Kryptonian Physiology + Superman NEP Erasure

[Vietthai96]

He specifically said he will make it "cease to exist"

Oke then

Don't see how this changed anything?

This should grant him: Nonexistence Erasure (Nature Type 1; Aspect Types 2 & 5 [Other: Concepts & History]

You claimed the zone lack concept, where it is again?

 

[Hypertornado099]

Superman threathened to be able to destroy the entire Phantom Zone. This is supported by the fact his fight against Rogol Zaar was shaking the whole Zone throught Earthquakes. The Phantom Zone is stated to be beyond space/time (so it should obviously lack Space Time) and a timeless dimension of near nothingness. This should grant him: Nonexistence Erasure (Nature Type 1; Aspect Types 2 & 5 [Other: Concepts & History].
Anyone capable of destroying the Zone should also be granted the same ability

This scan states that when they enter the zone, they become immaterial. His physiology and very existence is altered here, so I think it shouldn't mean Superman can interact with the PZ with his usual body

 

[Hypertornado099]

• Intangibility Negation (Using Super Breath, Kryptonians can negate intangibility by freezing their particles)

This is NPI

• Intangibility (As shown by Superman and Supergirl)
• Invisibility (Kryptonians are capable of turning invisible by vibrating fast enough as shown by Supergirl and Superman

These are done via speed and skill, its more of a technique than something to do with their physiology, so I don't think every Kryptonian can do this. Supergirl couldn't even do this before the Flash taught her

 

[Lloydblitzed]

You claimed the zone lack concept, where it is again?

Concept refers to Space

This scan states that when they enter the zone, they become immaterial. His physiology and very existence is altered here, so I think it shouldn't mean Superman can interact with the PZ with his usual body

In the Action Comics, he could interact with people in the Zone even when using tech that keeps his normal power/physiology

This is NPI

Superman couldn't physically touch him nor hit him with Heat Vision

These are done via speed and skill, its more of a technique than something to do with their physiology, so I don't think every Kryptonian can do this. Supergirl couldn't even do this before the Flash taught her

They have the ability to if they learn how to do it. Just like everyone can do Superflare but hasn't necesserally learned how to control the output

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Also, nullifying Intangibility like Superman did is very different from NIP. That's why Gwen doesn't have NIP

• Intangibility Negation (Phasing - Her shield can nullify ghost freak's phasing abilities)

 

[Vietthai96]

Concept refers to Space

what? where?

 

[Sonoftanavast9]

Also, nullifying Intangibility like Superman did is very different from NIP. That's why Gwen doesn't have NIP

Tbh she should have NPI and that intangibility negation should be replaced with that also don't use a whataboutism as an arguement

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Tbh she should have NPI and that intangibility negation should be replaced with that also don't use a whataboutism as an arguement

I was giving an example

 

[Lloydblitzed]

what? where?

I re-read, it should just be reworded as Space instead of Concept

 

[Hypertornado099]

Superman couldn't physically touch him nor hit him with Heat Vision

So? That's still NPI with frost breath.

They have the ability to if they learn how to do it. Just like everyone can do Superflare but hasn't necesserally learned how to control the output

You shouldn't get an ability if you haven't learnt how to do it yet. Superflare should be removed for the same reason

In the Action Comics, he could interact with people in the Zone even when using tech that keeps his normal power/physiology

It doesn't say physiology, just powers

 

[Lloydblitzed]

You shouldn't get an ability if you haven't learnt how to do it yet.

It is implied here, here and here that Kryptonians gain the same abilities as Superman under a yellow Sun

Should we also remove most abilities because we haven't seen other Kryptonians explicitly use it?

Superflare should be removed for the same reason

Superflare is not something you learn. A random guy who just got Kryptonian powers was able to do it. Jon Kent with 0 knowledge on the ability was able to do it out of rage. No

It doesn't say physiology, just powers

His powers are litterally based on his physio? He would be completly depowered and way weaker if it wasn't from them. Also, I don't see how his different state would change anything here. Being immaterial =/= Automatically being able to interact with Nonexistence

 

[Robo432343]

bump

 

[Hypertornado099]

Should we also remove most abilities because we haven't seen other Kryptonians explicitly use it?

Only the techniques that they haven't learn should be removed

It is implied here, here and here that Kryptonians gain the same abilities as Superman under a yellow Sun

Again, this doesn't mean they have his techniques. Are you gonna tell me they should all have Torquasm Vo now?

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Only the techniques that they haven't learn should be removed

That doesn't refute what I said about Superflare. People have shown to use it without prior knowledge on it or training, including Superman

Again, this doesn't mean they have his techniques. Are you gonna tell me they should all have Torquasm Vo now?

Really not comparable. His Martial Art =/= His Yellow Sun based abilities. Kryptonians are the only guys who can release the entire Solar Energy contained in their body, so "Ahem its just skills!" is just dead logic

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Invulnerability is a hard no. That's my biggest contention. I don't got much to say on the rest. Neutral but iffy on NEP, but the rest look alright.

 

[FinePoint]

I almost entirely agree, except:

Intangibility Negation should just be Non-Physical Interaction.
It should just be noted it's only for the frost breath.

And I don't see it on the sandbox, but I also disagree with Invulnerability.

 

[Firestorm808]

Has this reached a conclusion?

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Has this reached a conclusion?

No for the NEP part, cuz we need 1 input on it and yours would be appreciated. Yes on the rest

 

[Firestorm808]

• Kryptonian physiolgy page
  • Overall, it seems fine.
  • Note: This is no longer an issue for Superman[57]
    • Eh, I would posit that he can now better control how much energy he uses for an omnidirectional burst, so he still has leftover energy to fight. It's not like he can expend all his energy in a burst twice in a row or something.
• Superman threathened to be able to destroy the entire Phantom Zone. This is supported by the fact his fight against Rogol Zaar was shaking the whole Zone throught Earthquakes. The Phantom Zone is stated to be beyond space/time (so it should obviously lack Space Time) and a timeless dimension of near nothingness. This should grant him: Nonexistence Erasure (Nature Type 1; Aspect Types 2 & 5 [Other: Concepts & History].
  Anyone capable of destroying the Zone should also be granted the same ability
  • I lean against this since it lacks context on PZ reality being affected as a whole rather than it just shaking from their attacks.
• higher via Super Flare
  • Fine

 

[Hasty12345]

If it’s just an NPI feat, does he need to affect the whole PZ?

 

[Lloydblitzed]

• Kryptonian physiolgy page
  • Overall, it seems fine.
  • Note: This is no longer an issue for Superman[57]
    • Eh, I would posit that he can now better control how much energy he uses for an omnidirectional burst, so he still has leftover energy to fight. It's not like he can expend all his energy in a burst twice in a row or something.
• Superman threathened to be able to destroy the entire Phantom Zone. This is supported by the fact his fight against Rogol Zaar was shaking the whole Zone throught Earthquakes. The Phantom Zone is stated to be beyond space/time (so it should obviously lack Space Time) and a timeless dimension of near nothingness. This should grant him: Nonexistence Erasure (Nature Type 1; Aspect Types 2 & 5 [Other: Concepts & History].
  Anyone capable of destroying the Zone should also be granted the same ability
  • I lean against this since it lacks context on PZ reality being affected as a whole rather than it just shaking from their attacks.
• higher via Super Flare
  • Fine

Can't we just say the NEP feat is a NPI feat instead of erasure?