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Humans whose fists evolved to Monsterhood - Kanoh Agito vs Garou

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(Kengan upgrades means this doesn't have to be Fun and Games. Second VS Thread, here goes nothing 😤)

Fang of Metsudo: 0


Hero Hunter: 3


They go over to Saitama's for Hot Pot (Inconclusive): 1



  • Both 7-C (Hero Hunter Garou is 32 to 64 KT. Agito is 88 KT)
  • Speed is Equalized
  • Fight takes place at the Kengan Anihilation Tournament
 
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How good is Agito's adaptation?

I think Garou just redirects his attacks with 2x power and incapacitates his physical functions via hitting his pressure points.
Sl33pP4r4ly212Guy said:
(Hero Hunter Garou is 32 to 64 KT. Agito is 88 KT)
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Isn't he normally (32.12 Kilotons of TNT to possibly 303.71 Kilotons of TNT)? How does 32 to 64 work here?
 
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MrTayman616 said:
What are Agito's wincons? What makes him able to stop Garou from redirecting his attacks with 2x power and incapacitating his physical functions via hitting his pressure points.
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Fang's Formless allows him to nearly instantly adapt to his opponents style in order to create his own style to counter it or mimic it outright to best them in their own domain not unlike Garou, albeit at the cost of reaction speed. It's so unpredictable that even fighter's in Kengan that have ladders of Information Analysis and Analytical Prediction scaling, with predicting opponents up to 20 moves ahead and muscle movement prediction at the very bottom, find it extremely difficult if not impossible to comprehend his movements.
He also has Adamantine Style: Indestructible in his arsenal, which reduces damage, both blunt and piercing, by clenching his muscles.


I'm waiting for more supporters on both sides to provide arguments, especially for the skill scaling chains and whatnot.
 
Sl33pP4r4ly212Guy said:
Fang's Formless allows him to nearly instantly adapt to his opponents style in order to create his own style to counter it or mimic it outright to best them in their own domain not unlike Garou, albeit at the cost of reaction speed. It's so unpredictable that even fighter's in Kengan that have ladders of Information Analysis and Analytical Prediction scaling, with predicting opponents up to 20 moves ahead and muscle movement prediction at the very bottom, find it extremely difficult if not impossible to comprehend his movements.
He also has Adamantine Style: Indestructible in his arsenal, which reduces damage, both blunt and piercing, by clenching his muscles.


I'm waiting for more supporters on both sides to provide arguments, especially for the skill scaling chains and whatnot.
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So the two can adapt.

But only one can evolve
 
Kanoh has much better combat prediction, bordering on mind reading, resistance to combat predictions, a longer range of attacks, and a one-shot technique on which he builds successful combinations and is able to neutralize much stronger opponents by attacking muscle weaknesses. If he caught Garou at the very beginning, then he will take this match.

However, Garou has a magical style. If he dissipates the energy from the first Dragonshot, and his instinctive reaction allows him to do so, as Hatsumi did, then he will adapt to this style and redirect all other attacks. I don't know how quickly he adapts to the formless, but his RE and adaptation are many times superior to Agito's RE and adaptation. He can stretch out this fight with stamina, gradually torture Kanoh by breaking his arms during the Dragonshot just like Kuroki did, and eventually gain the upper hand.

Outcome of the battle depends on which time period Garou belongs to. At the beginning of the story, he is very arrogant and reckless. Agito has overwhelming combat experience and much better combat analysis, which will completely reduce the difference in speed, even if Garou becomes an FTE for him. If it is Garou at the time of his debut, then he is defeated. If this is Garou from the time of the battle with Orochi, then he behaves much more restrained and wins the match if he survives the first couple of minutes.
 
Garou also possesses an LS 200 times higher than Kanoh's, which completely deprives Kanoh of the ability to use wrestling.
In a certain scenario, he will even tear Fang like paper, lol
 
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Just remember how carelessly he treated TTM and the A-class heroes he fought in the alley. These fights could have ended differently if they had been strong guys.
 
NikHelton said:
Just remember how carelessly he treated TTM and the A-class heroes he fought in the alley. These fights could have ended differently if they had been strong guys.
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He did not treat his fight with TTM recklessly though? Garou got caught by one sneak attack before completely dismantling TTM. Nothing in that fight was a result of arrogance at all.

As for his fight against Golden Ball, Garou simply misjudged how inebriated he was but despite that it was still noted how he was able to avoid vital spots and dodged the attack.

I'm not too sure how relevant this specific part of your argument would be to the actual outcome of the fight.
 
Kachon123 said:
He did not treat his fight with TTM recklessly though? Garou got caught by one sneak attack before completely dismantling TTM. Nothing in that fight was a result of arrogance at all.

As for his fight against Golden Ball, Garou simply misjudged how inebriated he was but despite that it was still noted how he was able to avoid vital spots and dodged the attack.

I'm not too sure how relevant this specific part of your argument would be to the actual outcome of the fight.
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In addition, he missed two more hits.
When the TTM rammed him and one direct hit. Although Garou could easily dodge this
 
It is also important to clarify which version of Kanoh this is. In Asura, he is an arrogant asshole who often tries to fight on the opponent's battlefield and outdo them.

In Omega at the moment he is very cold-blooded and tough
 
NikHelton said:
In addition, he missed two more hits.
When the TTM rammed him and one direct hit. Although Garou could easily dodge this
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Garou's senses are strong, he's shown to be capable of understanding if an attack is strong enough to kill him or not. Garou knows he won't die against TTM's attack.
 
In any case, my position is the same. Agito has the advantage of experience, AP, One-shot technique and much better analytical abilities. If this is Agito from the current events, then he can take it away at the very beginning.

But it’s better for him to finish off Garou as quickly as possible, because if he starts to evolve, then Fang has no chance.
 
NikHelton said:
In any case, my position is the same. Agito has the advantage of experience, AP, One-shot technique and much better analytical abilities. If this is Agito from the current events, then he can take it away at the very beginning.

But it’s better for him to finish off Garou as quickly as possible, because if he starts to evolve, then Fang has no chance.
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It's End of Asura Agito (Around his fight with Gensai) vs Pre-Monsterfication Garou (Anywhere between his fight with TTM and the A-Class heroes)

Based off of this, who would you place a vote for?
 
Garou, before his transformation, is a much more calculating fighter than before, who has to evade deadly attacks and has extensive experience fighting characters who are much stronger than him physically.

During the battle, his RE and impressive acrobatics allow him to minimize such things as pre-initiative, unless he himself begins to copy it during the battle. And his power level will grow extremely fast.
A superior LS will help to dominate melee combat and probably even neutralize the Formless style.

Garou low-mid diff.
If we take the current Agito, then Garou mid diff
 
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Garou and Kanoh are basically the same character. Both can copy any martial arts technique by seeing it performed once, adapt to fighting styles, and come up with basically new styles on the drop of a dime.

In terms of skill Agito blows Garou out of the water and his skill adaptation is also better, but Garou's sheer strength development is better than Kanoh's by a longshot. It just depends on if Kanoh can one shot with Dragon Shot, which in Omega he basically spams with every blow, before Garou can grow too strong and one-shot in turn.

Garou copying Pre-Initiative or Formless is never happening if even the Fist Eye couldn't comprehend it let alone analyze it, not to mention Formless is basically Magic as well, so in terms of the "weirdness" of their skills it's basically the same. Formless literally lets you transform into water.

I think I'm going incon. They're both pretty similar characters and both have ways to take the other out for the count that could go either way.
 
azontr said:
Garou and Kanoh are basically the same character. Both can copy any martial arts technique by seeing it performed once, adapt to fighting styles, and come up with basically new styles on the drop of a dime.

In terms of skill Agito blows Garou out of the water and his skill adaptation is also better, but Garou's sheer strength development is better than Kanoh's by a longshot. It just depends on if Kanoh can one shot with Dragon Shot, which in Omega he basically spams with every blow, before Garou can grow too strong and one-shot in turn.

Garou copying Pre-Initiative or Formless is never happening if even the Fist Eye couldn't comprehend it let alone analyze it, not to mention Formless is basically Magic as well, so in terms of the "weirdness" of their skills it's basically the same. Formless literally lets you transform into water.

I think I'm going incon. They're both pretty similar characters and both have ways to take the other out for the count that could go either way.
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This is KAT Kanoh, so he doesn't use Dragonshot as much.

And given the nature of WSRSF, it will likely dispel DS damage the same way Hatsumi did, but probably more successfully.
And considering that his techniques are essentially Demonsbane at maximum, this could come back to Agito.
 
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WSRF is basically just Redirection Kata, and Kanoh easily ragdolled Ohma (whose best at Redirection) without Ohma being able to disperse the damage. Kanoh isn't specifically vulnerable to Redirection, Hatsumi is just good at it.
 
azontr said:
WSRF is basically just Redirection Kata, and Kanoh easily ragdolled Ohma (whose best at Redirection) without Ohma being able to disperse the damage. Kanoh isn't specifically vulnerable to Redirection, Hatsumi is just good at it.
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What are you talking about? He knocked Ohma out when he didn't regain all his memories and became distracted by hallucinations.
In the fight with Wakatsuki, Tokita did not really use redirection, and when he did, it was ineffective. So redirecting Garou is on another level. His style is essentially Demonsbane without the consequences.

Plus, don't forget that Garou has the Bomb technique, which can cut Kanoh into pieces and shred his internal organs
 
I think the debates were more interesting before. There were many more arguments and scans.

Nowadays it's mostly "FRA" and "Bump". As if this thread was created not to find out who is stronger, but to quickly add the result to the profile
 
NikHelton said:
I think the debates were more interesting before. There were many more arguments and scans.

Nowadays it's mostly "FRA" and "Bump". As if this thread was created not to find out who is stronger, but to quickly add the result to the profile
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Agreed. I thought there'd be more arguments on both sides seeing you and Kachon here.
 
azontr said:
Garou and Kanoh are basically the same character. Both can copy any martial arts technique by seeing it performed once, adapt to fighting styles, and come up with basically new styles on the drop of a dime.

In terms of skill Agito blows Garou out of the water and his skill adaptation is also better, but Garou's sheer strength development is better than Kanoh's by a longshot. It just depends on if Kanoh can one shot with Dragon Shot, which in Omega he basically spams with every blow, before Garou can grow too strong and one-shot in turn.

Garou copying Pre-Initiative or Formless is never happening if even the Fist Eye couldn't comprehend it let alone analyze it, not to mention Formless is basically Magic as well, so in terms of the "weirdness" of their skills it's basically the same. Formless literally lets you transform into water.

I think I'm going incon. They're both pretty similar characters and both have ways to take the other out for the count that could go either way.
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Hmm, do you think the Semi-Monstrous Garou vs Shen Wulong match will be more interesting?
 
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