Deku vs Big Mom (MHA vs OP)

[Therefir]

Izuku Midoriya vs Charlotte Linlin.

Final War Arc Deku is being used. Big Mom has access to her 3 Homies. Speed is equalized.

Deku:
Big Mom:
Inconclusive:

 

[Arkansalter2]

Both are High 6-A right? Nothing is stopping Lin from just jumping to 5-C.

 

[Knifeman29]

Both are High 6-A right? Nothing is stopping Lin from just jumping to 5-C.

That 5-C Is a possibility not an amp. She can't jump to that level.

 

[Kidkinsey]

Does deku have anyways to touch or deal with the homies and does big mom have have any answers to have her speed altered by gearshift

 

[Emerald]

Can Deku deal with Haki or nah?

 

[Kachon123]

does big mom have have any answers to have her speed altered by gearshift

Haki resists that.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

How does Deku deal with Big Mom's soul attacks?

 

[Therefir]

How does Deku deal with Big Mom's soul attacks?

Deku has been stated to not fear death, Soul Pocus isn't gonna work.

 

[Kachon123]

Deku has been stated to not fear death, Soul Pocus isn't gonna work.

Not sure if that's really enough. Big Mom's fear inducement scales above the likes of Cracker (her son), who could cause the souls of trees to be ejected while also withering them. When using Conqueror's Haki on top of her natural fear inducement, she can dominate her opponent's will, allowing for Soul Pocus to work regardless. Big Mom Conqueror's Haki is among the best in the verse, being way superior to baby Haki users like Thriller Bark Luffy. Thriller Bark Luffy through willpower alone could overpower the individual egos of 100 people inside of his mind with just 2-3 being enough to overload the mind of the average person.

 

[Therefir]

Deku resist Fear Inducement from Shigaraki whose mere sight can paralyze hundreds of people with fear, with these people having their morale boosted by a Quirk and each of them being willing to give their lives for their cause even without the morale boost, and with Shigaraki's mere presence causing visions of utter death to people close to him.

Not only that, but Deku fought a Shigaraki whose consciousness and willpower were merged with All For One, who can replicate all of the above just like Shigaraki, and adding to that Deku gained the combined willpower of the 8 previous bearers of One For All bearers, each of whom opposed and faced All For One in life, and even long after death while being mere vestiges, they were able to resist the combined willpower and fear inducement of Shigaraki and All For One.

I would also like to mention that the inherit nature of AFO's Quirk forces him to dominate and subjugate the willpower of the thousands of Quirks vestiges he has stolen throughout his entire life or else of they revolt against him and destroy his very soul, and even with all that willpower it was still impossible for him to subjugate and steal One For All from just a single bearer.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Big Mom requires you to fear death in her presence.

Deku faced off against AFO super willpower amped Shigaraki without any fear, who could induce it in people that literally had their mental states boosted by a Quirk to do things without caring about death. Not only did he not fear them he kicked them out of his headspace despite AFO’s willpower, which is tied to his fear manip, being able to control thousands.

So no, Conqueror’s Haki or anything BM has is not scaring Deku.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Also statwise, Deku is like 10x BM’s base and would one shot her unless she instantly amps with her Homies.

And at that point Deku is still taking her out if a single Fa Jin attack lands.

How good are BM’s observation Haki feats and are they gonna save her. Cause from what I’ve seen of her fights against equal powered opponents, her combat skill isn’t that great other than sparring with Kaido. She’s kind of a DF merchant over a close combat fighter.

This match may not be applicable too since if Deku uses any of his speed boosts, the match is invalid cause he’s slower than her now he wouldn’t have been before and yes I’m still salty

 

[Nierre]

This match be not be applicable though since Deku uses any of his speed boosts and match is invalid cause he’s slower now

i find this speed rule to be really cringe but whatever

 

[Kachon123]

Big Mom requires you to fear death in her presence.

Deku faced off against AFO super willpower amped Shigaraki without any fear, who could induce it in people that literally had their mental states boosted by a Quirk to do things without caring about death. Not only did he not fear them he kicked them out of his headspace despite AFO’s willpower, which is tied to his fear manip, being able to control thousands.

So no, Conqueror’s Haki or anything BM has is not scaring Deku.

?? Characters with inferior Conquerors's Haki to her like Luffy and Old Rayleigh could dominate the wills of 50,000 and 100,000 people respectively. Big Mom's fear manipulation even outside of Conqueror's Haki scales far above people who can affect literal souls. Luffy effortlessly subjugated the egos/wills of 100 people being shoved inside of his brain and Zoro before even unlocking his Haki was able to incapacitate someone who has nigh-invulnerability without directly trying to so I don't know how you came to the conclusion that Deku would be unaffected by BM.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

?? Characters with inferior Conquerors's Haki to her like Luffy and Old Rayleigh could dominate the wills of 50,000 and 100,000 people respectively. Big Mom's fear manipulation even outside of Conqueror's Haki scales far above people who can affect literal souls. Luffy effortlessly subjugated the egos/wills of 100 people being shoved inside of his brain and Zoro before even unlocking his Haki was able to incapacitate someone who has nigh-invulnerability without directly trying to so I don't know how you came to the conclusion that Deku would be unaffected by BM.

Dominating a high amount of weak willed people vs dominating a lesser amount of mental amped people. It’s not 1:1 regardless of numbers unless BM has a showing directly superior to Shigaraki or AFO’s.

Those other examples don’t mean anything and are inferior to both examples presented.

 

[Kidkinsey]

i find this speed rule to be really cringe but whatever

Wait what. Speed amps aren't allowed in matches anymore?

 

[Nierre]

Wait what. Speed amps aren't allowed in matches anymore?

if ur originally slower than the opponent (and ur amp isnt rated higher than the opponent) then u cannot blitz with it at least iirc

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Ye that’s basically it.

 

[Kachon123]

Also statwise, Deku is like 10x BM’s base and would one shot her unless she instantly amps with her Homies.

And at that point Deku is still taking her out if a single Fa Jin attack lands.

Big Mom is an endurance monster and she can also heal. She can take attacks that pulverize her organs and bones and is relative in endurance and stamina to Kaidou. The 8x oneshot value represents the difference needed to be able crack the skull of your opponent in a single blow, and while the gap between them is beyond that (9.3x) it's not nearly enough to say that she'd go down in just a few hits.

As for Fa Jin, the difference between the two is still only slightly bigger than the difference between their bases, with Big Mom's innards actively healing whenever damage is taken. This is without mentioning how Big Mom can continue to massively amp herself as the fight goes on. Just 1 year worth of power is what's listed on her profile

How good are BM’s observation Haki feats and are they gonna save her. Cause from what I’ve seen of her fights against equal powered opponents, her combat skill isn’t that great other than sparring with Kaido. She’s kind of a DF merchant over a close combat fighter.

Yeah she has pretty strong observation Haki.

Dominating a high amount of weak willed people vs dominating a lesser amount of mental amped people. It’s not 1:1 regardless of numbers unless BM has a showing directly superior to Shigaraki or AFO’s.

Being able to affect the souls of others through fear is directly superior to anything Shigaraki or AFO have shown.

It 100% is 1:1. There is a large difference between freezing a crowd of hundreds through fear and straight up knocking out 100,000. Also I'm not sure where you got the idea where the Fish-Men were weak-willed?

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Big Mom is an endurance monster and she can also heal. She can take attacks that pulverize her organs and bones and is relative in endurance and stamina to Kaidou. The 8x oneshot value represents the difference needed to be able crack the skull of your opponent in a single blow, and while the gap between them is beyond that (9.3x) it's not nearly enough to say that she'd go down in just a few hits.

As for Fa Jin, the difference between the two is still only slightly bigger than the difference between their bases, with Big Mom's innards actively healing whenever damage is taken. This is without mentioning how Big Mom can continue to massively amp herself as the fight goes on. Just 1 year worth of power is what's listed on her profile

Yeah she has pretty strong observation Haki.

Being able to affect the souls of others through fear is directly superior to anything Shigaraki or AFO have shown.

It 100% is 1:1. There is a large difference between freezing a crowd of hundreds through fear and straight up knocking out 100,000. Also I'm not sure where you got the idea where the Fish-Men were weak-willed?

With Fa Jin the gap is 45x from her base and Deku leads with that. She gets one shot out of existence. Even if she heals as she goes, she can’t fight forever at such a disadvantage, as evidenced when she literally got hurt so much that she spent her own lifespan to get stronger.

Also 1 year of her life was what she considered a sufficient price against Kid and Law, people that had literally been shattering her skull and dura negging her. As far as I’m concerned that is the limit for her ability and she isn’t stacking a “5 years of my life” and become 20000 exatons or something. Her max power is 18 petatons with a ramp up after that, which isn’t gonna matter cause Deku crushes her well before she reaches his level.

Also the 42 petatons he scales to is his WEAKEST, most tired, gased out and powerless state. Actual full power Deku is probably straight up one shotting a hole through Big Mom’s chest without needing Fa Jin.

Conquerors knocking people out is not the same as the fear part. The entire point of conquerors is that it’s an exertion of will power on another. People with good willpower get shaken by it while people with weak willpower get knocked out. If you have strong willpower you can straight up ignore it. The fish men having insufficient willpower is not a feat for Haki other than the overall range of it being able to extend far enough to reach that many. A single fish man could have stronger willpower than any of those in the 50,000 Luffy knocked out and be unaffected. It’s a matter of what counts as strong willpower in One Piece, and I’m pretty sure everything going on with Deku is clear cut enough to resist it.

All 8 vestiges being literal crystallized center points of willpower directly amping his own willpower to the point he can fight and shatter barriers in OTHER PEOPLES MINDS with his desire to save is a hell of a lot more than you’re making it out to be.

Show me scans of the fish men having notably higher will power or resistance to conqueror’s haki than a normal human that isn’t just usual “Fishmen > humans!!!” propaganda. The amped liberation army were practically mindless but got feared into not moving despite a super power being used to control them. That is not just “freezing,” it’s directly overpowering a supernatural ability through sheer aura and that was before he got giga amped by AFO and his own willpower growing exponentially stronger and it STILL couldn’t defeat OFA.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Shigaraki’s willpower was so weak compared to OFA that the first user alone could stomp him out of there vestige world. It only became even remotely a contest when AFO joined in, and that was just Nana and First, not the 6 other people that could add their power + Deku, and that was all BEFORE Deku HIMSELF grew to have a willpower that outshone all of them collectively, such that only he and Shigaraki even mattered in the ultimate final fight.

There have literally been fodder in One Piece combats that feel conquerors Haki from top tiers that do not crumble, like some of the beast pirates feeling G5 Luffy’s conquerors Haki. Big Mom is not cracking Deku or making him scared.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Wait what. Speed amps aren't allowed in matches anymore?

"Any speed equalized match, in which a major reason a character loses is due to having a disadvantage against some speed value they usually wouldn't have a disadvantage against, may not be added to profiles." ~ Versus Thread Rules

Basically it's allowed but can't be added, like stat equal matches.

 

[JoeDM021]

Deku should win due to a massive AP advantage and big mom's only major wincon being soul pocus which people listed above on why deku can negate/ignore it

She only has a chance if she amps with homies off the bat but I'm giving this to deku for now due to reasons listed above

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