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Zenless Zone Zero Discussion Thread

Good that we have the forum up. Now I can post up the latest of the main story chapter.

Chapter 5: A Storm of Falling Stars



As like before, Sooshirohl already listed them out when C5 first came out so I'll repost it here with my comment for convenience + number the time stamps.

 
Wait, isn't this just for gameplay? We have some limitation for the gameplay things to be included as part of their abilities, just saying
i've just been following what the other people here have been doing for their profiles so if there is then i wouldn't really know about it, can anyone else confirm?
 
i've just been following what the other people here have been doing for their profiles so if there is then i wouldn't really know about it, can anyone else confirm?
I can’t really confirm but I’m pretty sure I’ve seen pages in other series count such things and I don’t really think there’s a issue with including them in ZZZ, enemies have attribute resistances and Zhu/S11 4/6 MC only provides a limited way to ignore a certain % of that resistance.
 
I can’t really confirm but I’m pretty sure I’ve seen pages in other series count such things and I don’t really think there’s a issue with including them in ZZZ, enemies have attribute resistances and Zhu/S11 4/6 MC only provides a limited way to ignore a certain % of that resistance.
Yeah I don't get why ZZZ has to be an exception when HSR, Kingdom Hearts, Genshin Impact, Dragalia Lost, and Granblue Fantasy among some others on here that make mention of % this and that or using terms that sound very "gameplay-like".
 


Gonna do this real quick and it's very easy since there's not a whole lot of notable stuff said and done.

Here's the latest of the special episodes, Astra-Nomical Moment

(6:05) Astra's Ether-weapon (empowered by her voice) allows her to casually defeat several standard/normal Ethereals.
(17:00) Evelyn snatches the disc from Astra's hands despite her looking right at it.
(1:04:12) Evelyn uses her wires to pull some metal...thing down.
(1:18:00) When one of the stages jets goes out, Astra uses her voice+ether weapon to power it up in keeping it afloat.
(1:18:20) The Terror Raptor thing shoots out a strong electric surge that depowers all of the ether-powered jets.
(1:18:45~1:20:40) Astra and Evelyn both fight and defeat the Terror Raptor (?) mech.
(1:20:42) Evelyn comes in front of Astra to shield her from being shot at.
(1:27:53) Even with the backup Ether-generators are activated, it takes Astra using her singing power plus everyone else alongside her to help stabilize it long enough for it to safely land back onto a tower.
 
Just gone done doing this for the front page.

I figured that with how much of a hassle it is to go back to any of the comments and how much they can flooded over time quite fast, I decided to link the comments of what I posted and gathered to put them on the front page.

It's naturally incomplete with the game still very young and developing so more stuff will be added onto it overtime.
 
did we have gotten slacking kekw
IDK.

I just know that seems to be more and more of a thing now than however it was back then.

To be fair, I WAS hesitant to add anything that might sound gameplay mechanics like but if those verses and any other are doing them without anyone having a problem, then I can't see how ZZZ should be an exception.

Unless someone else were to bring it up in a thread and just kill off any gameplay mechanic usage on the profiles, which would really trim down so much of it if it happens xD
 
Rampant Brute calc (2 MJ, Class K)

Unfortunately, Public Security really does have weak AP feats but this is still the most impressive LS featwe've seen from the verse
 
Rampant Brute calc (2 MJ, Class K)

Unfortunately, Public Security really does have weak AP feats but this is still the most impressive LS featwe've seen from the verse
Next to the likes of DEB's train car ad ol tanker lifting feat, and I guess the Belobog work machines lifting feat of those containers.

But yeah the PubSec gang is really lacking on the AP feats to match the others lol.

Cunning Hares fought DEB, Belobog fought hat Sacrifice + machine fused Corrupted, Victoria HouseKeep fought two pretty powerful Ethereals, SoC fought Corrupted Pompey, and Section 6 fought Sacrifice Bringer even after he went through multiple boosts of...wtf those serums he took.
 
Next to the likes of DEB's train car ad ol tanker lifting feat, and I guess the Belobog work machines lifting feat of those containers.
Those are only Class 100, this one is pretty reliably Class K so it has that going at least
 
Those are only Class 100, this one is pretty reliably Class K so it has that going at least
So shall I put the DEB and by extension Cunning Hares at Class K, ain’t no way an extremely powerful unique Ethereal known for it’s immense raw strength has lower LS than some human thug.

It’s Class 100 feat was while it was notably weakened from the battle with the Cunning Hares and in the process of recovering from being hit by a train anyway.
 
So shall I put the DEB and by extension Cunning Hares at Class K, ain’t no way an extremely powerful unique Ethereal known for it’s immense raw strength has lower LS than some human thug.

It’s Class 100 feat was while it was notably weakened from the battle with the Cunning Hares and in the process of recovering from being hit by a train anyway.
would that not give all the other agents class K by extension? i mean the DEB is definitely stronger and considering we've been giving class 100 to all the agents who can parry attacks i don't see why we couldn't give them the upgrade
 
It’s Class 100 feat was while it was notably weakened from the battle with the Cunning Hares and in the process of recovering from being hit by a train anyway.
This is a good point to consider.

DEB had fought the Cunning Hares (pre Nekomata recruit) in both its base and enhanced Ether form, and had just got rammed (owo) by a full-speeding train hitting it ontop of an oil tanker slamming it against some debris.

Razor's a tough thug, no doubt to that. But it shouldn't be THAT far superior to a strong Ethereal like the DEB Ethereal, especially (as I have to repeat this somehow to everyone who should know this) is not a normal Ethereal.
 
strong Ethereal like the DEB Ethereal, especially (as I have to repeat this somehow to everyone who should know this) is not a normal Ethereal.
Yep, it’s an exceptionally powerful unique Ethereal that is notoriously known and is a major boss tier enemy, in comparison even the most powerful variant of Dulluhan (Notorious) and Thracian are just mini boss tier.

Given I think it’s canonically the only DEB we’ve encountered, I wonder if it was originally a highly notable person like Overlord Pompey (Corrupted Pompey) and the famous twin ballet sisters (Twin Marionettes)
 
would that not give all the other agents class K by extension? i mean the DEB is definitely stronger and considering we've been giving class 100 to all the agents who can parry attacks i don't see why we couldn't give them the upgrade
Belobog (Via parrying the Unknown Corruption Complex), SoC (Possibly comparable to Billy) and Section 6 (Currently the strongest Faction and can parry attacks from Enhanced Bringer)

Don’t know about Victoria Housekeeping and Evelyn
 
I can calculate the dead end butchers lifting strength, I just more or less need the weight and length of its weapon and how fast it was swinging it
 
So shall I put the DEB and by extension Cunning Hares at Class K, ain’t no way an extremely powerful unique Ethereal known for it’s immense raw strength has lower LS than some human thug.
Tbf said human thug is wearing enhancements used for construction so he'd be equivalent to like, construction machines lol
 
Belobog (Via parrying the Unknown Corruption Complex), SoC (Possibly comparable to Billy) and Section 6 (Currently the strongest Faction and can parry attacks from Enhanced Bringer)

Don’t know about Victoria Housekeeping and Evelyn
that makes sense. section 6 is self explanatory, and i do think belobog and SoC work for it too as i think both the UCC and pompey should be reasonably comparable to the DEB in strength, if not maybe slightly weaker. but considering most of belobog is already crazy strong anyways lifting strength wise and that every SoC member is most definitely comparable to billy i think it checks out

victoria housekeeping is a bit weirder, i don't think the twin marionettes are on the same level of physicality as the other enhanced bosses but if you wanna compare them to the cunning hares seeing as how lycaon seemed confident in dispatching them and/or section 6 as they were able to fight and assist section 6 during chapter 5 then i guess you could make an argument for it. evelyn i don't think should get that high lifting strength though, i don't think anything she's shown really justifies that as of now
 
Should we not at least have one profile made on the wikia by now?

Even if calc's weren't involved, I feel like the safest ones we can post are like PubSec lol.

The verse page is still up, surprisingly enough. But I'm kinda thinking we should pull the trigger and just do one or two xD
 
You absolutely can just attach the calcs and wait for someone to approve them. I'll see if I can get someone to at least approve some core calcs
 
Should we not at least have one profile made on the wikia by now?

Even if calc's weren't involved, I feel like the safest ones we can post are like PubSec lol.

The verse page is still up, surprisingly enough. But I'm kinda thinking we should pull the trigger and just do one or two xD
i mean we literally have all of the cunning hares, belobog, victoria housekeeping, and most of pubsec done already lol
 
I'll hold off for Jane bec I think she needs some stuff but I think yours looks fine
 
We might as well just post them now and see what happens for those that have the calcs on them that isn't approved because clearly, none of the calc group people don't seem to have the time to look at them at least.

And it's not like any of them are some MHS speed or city to continent scale AP calc feats either so idk what's the hold up besides life kicking their butts (which is to everyone in their own ways, but I digress).
 
We might as well just post them now and see what happens for those that have the calcs on them that isn't approved because clearly, none of the calc group people don't seem to have the time to look at them at least.

And it's not like any of them are some MHS speed or city to continent scale AP calc feats either so idk what's the hold up besides life kicking their butts (which is to everyone in their own ways, but I digress)
if thats the case then ill happily post anbys profile rn
 

Finally glad to get this one out xD
 

That's another one, courtesy of @Woomica
 
alrighty, just finished uploading all my profiles so that's a lot of progress made on the verse page lol

 
We might as well just post them now and see what happens for those that have the calcs on them that isn't approved because clearly, none of the calc group people don't seem to have the time to look at them at least.
Before I post mine, could you add an Ethereal section on the verse page to link DEB, I’ll post him afterward then all the agents I have done.
 
alrighty, just finished uploading all my profiles so that's a lot of progress made on the verse page lol

 
Before I post mine, could you add an Ethereal section on the verse page to link DEB, I’ll post him afterward then all the agents I have done.
Sure, but there's really nothing stopping you from doing it and then the verse page being updated to reflect that after.

Though I did forget they're notable characters we can add so sure lol.
 
i just got messaged that actual calcs for 9-A needed to be added to the character profiles i posted and yet the calcs that were actually made still haven't been approved yet so i don't really know what they want
 
I don't know either, and it's not like it's any of our faults that no one of the calc group actually want to look at it.

I posted the calc's on the evaluation thread. Nothing.

One of you guys probably already messaged them on the calc to the calcer's a while back. Nothing.

And from what I saw just a little earlier, they got messaged again to check some more calcs. And if THAT gets nothing, idk what to even say on this.
 
Just link them anyway imo. Doing it will call attention to them anyway. We can also add a CRT to call attention to it
 
Pretty much.

Another thing is I don't see how controversial it is when they're very likely to reach 9-A regardless if we tried enough.

Even if we had to scale down the DEB to like some whatever Wall level (9-B), I'm pretty certain you can argue it to be 9-A in its fully active form for the fact it was hit dead on by a full speeding train (a set of carts of them I believe) + an oil tanker on top of it and that's 9-A worthy from what the reference page said if it was from being slammed into a wall which the DEB I think qualifies for it (it was hit into some debris but I think even that you can argue it would be like being slammed into a wall), and it still didn't die or go down for long.

This is also after it had just got into a lengthy fight of sorts with the Cunning Hares so it wasn't exactly at its fully healthy state either I would imagine.

And this is just for Chapter 1.

Chapter 2 you have the Belobog Gang first fighting off their 3 unique rogue machines (one of which has a demolition saw meant to help break down buildings and can bust through walls by moving through them, and another uses its pilebunker ram thing to knock down walls iirc), then later they fought the Sacrifice/Corrupted that merged with all of those machines and while they couldn't defeat it outright, they were strong enough to endure fighting it off until Koleda got her dad's machine to help even the odds.

If anything, 9-B or 9-A ZZZ doesn't matter to me so much as having calcs on them that, for whatever reason beyond just being too preoccupied with life (though fairly understandable if it's school or work related but even then...) just can't be even bothered to look at.

Then again, I DID first suggest we can go ahead and do whatever so it is on me in a way if things are gonna go south for something we just don't have control or approval on beyond just doing it (shrugs).
 
Tbf yeah, what you can do is just link References for Common Feats with the train collision feat attached, and then apply it to the whole verse. Canonically, agents scale roughly similarly in terms of durability because of simulations that pit them against strong opponents even if they canonically have not faced those opponents. We can work on linking the actual calcs down the line with CRTs and just say we're adding better clarification to the feats.
 
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