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Idk final war arc Deku needs matchups after the ap nerf and it's funny to make him face another High 6-A that got nerfed to 6-B. Would do Reinhard but the low-godly resurrection ***** it up
The last time someone tried this it was a stomp due to Cecilus' big stat adv

Deku is his Final War Arc key and starts in 100%, Cecilus is his Oboreru IF key

Deku (4): CastoriceTheFifth, Epiccheev, Bruhtelho, Kaio1277999
AP: 1.12 petatons, up to 5.60 petatons with Fa Jin and Gearshift
Speed: 1.68c, far higher with Fa Jin, even higher with Gearshift and Overlay

Cecilus:
AP: At least 23.9622 teratons, likely far higher, even higher with Murasame & Masayume
Speed: At least 1.1c, higher reaction speed, far higher perception speed

AP for Cecilus doesn't really matter since he has crazy duraneg, it's the battle of speed amp slop vs skill slop (how thrilling)
 
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Deku:
AP: 1.12 petatons, up to 5.60 petatons with Fa Jin and Gearshift
Speed: 1.68c, far higher with Fa Jin, even higher with Gearshift and Overlay

Cecilus:
AP: At least 23.9622 teratons, likely far higher, even higher with Murasame & Masayume
Speed: At least 1.1c, higher reaction speed, far higher perception speed
so with the 48x ap advantage dosen't deku just one shot him?
 
so with the 48x ap advantage dosen't deku just one shot him?
Re: Zero Characters are massively skilled to the point you will need a speed advantage to fight them or some absurd ability

some of their typical feats are dodging rain particles by moving between the gaps in them and being uneffected by having all your 5 senses being cut off for instance (this in particular is performed by low tier characters who still can fight normally despite the debuff via skill and intuition).

Cecilus is far above theresia who is at the pinnacle of swordsmanship with the latter only seeing numerous flaws in the performance of skilled soldiers who practiced for years on end. There is far, far more but you get the idea
 
Re: Zero Characters are massively skilled to the point you will need a speed advantage to fight them or some absurd ability

some of their typical feats are dodging rain particles by moving between the gaps in them and being uneffected by having all your 5 senses being cut off for instance (this in particular is performed by low tier characters).

Cecilus is far above theresia who is at the pinnacle of swordsmanship with the latter only seeing numerous flaws in the performance of skilled soldiers who practiced for years on end. There is far more but you get the idea
I mean if this was normal blitz amps or smth like FTE then yeah I could see this working but aren't dekus blitz amps statue worthy?

And assuming they are wouldn't that mean he would just end the fight before he moves a cm?
 
and getting knocked clean out by a kick capable of splitting a tree
THE MAN WHO WENT TOE-TO-TOE WITH REINHARD VAN ASTREA!
Cecilus: “Regardless of being split over several days, it’s still nine-hundred hits, isn’t it? If struck that many times, even I’d die. Though, to begin with, I’ve never even considered a situation in which I’d be punched in a defenseless state, so it feels a bit like the premise would never come to fruition…”
Swiftly, he drew an arc with one long leg, targeting Cecilus’s slim body. His kick sliced through the air with not only beauty, but enough power to split a tree in half with a single blow.

“Wha—?!” With a crack like a whip, the foot that had been coming for his chest was suddenly aimed at Cecilus’s delicate neck. “…!” The impact robbed the Divine General of consciousness, and the man’s eyes rolled back in his head for a moment. The swordsman fell to the ground like a puppet with cut strings.

The empire’s strongest fighter made a thump as he collapsed. To the knights, Reinhard’s victory had never been in doubt, but the degree to which he had overwhelmed Cecilus was still a surprise.
It was easy to imagine from the scenery that was passing by at high speed, but Reinhard truly possessed extraordinary speed. In terms of speed alone, Cecilus might be faster, but unfortunately, he didn't have the strength to carry the Dragon Carriage on his back, so it seemed unlikely that a "Cecilus Running Method" would work.
 
like a puppet with cut strings
Small off topic derailment, but this is one of my pet peeves when it comes to translation

Suffering from this one line across all of Overlord
 
Ap isnt as relevant when Ceci can swing his sword and cause an aoe which cuts space and or cut Deku's point/concept.

And he has his intuition which more often than not, will tell him what the correct thing to do is.

He will know Deku is stronger than himself, and won't directly fight him, or maybe he will due to his main character syndrome... Though his insane pain tolerance, and damage reduction could somewhat mitigate that.

This isnt getting into other stuff like his perception speed where he can see himself in slow motion and do hundreds of millions of attacks, or that there is no delay between his thought and action, attack reflection etc.

To me seems like Deku would have to immediately use his amps and land a fatal blow, which immediately kills Ceci, without giving him a chance to do anything.
 
Doesn't Deku's speed steal need contact? Wouldn't he just kill him if he's able to touch him anyways
 
Deku with 2 perception blitzes and a reverse blitz amp against Cecilus. A third one if he for some reason uses overlay early. Deku also upscales and blitzes his speed value at 100%. So uh
 
since Deku's strongest suit is always speed, I'll just explain his speed amps and how they work for people who aren't knowledgeable of the verse.

To start, Deku is already a good perception blitz above his current 1.68c value at 100%, considering he should be at least somewhat comparable to the guy who completely blitzed and annihilated someone superior to the guy who did the 1.68c feat.

He has passive speed amps like Fa Jin, which works by stockpiling kinetic energy and releasing it all at once to get a massive increase in speed that can nearly statue things that he could BARELY keep up with even with a precognition-like ability giving him a heads up, and he did this at 45%. 100% would naturally be faster. Worth noting this ability can be charged with the slightest of movements like twisting and turning mid-air to dodge bullets. This was calculated to be a 24x speed increase, and I know we're not allowed to calculate multipliers like this, but it should just go to show how broken the speed amp is.

The other passive speed amp isn't really an amp per-se, it's just Danger Sense. Deku has a 6th sense that can pick up ill-intent and react accordingly. It basically gives him a heads up to any attack as soon as the attacker even thinks of attacking. A villain once stole this ability from him (Shigaraki) and was able to pre-dodge an amped Deku who was essentially invisible to his eyes. The vestige behind this power was actively not cooperating which weakened its functionality, so Deku's version of Danger Sense would naturally be superior.

Then there's Gearshift, which allows him to increase or decrease the speed of anything he touches, while ignoring the laws of inertia and essentially being a shitty form of reality warping. He can use it on objects and even other people in Low Gear to completely slow them down to the point they're practically frozen from Deku's perspective. Or he can use it on himself to increase his speed to the point he can completely perception blitz and run circles on someone who was already comparable to Deku. This ability can also be stacked on top of itself, as Deku could use it to keep blitzing the same villain who had kept adapting to Gearshift's previous speeds.

And the last ability would be Black Whip. Deku can shoot out these black-and-green tentacles out of his body (that can stretch up to hundreds of meters or possibly even kilometers) that he can use either for mobility or restraining. But that's not important here. When Deku is heavily injured to the point he can't even move his limbs, he can run Black Whip through his own muscles and tendons to puppet himself even when he's barely conscious, which is called Overlay. Overlay is a pretty slept-on ability, as it not only acts as armor, but it also increases his speed to the point where he can match Gearshift's best and consistently out-speed the person who adapted to Gearshift's top speed.

The kicker here is that Deku can pretty much stack all of this onto himself to increase his speed to an ungodly amount. Granted, it's not something he'd open up with, but blitzing is one of his primary strategies when fighting strong opponents, so it's highly likely that he'd just keep increasing his speed throughout the fight, just like he did against Shigaraki, until he eventually starts statue-ing Cecilus.

If anyone wants the scans for all of this, i'll pull them up.
 
Forgot about this thread but yeah I'ma read this through I suppose


Edit: After reading the thread I can say with confidence this is going exactly how I expected it to go
 
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Chat if the dude here is a literal statue then tagging him is lightwork
My point was tagging him is already his win-con, speed stealing would be unnecessary at that point

Edit: I gotta stop replying when I'm still waking up, you weren't even the one who brought up that lol
 
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To start, Deku is already a good perception blitz above his current 1.68c value at 100%, considering he should be at least somewhat comparable to the guy who completely blitzed and annihilated someone superior to the guy who did the 1.68c feat.
Shouldn't it be an At least value at that point?
 
Deku FRA, not only should he be superior to the 1.68c value as he scales directly to Prime All Might level characters and was putting Shigaraki on the backfoot more often than Bakugo did with Cluster despite the speed he gained with it.

not only that but Deku ALWAYS activates Gearshift alongside OFA at 100%, look at his Standard Tactics "He seeks to finish fights quickly by immediately using Gearshift," and "Deku typically starts his battles by activating One For All at its maximum available output." so Celius is gonna get perception blitzed instantly and oneshotted
 
I agree.

If the argument here is that Cecilus has no counter to the speed gap, then it's a stomp for Izuku and shouldn't be added.

How is getting perception blitzed instantly and one-shotted not automatically assumed to be stomp?
 
Would equalizing their base speed make it fairer or is it the same outcome?
 
They're so close to each other's speed that it doesn't really matter.

Izuku still perception blitzes with Gearshift.
 
I thought one of the problems is that Deku vastly upscales his base value?
 
I was going by Bruhtelho's comment.

Deku FRA, not only should he be superior to the 1.68c value as he scales directly to Prime All Might level characters and was putting Shigaraki on the backfoot more often than Bakugo did with Cluster despite the speed he gained with it.

not only that but Deku ALWAYS activates Gearshift alongside OFA at 100%, look at his Standard Tactics "He seeks to finish fights quickly by immediately using Gearshift," and "Deku typically starts his battles by activating One For All at its maximum available output." so Celius is gonna get perception blitzed instantly and oneshotted

Izuku does upscale from the 1.68c value, but I don't believe there is a perception blitz.

Izuku starts with Gearshift, which is a massive perception blitz.
 
Izuku does upscale from the 1.68c value, but I don't believe there is a perception blitz.

Izuku starts with Gearshift, which is a massive perception blitz.
thats more or less what I meant, he upscales from the 1.68c value once he goes 100% but he also activates Gearshift alongside it (just like against Shiggy) which then becomes a perception blitz, not that 100% itself was or is the perception blitz. hopefully that makes sense.
 
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