am trying to get it back
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I mean, aight, I don't think it really changed my answer, since Homura still has infinite duration timestop and time rewind Moon doesn't have answers too in her first two keys (also bar the immortality I don't really see anything in those keys that would be changed by stars seeds getting upgraded)
 
EL_xWatcher1234x said:
What about the rest ?
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Lob Corp people already have 4-D layered hax so they aren't getting higher than them
I deadass don't see anything that stops him from losing to the AoC or Homuliliy, and the latter just becomes 2-A and nukes the multiverse, while he can't actually reach the latter and gets haxed or AP'd out from there
 
AlphaOmegaV1 said:
Again, never said it's an insta-win. I was just saying arguing that his passives will work. Also while he himself isn't immortal, but he's got a bit of a Nightmare from Soulcalibur deal going on where if you kill him, this guy comes out. Not trying to argue just pointing it out as a fact.
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Should Alvis also help? He can grant immortality to Shulk to incon.
 
For 3-B, it turns out that Soul King doesn't really have any 4-D shenanigans, nor are the majority of the layers accepted for the verse yet. @Deceived3596 said that WW can be above them, since they don't have any thing against him yet.

Idk jack about Sephiroth, just that Final Fantasy has a **** ton of hax, and that Clive is the best FF character.
 
Rikimarox2 said:
For 3-B, it turns out that Soul King doesn't really have any 4-D shenanigans, nor are the majority of the layers accepted for the verse yet. @Deceived3596 said that WW can be above them, since they don't have any thing against him yet.

Idk jack about Sephiroth, just that Final Fantasy has a **** ton of hax, and that Clive is the best FF character.
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FFXVI is actively being worked on and there are a few profiles ready to go, so Clive will be coming soon.
 
Rikimarox2 said:
Does he have any passives or thought-based stuff? Like, if he doesn't have any of those, I'd assume WW can still defeat him with just pure AP?

If he does have passive/thought-based stuff, then GGs. Gotta wait till I make the UES for the verse.
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I don't he has any passives, but I'm pretty sure he has some thought-based hax.

You'll have to ask more knowledgeable people like @TartaChocholate to get a better answer.

By the way, can Wang Wei kill Sephiroth? Sephiroth has High-Godly Regeneration (granted, I'm not sure if it's combat-applicable or not).
 
Rikimarox2 said:
Forget it, dude seems to have AE on the level of 4-D, and I haven't made a UES 4-D stuff for Wang Wei stuff, and he doesn't have any 4-D shtick aside from his fate stuff.
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Fair enough. I forgot Sephiroth had Abstrace Existence.

(He's also a bit outdated since stuff from Final Fantasy VII: Rebirth hasn't been added to his profile yet).
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Though, for 2-C, I assume 8th spot and above have 5-D stuff and above?
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I honestly don't know.
 
Rikimarox2 said:
Forget it, dude seems to have AE on the level of 4-D, and I haven't made a UES 4-D stuff for Wang Wei stuff, and he doesn't have any 4-D shtick aside from his fate stuff.

Though, for 2-C, I assume 8th spot and above have 5-D stuff and above?
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True Neron exist across the Hell, which is 1-A outside of Material world, within the Sphere of Gods (the verse is getting updating, already accepted the cosmology change just @VeryGoofyToddler2 is taking his time), same apply to Darksied, just change Hell for Apokalis

Also Wang wei has passive?
 
Oliver_de_jesus said:
True Neron exist across the Hell, which is 1-A outside of Material world, within the Sphere of Gods (the verse is getting updating, already accepted the cosmology change just @VeryGoofyToddler2 is taking his time), same apply to Darksied, just change Hell for Apokalis
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So like, impossible to kill unless WW has 1-A range?
Oliver_de_jesus said:
Also Wang wei has passive?
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Not yet, although idk if I need a CRT to say if something is passive or not, as even on the profile I haven't mentioned if it was passive or not. But Aura should be passive, considering the Aura is something that naturally is unleashed most of the time, and characters have to intentionally restrict it near friends.

Said Aura completely restricts someone from doing anything, with their mind and soul getting destroyed, not even capable of even thinking when not destroyed, and is capable of inducing death.
 
Rikimarox2 said:
So like, impossible to kill unless WW has 1-A range?
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Yeah, you need a way to incapacite them or make them give up
Rikimarox2 said:
Not yet, although idk if I need a CRT to say if something is passive or not, as even on the profile I haven't mentioned if it was passive or not. But Aura should be passive, considering the Aura is something that naturally is unleashed most of the time, and characters have to intentionally restrict it near friends.

Said Aura completely restricts someone from doing anything, with their mind and soul getting destroyed, not even capable of even thinking when not destroyed, and is capable of inducing death.
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In that case, he couldn't even incapacitate Neron's physical avatar before he BFR WW.
 
Oliver_de_jesus said:
Yeah, you need a way to incapacite them or make them give up

In that case, he couldn't even incapacitate Neron's physical avatar before he BFR WW.
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I gotta ask, is his fate, powers, and stuff all 1-A as well? And I assume the BFR is thought-based, and first thing he does?

If so, even assuming thought-based, WW's thoughts and shtick are like, 3 million times his combat speed. I don't see what stops an Aura incap to a seal, or just permanent incap.
 
Rikimarox2 said:
I gotta ask, is his fate, powers, and stuff all 1-A as well? And I assume the BFR is thought-based, and first thing he does?
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No all of his powers, but mainly his existence/immortality and Range-BFR/teleportation

He use his teleportation even just to prove a point, whenever he's in trouble he gets rid of heroes by sending them out of his realm or to his kingdom, his introduction to comics was calling villains through candle-shaped talismans to his dimension in order to have deals with them, one of his first moves is to transport his targets to hell in the form of a false heaven (one of many as was the case with Richards to convince him to join his force) to create a perfect life for them in exchange for a deal (This initially worked with Superman for a time where he lived his childhood until his adulthood in that false heaven several times), when Superman rejected his deals Neron threw him out of creation into the void
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If so, even assuming thought-based, WW's thoughts and shtick are like, 3 million times his combat speed. I don't see what stops an Aura incap to a seal, or just permanent incap.
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Now you deal with one Neron, what about the rest that can affect the mortal realm while they are all in Hell? with all the time of the world to just project a copy of WW and whatever he does to it, reflect to WW
 
So wait, he has multiple copies of himself that are 1-A distance away from WW, can BFR them, and can copy the characters themselves?

Are the characters above Neron 1-A+ or smth? Because from the looks of it, I don't see what stops Neron from just bfring people 1-A distance while chilling in his realm.

Also, I concede that WW gets defeated, as he doesn't have 1-A stuff yet.
 
Rikimarox2 said:
Forget it, dude seems to have AE on the level of 4-D, and I haven't made a UES 4-D stuff for Wang Wei stuff, and he doesn't have any 4-D shtick aside from his fate stuff.

Though, for 2-C, I assume 8th spot and above have 5-D stuff and above?
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no only 3rd spot has 5D hax.
 
Rikimarox2 said:
So wait, he has multiple copies of himself that are 1-A distance away from WW, can BFR them, and can copy the characters themselves?
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Yeah, the whole Superman: The Man of Tomorrow Vol 1 #15, is Superman's soul being trapped in Hell with Neron while simultaneously he is outside with Clack's body with him yapping about having multiples version of himself across hell and yes, he copy characters or just making Illusions of JL to beat your ass

tbh, he is outdate, have to retake this old sandbox and make his profile better, you can have his place until i finished
 
AlphaOmegaV1 said:
I never said it's an insta win, but it makes it so nothing is going to befall him like death or incapacitation and none of those people you mentioned have resistance to it in Low 7-C. Also said Fate Hax is Tier 1 so can Destiny get by that? He's also got Paralysis+Powernull, Deconstruction with every hit, Resistance Negging, and Passive Smurf Precog and Clairvoyance that ties into Fate Hax which will let him know any and everything Destiny characters try to do to him If 2nd place is 1-A then fine, though the verse page does not mention this. He should be 3rd.
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Will fix this hopefully in the coming weeks.

Fate hax that prevents death is ironically the same thing Suimei has. From a vs standpoint I suppose Lefille will be the most op Low 7-C from Mahou? She has passive 1-A powernull, the others will be active 1-A power null.

Though I suppose Suimei in some ways would be most broken, yea the power null isn't passive, but he has bunch of 1-A stuff such as probability manipulation, holy manipulation/purification, mind manipulation, absorption etc.

1-A being/thing, which prevents him from dying, and makes him dazzling to others, probably makes him the hardest to beat in the Low 7-C's.

But anyway working on fixing the profiles.
 
Oliver_de_jesus said:
Yeah, the whole Superman: The Man of Tomorrow Vol 1 #15, is Superman's soul being trapped in Hell with Neron while simultaneously he is outside with Clack's body with him yapping about having multiples version of himself across hell and yes, he copy characters or just making Illusions of JL to beat your ass

tbh, he is outdate, have to retake this old sandbox and make his profile better, you can have his place until i finished
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I mean, Neron is one thing, but unfortunately there is Darkseid and the other character.

Though, just to make sure, what are the Epic Battle Fantasy characters shtick? Was wondering how they are above these dudes.
 
Rikimarox2 said:
I mean, Neron is one thing, but unfortunately there is Darkseid and the other character.

Though, just to make sure, what are the Epic Battle Fantasy characters shtick? Was wondering how they are above these dudes.
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DC comics has had more cosmology revisions than Goku has wigs, the Peak sphere of Gods was at Low 1C once, it was around when both Darkseid and Neron were added, Epic Battle Fantasy had at that time Hax's passive plot at low 1-C level thanks to an entity that guides them to victory, do the sum. More recently it was updated to 1-B and now to 1-A
 
Well, I assume it's fine for Wang Wei to take their spot then, if they are outdated.

EBF seems to have some plot stuff, but I'd wait for further explanation on it and if it is a guaranteed win, and whether it could control affect NEP stuff.

As for Kamen Rider, is their plot manip also passive? Since based on what I'm reading, that part alone is what seems like a problem, everything else is resisted if it's just 4-D.
 
Celestial_Pegasus said:
Will fix this hopefully in the coming weeks.

Fate hax that prevents death is ironically the same thing Suimei has. From a vs standpoint I suppose Lefille will be the most op Low 7-C from Mahou? She has passive 1-A powernull, the others will be active 1-A power null.

Though I suppose Suimei in some ways would be most broken, yea the power null isn't passive, but he has bunch of 1-A stuff such as probability manipulation, holy manipulation/purification, mind manipulation, absorption etc.

1-A being/thing, which prevents him from dying, and makes him dazzling to others, probably makes him the hardest to beat in the Low 7-C's.

But anyway working on fixing the profiles.
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Thanks for letting me know
 
Rikimarox2 said:
EBF seems to have some plot stuff, but I'd wait for further explanation on it and if it is a guaranteed win, and whether it could control affect NEP stuff.

As for Kamen Rider, is their plot manip also passive? Since based on what I'm reading, that part alone is what seems like a problem, everything else is resisted if it's just 4-D.
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The plot manip for the main 5 is 4D and passive yes, it can't affect NEP because nobody in verse has like NEP or at least relevant NEP there

It isn't passive, but it is entirely thought based (and is actually 7D with a **** ton more hax), I also don't remember if the KR physiology is combat applicable, but if it is its 1-A type 8 and res
 
deonment said:
I also don't remember if the KR physiology is combat applicable, but if it is its 1-A type 8 and res
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The immortality may or may not be combat applicable. The reliant on the concept of justice and evil works if the opponent is evil and presented as a threat to humans (either a significant amount or the whole humanity), then yes, they can instantly respawn, but for other scenarios then it's not applicable. The 1-A immortality is being reliant to the audience which I don't think it's applicable for most of the time.

Though Saber is most likely to be upgraded so he won't be 2-C for too long.
 
deonment said:
The plot manip for the main 5 is 4D and passive yes, it can't affect NEP because nobody in verse has like NEP or at least relevant NEP there
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How does the plot manip, and can like having passive layered 4-D fate help against it? Because if the character like directly manipulates the plot so that abilities don't work or smth, then that'd be a problem. Though idk how it interacts with concepts, info type 2, etc... and whether it can prevent Wang Wei from just going NEP.
deonment said:
It isn't passive, but it is entirely thought based (and is actually 7D with a **** ton more hax), I also don't remember if the KR physiology is combat applicable, but if it is its 1-A type 8 and res
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I'd assume all of their other shtick is 4-D? Because I think with WW's thought speed, he could pull off his stuff before Kamen Rider has the chance. Though I guess having a match would be the better choice here.
 
Rikimarox2 said:
How does the plot manip, and can like having passive layered 4-D fate help against it? Because if the character like directly manipulates the plot so that abilities don't work or smth, then that'd be a problem. Though idk how it interacts with concepts, info type 2, etc... and whether it can prevent Wang Wei from just going NEP.
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It's basically just the player being a canon thing, and as such the player will always bring them back and ensure their victory, that type of stuff
And yeah, it can work against 4D fate hax, and in fact, to list out what it can help them win against Godcat and the Devourer, the former whose profile speaks for itself, and the latter does just have info manip, ee, and fate manip in his toolset in addition to being able to mess with Godcat and Akron, so yeah
Though whether or not it can stop him from going NEP is eh, could, couldn't, I don't remember if it's argued to actively mess with the minds/actions of others (but I could see it doing so considering they managed to stop Godcat from going omnicidal in the end)
Oliver_de_jesus said:
In 1-A, i know that Warhammer is 3-4 Layers but everyone below them?
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Warhammer 1-As are 3-4 layers yeah, though characters such as Ynnead are even higher if memory serves me correctly
 
deonment said:
It's basically just the player being a canon thing, and as such the player will always bring them back and ensure their victory, that type of stuff
And yeah, it can work against 4D fate hax, and in fact, to list out what it can help them win against Godcat and the Devourer, the former whose profile speaks for itself, and the latter does just have info manip, ee, and fate manip in his toolset in addition to being able to mess with Godcat and Akron, so yeah
Though whether or not it can stop him from going NEP is eh, could, couldn't, I don't remember if it's argued to actively mess with the minds/actions of others (but I could see it doing so considering they managed to stop Godcat from going omnicidal in the end)
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The whole player being a canon thing makes it seem as if the Player is just controlling the characters and is actively trying to make them win, but I doubt it's that simple. I assume the Player character actively manipulates the plot to make the characters win? If so, then fair enough, I guess then it depends on if it actively changes the mind of others. If not, then I can WW just going NEP and see if that's enough to stop plot from affecting him or smth. Though, that concept type 1 stuff seems really weird, I assume there are other characters with it and as such, Godcat gets it?
 
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