Would this be L1-A?

[LOTM_Historian]

Would you say an abstract realm, described as existing beyond and hierarchically higher than the physical world, lacking concepts of direction and distance, unrestricted by geographical limitations, and omnipresent throughout all of reality, is Low Outer?

Here are some scans for context.

 

[Vietthai96]

Likely 1-A

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Would you say an abstract realm, described as existing beyond and hierarchically higher than the physical world, lacking concepts of direction and distance, unrestricted by geographical limitations, and omnipresent throughout all of reality, is Low Outer?

Here are some scans for context.

No

 

[LOTM_Historian]

No

What’s ur reasoning for it not to be?

 

[Digital_Franz]

Would you say an abstract realm, described as existing beyond and hierarchically higher than the physical world, lacking concepts of direction and distance, unrestricted by geographical limitations, and omnipresent throughout all of reality, is Low Outer?

Here are some scans for context.

It is possible but more context is needed. It is said that "some" concepts are absent, but we do not know what about the concept of space and we do not know if the Spiritual world is absolutely superior to the concept of space or can encompass any extension of the concept of space. I am very bad at explaining.

 

[ZERGESS]

Would you say an abstract realm, described as existing beyond and hierarchically higher than the physical world, lacking concepts of direction and distance, unrestricted by geographical limitations, and omnipresent throughout all of reality, is Low Outer?

Here are some scans for context.

No, it's more like a distorted space since in spiritual world when you move left you will see your self moving right or back etc thats why one can easily lose theie way in spiritual world, there is still a concept of direction and distance, can you show some scans describing hierarchally higher than the physical world and what do you mean by unrestricted by geographical limitations and omnipresent throughout all reality? can you send some scans

 

[Vietthai96]

In the end, it is depend on context anyway

 

[LOTM_Historian]

No, it's more like a distorted space since in spiritual world when you move left you will see your self moving right or back etc thats why one can easily lose theie way in spiritual world, there is still a concept of direction and distance, can you show some scans describing hierarchally higher than the physical world and what do you mean by unrestricted by geographical limitations and omnipresent throughout all reality? can you send some scans

All your questions will be answered by actually clicking the link to the scans in my original post.

 

[ZERGESS]

No, it's more like a distorted space since in spiritual world when you move left you will see your self moving right or back etc thats why one can easily lose theie way in spiritual world, there is still a concept of direction and distance, can you show some scans describing hierarchally higher than the physical world and what do you mean by unrestricted by geographical limitations and omnipresent throughout all reality? can you send some sca

All your questions will be answered by actually clicking the link to the scans in my original post.

The scans are lacking to prove they are as what you've said

 

[LOTM_Historian]

The scans are lacking to prove they are as what you've said

I don't see how.

 

[LOTM_Historian]

It is possible but more context is needed. It is said that "some" concepts are absent, but we do not know what about the concept of space and we do not know if the Spiritual world is absolutely superior to the concept of space or can encompass any extension of the concept of space. I am very bad at explaining.

I’ll need to find a scan that specifically discusses the concept of space (though I doubt one exists, to be honest). However, it does repeatedly mention the absence of the concepts of directions and locations. Directions are spatial axes, i.e., spatial dimensionality.

Moreover, these scans are quite similar to the reasoning used for low outer tiering in the Warp from Warhammer 40k: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/The_Warp

anyways I'm going to bed for now, ill respond to stuff tomorrow

 

[ZERGESS]

All your questions will be answered by actually clicking the link to the scans in my original post the scans

I don't see how.

Beyond doesn't mean it's hierarchally higher and spiritual world is not omnipresent

 

[ZERGESS]

I’ll need to find a scan that specifically discusses the concept of space (though I doubt one exists, to be honest). However, it does repeatedly mention the absence of the concepts of directions and locations. Directions are spatial axes, i.e., spatial dimensionality.

Moreover, these scans are quite similar to the reasoning used for low outer tiering in the Warp from Warhammer 40k: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/The_Warp

anyways I'm going to bed for now, ill respond to stuff tomorrow

Like I said concept of direction exist just distorted

 

[Digital_Franz]

However, it does repeatedly mention the absence of the concepts of directions and locations. Directions are spatial axes, i.e., spatial dimensionality.

You know it could be due to a configuration of the concept of space or some shit like that looking at the concept of space but it doesn't have to be necessarily absent. It's fiction, anything is possible especially coming from this verse where planets can be p******t lol.

 

[LOTM_Historian]

Beyond doesn't mean it's hierarchally higher and

I'm not sure if you're overlooking the evidence, but here's more if you'd like to review it. Note: when the text mentions "dimensions" when talking about the spirit world, it's actually referring to "realm" in the raw translation.

spiritual world is not omnipresent

Go back and reread the scans, it’s stated explicitly.

Like I said concept of direction exist just distorted

Incorrect, you're simply ignoring the scans. It explicitly states three times that those concepts do not exist in the spirit world and further reinforces this by saying, "it doesn't need to abide by any restrictions or limitations on geographical locations" and that the spirit world "does not obey the laws of the physical world."

Also, this isn't a CRT for interpreting the scans. This thread is specifically about my original question: whether it's L1-A or not, not about debating the meaning of the scans. That is up to the admins in a CRT, not you.

Now I'm actually going to bed. Will respond later.

 

[ZERGESS]

I'm not sure if you're overlooking the evidence, but here's more if you'd like to review it. Note: when the text mentions "dimensions" when talking about the spirit world, it's actually referring to "realm" in the raw translation.


Go back and reread the scans, it’s stated explicitly.

Incorrect, you're simply ignoring the scans. It explicitly states three times that those concepts do not exist in the spirit world and further reinforces this by saying, "it doesn't need to abide by any restrictions or limitations on geographical locations" and that the spirit world "does not obey the laws of the physical world."

Also, this isn't a CRT for interpreting the scans. This thread is specifically about my original question: whether it's L1-A or not, not about debating the meaning of the scans. That is up to the admins in a CRT, not you.

Now I'm actually going to bed. Will respond later.

I'll respond tomorrow

 

[MrTayman616]

Would you say an abstract realm, described as existing beyond and hierarchically higher than the physical world, lacking concepts of direction and distance, unrestricted by geographical limitations, and omnipresent throughout all of reality, is Low Outer?

If you ask me, even "unrestricted by geographical limitations" alone implies L1-A.

I think it would be better to directly asking to one of the admins, send it to their message wall etc. Depending on the answer, you'd be getting a vote from that admin too, so i think it's a better way to get an answer for this question.

 

[MrTayman616]

Would you say an abstract realm, described as existing beyond and hierarchically higher than the physical world, lacking concepts of direction and distance, unrestricted by geographical limitations, and omnipresent throughout all of reality, is Low Outer?

Here are some scans for context.

If it's not a bother, can you tell me what "I" means here? Does it refer to the character speaking or? (Made me curious :d)

 

[LOTM_Historian]

If it's not a bother, can you tell me what "I" means here? (Made me curious :d)

Im not entirely sure how to interpret that part, but I included that scan because the previous sentence states, “That world does not obey the laws of the physical world.”

 

[ZERGESS]

I'm not sure if you're overlooking the evidence, but here's more if you'd like to review it. Note: when the text mentions "dimensions" when talking about the spirit world, it's actually referring to "realm" in the raw translation.


Go back and reread the scans, it’s stated explicitly.

Incorrect, you're simply ignoring the scans. It explicitly states three times that those concepts do not exist in the spirit world and further reinforces this by saying, "it doesn't need to abide by any restrictions or limitations on geographical locations" and that the spirit world "does not obey the laws of the physical world."

Also, this isn't a CRT for interpreting the scans. This thread is specifically about my original question: whether it's L1-A or not, not about debating the meaning of the scans. That is up to the admins in a CRT, not you.

Now I'm actually going to bed. Will respond later.

It's doesn't change anything even if it refers to a realm
There are places where spirit world does not overlap to another like physical world, obvious debunk
And no matter how many times it is mentioned the fact that concept of direction does not exist in spirit world doesn't change the fact that Klein himself stated/ explained it himself along the lines "so this is this reason why one can easily lose their way in spirit world you will see your self moving right by moving left" implies that direction exists I don't have any scans but it definitely exist
So it's obvious that characters are just under a misconception of spirit world having no direction
Do you happen to know the chapter of each scans

 

[Attendent_of_Mysteries]

There are places where spirit world does not overlap to another like physical world, obvious debunk

all the places overlap unless they're concealed by beyonder powers. Even in those places they're still able to teleport inside of them, they just can't use the spirit world to access the outside world. The Spirit World still exists inside the sealed/concealed area which is why they're still able to teleport but the SW is not connected to the main SW due to it being concealed.

And no matter how many times it is mentioned the fact that concept of direction does not exist in spirit world doesn't change the fact that Klein himself stated/ explained it himself along the lines "so this is this reason why one can easily lose their way in spirit world you will see your self moving right by moving left" implies that direction exists I don't have any scans but it definitely exist

do you have scan for this ?

 

[LOTM_Historian]

It's doesn't change anything even if it refers to a realm
There are places where spirit world does not overlap to another like physical world, obvious debunk

The spirit world completely overlaps the physical world, extending far beyond it. To visualize this, imagine a blanket draped over a phone, the two are connected, with the blanket encompassing the phone entirely. There is no place in reality that isn't linked to the spirit world, except in rare cases where the connection is forcibly severed by a God. Even in the Forsaken Land of the Gods, where the Evernight Goddess conceals the spirit world, its presence persists. This is clear as individuals continue to access and gain spirituality there. Here are 5 scans that confirm the spirit world's overlap with the material world: scans

And no matter how many times it is mentioned the fact that concept of direction does not exist in spirit world doesn't change the fact that Klein himself stated/ explained it himself along the lines "so this is this reason why one can easily lose their way in spirit world you will see your self moving right by moving left" implies that direction exists I don't have any scans but it definitely exist
So it's obvious that characters are just under a misconception of spirit world having no direction

Even if this were true, it’s ultimately irrelevant since many 1-A realms are often described using spatio-temporal terms. This isn’t a debunk. Here’s what Ultima had to say about it: https://gyazo.com/a282e3ca222cc0075a362603d91828f2

Also further proof is that the spirit world is literally a sea of information and information in the LOTM verse is not restricted by dimensionality: https://gyazo.com/776ddcecb6af1d4c317ae700913db443

 

[ZERGESS]

all the places overlap unless they're concealed by beyonder powers. Even in those places they're still able to teleport inside of them, they just can't use the spirit world to access the outside world. The Spirit World still exists inside the sealed/concealed area which is why they're still able to teleport but the SW is not connected to the main SW due to it being concealed.

do you have scan for this ?

To places like sefirah castle it does not exist, does spirit world overlaps the Astral world? And is it for sure that it encapsulates other worlds?
I don't have the scans but I think it's around the third time when he entered the spirit world

 

[ZERGESS]

all the places overlap unless they're concealed by beyonder powers. Even in those places they're still able to teleport inside of them, they just can't use the spirit world to access the outside world. The Spirit World still exists inside the sealed/concealed area which is why they're still able to teleport but the SW is not connected to the main SW due to it being concealed.

do you have scan for this ?

You can see in the scans the guy posted that spritual wolrd didn't distinguish direction meaning it just different form norms

 

[ZERGESS]

The spirit world completely overlaps the physical world, extending far beyond it. To visualize this, imagine a blanket draped over a phone, the two are connected, with the blanket encompassing the phone entirely. There is no place in reality that isn't linked to the spirit world, except in rare cases where the connection is forcibly severed by a God. Even in the Forsaken Land of the Gods, where the Evernight Goddess conceals the spirit world, its presence persists. This is clear as individuals continue to access and gain spirituality there. Here are 5 scans that confirm the spirit world's overlap with the material world: scans


Even if this were true, it’s ultimately irrelevant since many 1-A realms are often described using spatio-temporal terms. This isn’t a debunk. Here’s what Ultima had to say about it: https://gyazo.com/a282e3ca222cc0075a362603d91828f2

Also further proof is that the spirit world is literally a sea of information and information in the LOTM verse is not restricted by dimensionality: https://gyazo.com/776ddcecb6af1d4c317ae700913db443

Ultima meant that it's not always the case
In places like sefirah castle does it overlap there? Or does it extends to other wolrd or Astral world?

 

[ZERGESS]

The spirit world completely overlaps the physical world, extending far beyond it. To visualize this, imagine a blanket draped over a phone, the two are connected, with the blanket encompassing the phone entirely. There is no place in reality that isn't linked to the spirit world, except in rare cases where the connection is forcibly severed by a God. Even in the Forsaken Land of the Gods, where the Evernight Goddess conceals the spirit world, its presence persists. This is clear as individuals continue to access and gain spirituality there. Here are 5 scans that confirm the spirit world's overlap with the material world: scans


Even if this were true, it’s ultimately irrelevant since many 1-A realms are often described using spatio-temporal terms. This isn’t a debunk. Here’s what Ultima had to say about it: https://gyazo.com/a282e3ca222cc0075a362603d91828f2

Also further proof is that the spirit world is literally a sea of information and information in the LOTM verse is not restricted by dimensionality: https://gyazo.com/776ddcecb6af1d4c317ae700913db443

Your scans says spiritual world didn't distinguish direction, it is a proof of what I just said

 

[Attendent_of_Mysteries]

To places like sefirah castle it does not exist, does spirit world overlaps the Astral world? And is it for sure that it encapsulates other worlds?
I don't have the scans but I think it's around the third time when he entered the spirit world

when did sefirah castle and astral world became material world ? Spirit World overlaps the material world. I don't know what you want to prove by bringing Sefirah castle and Astral world into the conversation when they don't even belong to the material world.

 

[Attendent_of_Mysteries]

You can see in the scans the guy posted that spritual wolrd didn't distinguish direction meaning it just different form norms

i just wanted to see the scan of Klein implying that moving right moves you to left in the spirit world.

 

[ZERGESS]

i just wanted to see the scan of Klein implying that moving right moves you to left in the spirit world.

I don't have it

 

[ZERGESS]

when did sefirah castle and astral world became material world ? Spirit World overlaps the material world. I don't know what you want to prove by bringing Sefirah castle and Astral world into the conversation when they don't even belong to the material world.

Do you know what it means to be omnipresent?

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

looks like At least low 1-C.

it seems to refer to it as realm of spirits so of course certain concept of physical reality will not apply to it or is absent
it did mention that distance and direction doesn't exist because both things are in chaotic state
and reading the entire statement the context seems to refer to the physical distance and direction of the physical realm which I assume is still only 3D + time

though since it showed how it basically omnipresent throughout physical reality and stated as beyond and multiple mentions of upper realm etc
it could be a higher plane which would be 5D at least

 

[LOTM_Historian]

looks like At least low 1-C.

it seems to refer to it as realm of spirits so of course certain concept of physical reality will not apply to it or is absent
it did mention that distance and direction doesn't exist because both things are in chaotic state
and reading the entire statement the context seems to refer to the physical distance and direction of the physical realm which I assume is still only 3D + time

though since it showed how it basically omnipresent throughout physical reality and stated as beyond and multiple mentions of upper realm etc
it could be a higher plane which would be 5D at least

How about if you include the scan of information in LOTM not being restricted by dimensionality? https://gyazo.com/776ddcecb6af1d4c317ae700913db443

And since the spirit world is stated to be a sea of infinite information wouldn't this upgrade it to L1-A at least?

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

How about if you include the scan of information in LOTM not being restricted by dimensionality? https://gyazo.com/776ddcecb6af1d4c317ae700913db443

And since the spirit world is stated to be a sea of infinite information wouldn't this upgrade it to L1-A at least? \

I guess it does make it qualify. but since I'm not an expert in Low 1-A you should get the opinion of others