Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

[Samlex1234]

Uzuhiko tethers the opponent to that rotational energy. Boruto doesn’t steal it. That’s antithetical to his entire character, where he’s trying to find ways to fight against people who steal energy from the planet. So he’s not taking away from the planet to empower his attacks, he’s basically enabling the planet to “punch” the enemy. He directs that energy at the opponent without stealing from the planet. He shares with and helps the planet fight back, the villains take from the planet and give nothing.

Net actually pioneered this take and gave a much better explanation in one of my Uzuhiko threads.

Huh? What is this headcanon?



Boruto said he takes in the Planet Chakra he never mentioned anything about redirecting it, he said “To Kill him with a single blow, I will need quite a lot of it”. So no he does not just direct it, he also uses it along with his own chakra in the initial impact.

 

[Iabihs]

Boruto tethers you after he hits you with the intial hit(or if you touch him)


I Still wouldnt use it for scaling anywhere until we get another interpretatation, better safe then sorry

 

[Iabihs]

That statement could explain Gamakichi or whatever hurting the TSB,

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

Jura should just scale above the Uzuhiko given that it's heavily implied Boruto has no chance against him. At least a likely rating I feel would be warranted when his profile exists

I disagree. Uzuhiko requires a charge time and Boruto being on the ground. Two things Jura isn’t likely to do or has a response for.

Suggesting Jura may scale above it implies Boruto is able to get off these restrictions against him and that’s way too speculative atm.

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

Boruto tethers you after he hits you with the intial hit(or if you touch him)


I Still wouldnt use it for scaling anywhere until we get another interpretatation, better safe then sorry

I’m sorry but I disagree with this take. Boruto isn’t just “tethering” you to it. Every instance of the ability comes with the context that the strength (Impact) of the jutsu is directly linked to the Planet’s Energy, which is why there is a noticeable affect in the planet to characters like Daemon.

Your stance would inherently deny Uzuhiko’s strike strength scaling to the Planet’s Energy when that isn’t supported. It uses that energy for the strike while simultaneously tethering you to that energy, which is why the damage it does and its side effects are “permanent”.

 

[Samlex1234]

I’m sorry but I disagree with this take. Boruto isn’t just “tethering” you to it. Every instance of the ability comes with the context that the strength (Impact) of the jutsu is directly linked to the Planet’s Energy, which is why there is a noticeable affect in the planet to characters like Daemon.

Your stance would inherently deny Uzuhiko’s strike strength scaling to the Planet’s Energy when that isn’t supported. It uses that energy for the strike while simultaneously tethering you to that energy, which is why the damage it does and its side effects are “permanent”.

You guys are saying the same thing.

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

You guys are saying the same thing.

Ironically hilarious actually.

 

[Iabihs]

I’m sorry but I disagree with this take. Boruto isn’t just “tethering” you to it. Every instance of the ability comes with the context that the strength (Impact) of the jutsu is directly linked to the Planet’s Energy, which is why there is a noticeable affect in the planet to characters like Daemon.

Your stance would inherently deny Uzuhiko’s strike strength scaling to the Planet’s Energy when that isn’t supported. It uses that energy for the strike while simultaneously tethering you to that energy, which is why the damage it does and its side effects are “permanent”.

So were agreeing here on how uzuhiko works or????

 

[Godernet]

You’re still not understanding my point. I never claimed that Uzuhiko doesn’t enhance AP.

Never said you did

My argument is that the energy source for Uzuhiko cannot be finite. If it were finite, and we agreed that the maximum energy source is only 600 zettatons, then it would impose a strict limit on how long Uzuhiko could use that energy.

It wouldn’t unless you believe Boruto is taking energy from the Planet for Uzuhiko, which I’ve given a ton of reasons in the past as to why that likely isn’t the case.

A finite energy source inherently means a restricted duration for its activation, which contradicts the implication of its sustained usability.

Boruto already said that Uzuhiko can last semi permanent because the energy a planet produces by rotating will last far longer than their meager human life spans.

Finite is quite literally any energy amount that isn’t infinite.

Uzuhiko can still be finite but last millions of years if needed because of the sheer amount of energy it draws from.

Also if Boruto is only directing the energy at people rather than absorbing it, the energy of the planet never really decreases when he uses Uzuhiko, which means it’ll never actually exhaust the planets rotational energy anyways.

It might however affect the planet to activate a jutsu that affects a planets entire rotational energy pool, which is why when Uzuhiko is used the planet shakes.

 

[Iabihs]

Does boruto say Uzuhikos effects are only semi-permanent because Code will die? Meaning if Code was immortal they would just be Permanent, correct me if im wrong but the planet doesnt stop spinning by itself right? Only due to outside interference

 

[MinatoSparkle]

I mean in billions of years it'll be consumed by the sun

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

i have this opinion too tbh

My hot take opinion was that the Uzuhiko is as strong as the Rasengan itself

im more or less of this mind too, obviously i think the rotational part is fixed but the final output is determined by his rasengan's strength, which right now isnt all that much higher than our values but yeah

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

If Boruto used all of Earth’s rotational KE in a battle against Code, then logically, the rotational KE would be depleted

Boruto doesnt take the energy of the rotation away from the planet he tethers his rasengan to it, which is why its indefinite in effect and why the way to dispel it is similar to stopping a contract.

 

[karo_senpaii]

1) its infinite no buts or ifs
2) even if it is a possibility you cant scale that timelines jura to this one, only that hypothetical jura would be as strong, not this one, there's absolutely nothing stating every possibility has characters retain the same power level, that literally contradicts the very point of infinite possibilities
3) narutos likely outer lets give him half ratings for tier 1

They are divine trees and not people who could be different due to training and so.. there's no reason for jura to be different. Where I disagree with arc though is that I don't even think boruto has uzuhiko in any of the other timelines. The reason he is this strong RN we all know he did not have that knowledge in other timelines

 

[karo_senpaii]

I mean in billions of years it'll be consumed by the sun

Yeah but boruto is the sun according to mitsuki so star level boruto?

 

[Samlex1234]

there is no definitive answer to that rn

Arc's calc gave us a value for Uzuhiko in general that utilized what we currently know Uzuhiko is based on (centrifugal and rotational force) to assign it a value (600 Zettatons).

The site usually doesn't grant charitability if there's no sound logic that beats out the other interpretations, for the sake of indexing, that value was assigned to Uzuhiko at its strongest, aka Maximum Output Uzuhiko.

This was partially due to where we currently scale the characters and based on our current understanding of Uzuhiko, in that it's only comprised of Boruto's chakra + the Planet's rotational and centrifugal energy, meaning that its highest output being at least the full yield of said energy is probably the least assumptive and most consistent route to take until more information is presented, barring arguments like "Uzuhiko doesn't use the planet chakra in its AP", which ends up being a completely different topic from just assigning a value to a jutsu.

If we get more information that makes it seem like Uzuhiko is much more than what we were initially told, then we'll just update accordingly.

Also, Can you stop bringing up the small planet scale? It’s entirely irrelevant to Uzuhiko. Boruto is far stronger than someone like old dying Hagoromo, who performed the lifting feat effortlessly. Starting with Kaguya, the power scaling continues to increase exponentially, stacking higher and higher until we reach something like Baryon Mode. The god-tier characters don’t scale to small planet-level they are leagues beyond that, with multiple layers of far higher, exceeding small planet-scale long before we even get to Boruto.
Furthermore, if we consider the fact that what Hagoromo and Hamura fought was the Ten Tails and not Kaguya in her full physical form, the scaling becomes even more drastic. Hagoromo himself stated that their mother was more powerful than anyone else, meaning Kaguya > Ten Tails that he fought. This implies that Hagoromo fought the Ten Tails in its animalistic form, when we know that Kaguya could use and manipulate the Ten Tails’ chakra to enhance her own abilities far more effectively than the beast itself can use its power. Therefore, Revived Kaguya > Past Kaguya > Ten Tails ~ pre-Ten Tails-absorbed Hagoromo > old Hagoromo without Ten Tails’ chakra and the Gedo mazo.

Now, this “old Hagoromo without the Ten Tails’ chakra” is the one performing the small planet feat we have.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

They are divine trees and not people who could be different due to training and so.. there's no reason for jura to be different. Where I disagree with arc though is that I don't even think boruto has uzuhiko in any of the other timelines. The reason he is this strong RN we all know he did not have that knowledge in other timelines

there's a timeline where jura is secretly a lil ass girl using transformation jutsu and chakra signature manipulation
there you go now he's weaker


there's also a timeline where it's a possibility that juras only as strong as god tiers via training, see now your logic falls apart,

 

[MinatoSparkle]

The possibilities are futures that diverge from the present which is already established, so no.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

how do you know he's secretly not a lil genin
how do you know he wont contract a disease that reduces his stats by 100x

 

[Godernet]

Also, Can you stop bringing up the small planet scale? It’s entirely irrelevant to Uzuhiko.

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I brought it up one time as part of the explanation as to why MO Uzuhiko is currently treated the way it is.

I already agree that the L5B scale isn't important to arguing Uzuhiko.

Most of what I've been saying has been to inform you as to why things are the way they are, not argue.

Boruto is far stronger than someone like old dying Hagoromo, who performed the lifting feat effortlessly. Starting with Kaguya, the power scaling continues to increase exponentially, stacking higher and higher until we reach something like Baryon Mode.

I mean as a person that helped make Jigen+ ppl 10x stronger than Hagaromo I agree.

The god-tier characters don’t scale to small planet-level they are leagues beyond that, with multiple layers of far higher, exceeding small planet-scale long before we even get to Boruto.

See this is the biggest issue here,

You're saying that god tiers cannot be L5B, as if it's a complete impossibility that's not even worth considering.

I don't even think most people who disagree with you feel that close-minded about scales that aren't their own.

Information and arguments are everchanging and nothing is 100% definitive.

If for the rest of the Boruto series, MO Uzuhiko is never surpassed, no new tier 5 or above feats come up, no new information on Uzuhiko comes up, and all we have are the explanations we've already been given about Uzuhiko: then the people that were claiming soft cap were right to be skeptical.

However, if something new comes up, then ppl obviously adapt to that new stuff on Uzuhiko, like any information-based practice would.

When you start to accept that...

• The wiki is for indexing lower/more consistent ends of scaling.
• Charitability isn't something granted without evidence that favors an interpretation.
• You're allowed to have your own way of scaling characters outside of what wiki rules and regulations accept and most normal ppl won't complain.
• No one ever listens to incredulity arguments not (example: This characters can't possibly be here because I can't envision that.)

...you'll probably be less annoyed with how things are for now and realize none of us actually want Uzuhiko to cap the verse and 99% of us are just waiting for more information to hopefully change things.

Furthermore, if we consider the fact that what Hagoromo and Hamura fought was the Ten Tails and not Kaguya in her full physical form, the scaling becomes even more drastic. Hagoromo himself stated that their mother was more powerful than anyone else, meaning Kaguya > Ten Tails that he fought. This implies that Hagoromo fought the Ten Tails in its animalistic form, when we know that Kaguya could use and manipulate the Ten Tails’ chakra to enhance her own abilities far more effectively than the beast itself can use its power. Therefore, Revived Kaguya > Past Kaguya > Ten Tails ~ pre-Ten Tails-absorbed Hagoromo > old Hagoromo without Ten Tails’ chakra and the Gedo mazo.

Now, this “old Hagoromo without the Ten Tails’ chakra” is the one performing the small planet feat we have.

None of this matters to Boruto GTs not being L5B I'm ngl.

in verse, gaps are literally unquantifiable without feats, statements, or multipliers to provide them some kind of numeric value.

and in that regard, Boruto GTs being currently 10x stronger than Shippuden GTs is still a big enough gap to fit the entire scaling chain you made above in a way that makes sense.

there are some verses where you can be 40% stronger than someone to one-shot them, and likewise, there are verses where you can be hundreds of times stronger than someone and still be relative.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

In Naruto a 20x difference isn't enough to blitz or one shot

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

okay twenty more digits ggs

 

[Samlex1234]

Boruto doesn't take the energy of the rotation away from the planet he tethers his Rasengan to it, which is why it's indefinite in effect and why the way to dispel it is similar to stopping a contract.

Uzuhiko has two distinct components: the physical damage and the psychological damage. For the psychological damage, we see this demonstrated when Code is hit by the initial Rasengan. The attack then embeds itself inside him. Boruto states that the energy (a combination of his chakra and the absorbed planetary chakra) rushing ‘inside’ the target is tied to the planet’s movement. Since the planet’s movement never stops, the attack itself is perpetual and unending.
For the physical damage, in the case of Hidari, boruto can actively absorb more chakra from the planet to amplify the attack, as he mentions. Importantly, Boruto doesn’t just appear to tether the energy at least based on his explanation. He took in the chakra first before using it. For this, the goal was not to embed the chakra into the target in the case of code but to destroy the target completely. We saw that even a part of Hidari was trying to escape before he was destroyed by Kawaki in that moment the psychological effects were of no use because Boruto's goal was to destroy Hidari on the spot.


Boruto said “I quote I need to take in the planetary chakra through both feet on the ground, and to kill him with one blow I will need quite a lot of it” So as you can see he absorbs the chakra not tether it.


Prior to this Sarada had asked Boruto to fly up and use his Normal Rasengan, but Boruto says no instead he will use Uzuhiko at the maximum Output. Then Sarada asked again can a single shot of this just take him down.



Then Boruto said it is possible if I don't hold back. Proven that he can absorb little or less of this energy.



Here we saw that Boruto was not done with the absorption he says it was not still perfect, meaning he could still absorb more chakra to reach a maximum output.

 

[Samlex1234]

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I brought it up one time as part of the explanation as to why MO Uzuhiko is currently treated the way it is.

I already agree that the L5B scale isn't important to arguing Uzuhiko.

Most of what I've been saying has been to inform you as to why things are the way they are, not argue.

I mean as a person that helped make Jigen+ ppl 10x stronger than Hagaromo I agree.

See this is the biggest issue here,

You're saying that god tiers cannot be L5B, as if it's a complete impossibility that's not even worth considering.

I don't even think most people who disagree with you feel that close-minded about scales that aren't their own.

Information and arguments are everchanging and nothing is 100% definitive.

If for the rest of the Boruto series, MO Uzuhiko is never surpassed, no new tier 5 or above feats come up, no new information on Uzuhiko comes up, and all we have are the explanations we've already been given about Uzuhiko: then the people that were claiming soft cap were right to be skeptical.

However, if something new comes up, then ppl obviously adapt to that new stuff on Uzuhiko, like any information-based practice would.

When you start to accept that...

• The wiki is for indexing lower/more consistent ends of scaling.
• Charitability isn't something granted without evidence that favors an interpretation.
• You're allowed to have your own way of scaling characters outside of what wiki rules and regulations accept and most normal ppl won't complain.
• No one ever listens to incredulity arguments not (example: This characters can't possibly be here because I can't envision that.)

...you'll probably be less annoyed with how things are for now and realize none of us actually want Uzuhiko to cap the verse and 99% of us are just waiting for more information to hopefully change things.

None of this matters to Boruto GTs not being L5B I'm ngl.

in verse, gaps are literally unquantifiable without feats, statements, or multipliers to provide them some kind of numeric value.

and in that regard, Boruto GTs being currently 10x stronger than Shippuden GTs is still a big enough gap to fit the entire scaling chain you made above in a way that makes sense.

there are some verses where you can be 40% stronger than someone to one-shot them, and likewise, there are verses where you can be hundreds of times stronger than someone and still be relative.

You were the one that brought up the low 5 b, like it somehow caps Uzuhiko. My argument is the upper god tiers are currently greater than that initial low5b feat with multiple far higher that we don't even have a value for or in some cases we put at least. That argument is useless I'm sorry.

 

[Iabihs]

In Naruto a 20x difference isn't enough to blitz or one shot

Cook

 

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[Nierre]

anyways

 

[Stryker861]

Yall be gettin rent freed by uzihiko no lie

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

not me im too busy working on a 5a calc

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

The counter arguments for Jura not scaling to the Uzuhiko in a probabilistic fashion suck ass people confuse feasibility with possibility. But uh, just wait, I’ll be proven right before the arc ends

if I’m not flame my ass

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

no one has issues with Jura tanking a FP Uzuhiko to the face, we just think your reasons for granting it to him based on current info are poor

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

no one has issues with Jura tanking a FP Uzuhiko to the face, we just think your reasons for granting it to him based on current info are poor

The counter arguments for Jura not scaling to the Uzuhiko in a probabilistic fashion suck ass

I literally never said people have issues with Jura scaling. I said the arguments against mine were doodoo. Cuz they are

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

oh so you wanna chalk it upto being bad instead of elaborating why? W duck

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

oh so you wanna chalk it upto being bad instead of elaborating why? W duck

I did elaborate why. You confused possibility and feasibility. Can you not read?

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

you brought up probabilities and I said it's not enough evidence, there's no "reading issue" here, you're just flat out incorrect

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

you brought up probabilities and I said it's not enough evidence, there's no "reading issue" here, you're just flat out incorrect

I didn't just bring up probabilities, I brought up feasibilities, and explained why my interpretation has statistical significance in being true. And you just didn't refute that.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

parroting the same points over and over again does not add credence, I countered both, please learn what wincons are, you didn't drop anything that meets wiki standards for scaling Jura to the jutsu

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

parroting the same points over and over again does not add credence, I countered both, please learn what wincons are, you didn't drop anything that meets wiki standards for scaling Jura to the jutsu

Anyway, just read Chapter 20: finally looks like we're gonna get some Kawaki stuff in 2025, very hype. Ryu growing on me with this chapter, not as entertaining as Jura, but watching him pull a sneaky on the ninja was pretty cool, definitely makes him more imposing as a threat. Matsuri is cringe and cornball, but luckily that was like only 1/3rd of the chapter. Overall not bad.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

concession accepted

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

concession accepted