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It's going to be so funny when I actually create the Shibai profile; I can place him against Soul King and watch as Ghost watches his world burn as no one except him and Lex argues for Shibai winning.
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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
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the deceiver living up to his name
Ghostimuscrime
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god I hope that doesnt happenI’m waiting for that “Kawaki = Isshiki” statement
idc much about naruto vs bleach here, ur good to go lil bro
im getting the satisfaction of shibai bullying namek & cell saga so im content with that
EDIT : before slayer and arc start tweaking out im talking about vs matchups
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You that rent freed by us huh? Shibai is highkey just running Z’s entire fade tbh, what he doesn’t pack up in stats he does with hax.
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u mean jura? and I mean.. it's jura lol. jura is still a threat to even boruto
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Maybe he means Kawaki got KO’d by Hidari?
Ghostimuscrime
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I feel like that’s wishful thinking
we still need some kinda FTL statement for the Boruto verse that’s not just vague upscaling from Shippuden. Like have Boruto perception blitz the speed of light for like a FTL+ or MFTL calc
Ghostimuscrime
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we dont need any of that, if you need to be reminded the cast is ftl~mftl every arc then quit scaling
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More consistency for FTL speed metas is only a positive
MinatoSparkle
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Was it him? Woops. Well either way, he was casual af and used more effort against Himawari
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need an otsutsuki to summon a beam of light that travels from the edge of the universe to the current location in an instant
w̶a̶t̶c̶h̶ ̶i̶k̶e̶m̶o̶t̶o̶ ̶h̶a̶v̶e̶ ̶n̶o̶b̶o̶d̶y̶ ̶e̶v̶e̶r̶ ̶s̶c̶a̶l̶e̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶i̶t̶
w̶a̶t̶c̶h̶ ̶i̶k̶e̶m̶o̶t̶o̶ ̶h̶a̶v̶e̶ ̶n̶o̶b̶o̶d̶y̶ ̶e̶v̶e̶r̶ ̶s̶c̶a̶l̶e̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶i̶t̶
Ghostimuscrime
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they've chucked out enough light speed statements for one lifetime, I think Ike/kishi can safely focus on story and forget that stuffMore consistency for FTL speed metas is only a positive
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Fair, actually they should have a character just on screen bust a planet/dimension/solar system/universe/whatever the author wants, make it empirically blatant. Still a tragedy that we didn’t get any tier 5 feats against Jigen and Isshiki on other non earth planets where they could’ve busted those planets without consequence.
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im excited for when himawari fights some more. I don't think anything so far in the TBV story has had me more hyped than when Himawari used Kurama tbh. Maybe Boruto's first use of Uzuhiko. Excited to see where this character goes moving forward
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Tier 9 Perfect Susano'o haunts me to this day.
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Ngl I read this too fast and thought you said “busted on those planets”
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Same thing
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Jura:
- Stat Stick
- Mokuton
- TBB Variations
- Claw Marks
- Flight
- Wad of Cash
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Don't forget universal pull.
Ghostimuscrime
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redundant me thinks
etso by itself is the destruction of a spacetime continuum and we have stronger entities than that
if you intend for characters to be tier 6 are you gonna keep showing several tier 8 feats? ofc not
"but i dont believe etso is anything past tier 5" well then we can trust that youd discard those other 5B feats in the same way
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I was talking to Shadow the other day about this. I think it'd be super cool if we see him perform more advanced variants of established Bijuu/Jinchuriki abilities. So stuff like chakra arms and chakra avatars, but on steroids. Essentially a chakra-based Green Lantern lol.
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I don’t agree that the ETSO is destroying a spacetime continuum. But either way that feat never occurs on screen. My post was moreso saying it’d be NICE to see on screen feats, rather than it needing to be a necessity.
What other 5-B feats are you referencing explicitly? I think you’d be surprised to find my tier 5 Naruto scaling isn’t “everything less than 5-B” as you like to claim. I also fail to see how me having ETSO at tier 5 logically entails I’d discard every other 5-B argument, but ik y’all make me out as the Naruto boogeyman so in that respect I can understand your misplaced pessimism.
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i mean no-one really cares about the base version of shibai as there is barely anything about him, it's his transcended state that matters which is unknown.
Ghostimuscrime
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you do realize its impossible to show tier 2 or higher stuff on screen
everything past 3B requires you to be a statement merchant
but if you want it to be ultra blatant with characters outright saying "Jura qualifies for tier 1A under vsbw tierying system using 2024 standards!"
sure it would technically be "nice" to have that but me personally think wishing for feats in a concluded story is a waste of time, when I read boruto I wish for quantifiable stuff for the speed things and shibai scale drops as he is being built up, shippuden however? its finished
gone eternally, give up fanfics of them wiping out planets and focus on already existing feats, sometimes a series can have a gold mine worth of scaling without people ever realizing because they don't dig deep enough, I never knew my T1 had valid tier 1 one stuff until this year despite loving it for decades
naruto boogeyman? really dude?
I see you as nothing more than a bleach guy who does naruto and happens to be good at calcs
anyways if you can think etso is 5B overtime you can also have unique opinions on other feats
Ghostimuscrime
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speaking of feats, I think Naruto did a good job in being consistent with their speed stuff
even if someone kicked out light fang there's like 10 different strong metas that can bring it back to the same tier or higher
even if someone kicked out light fang there's like 10 different strong metas that can bring it back to the same tier or higher
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Not at all. You can artistically depict a timeline being destroyed.
Naw that’s not what I said I wanted. Honestly it’s pretty clear what I said would be nice. Bewilders me that you can somehow still misrepresent what I said.
Ah I see where some miscommunication is lol I’m also talking about Boruto. My other comment was a retrospective comment, like obviously we’re not going to see Naruto and Isshiki destroy a planet/dimension/universe right that’s long passed. I like seeing big ooga booga feats tho and would’ve LIKED to have seen that when they fought.
T1? Transformers? Anyway, yeah I like talking about series as they were, are, and will be. So I’m not going to cease all retrospective talk.
Appreciate the compliment
That is certainly one of many many many possibilities.
Here’s some of my “unique” takes (it’s really not lol): I think ~5-B Juubito with the Nunoboko is a valid interpretation tbh, I don’t think tier 5 Kurama (pre six paths) is a bad take, I think Toneri can have a valid 5-B attack specifically with Light of Justice, and I don’t think MAS > ETSO is inherently wrong. In all honesty my personal Naruto scaling is higher than vsbw’s accepted scaling. I don’t believe I “discard” all other 5-B feats at all
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It doesn’t help that Ikemoto has such ass art compared to Kishimoto, but man that design blows
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As Son Goku-sama once said, "If I don't, who will?!"
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Not at all. You can artistically depict a timeline being destroyed.
Naw that’s not what I said I wanted. Honestly it’s pretty clear what I said would be nice. Bewilders me that you can somehow still misrepresent what I said.
Ah I see where some miscommunication is lol I’m also talking about Boruto. My other comment was a retrospective comment, like obviously we’re not going to see Naruto and Isshiki destroy a planet/dimension/universe right that’s long passed. I like seeing big ooga booga feats tho and would’ve LIKED to have seen that when they fought.
T1? Transformers? Anyway, yeah I like talking about series as they were, are, and will be. So I’m not going to cease all retrospective talk.
Appreciate the compliment
That is certainly one of many many many possibilities.
Here’s some of my “unique” takes (it’s really not lol): I think ~5-B Juubito with the Nunoboko is a valid interpretation tbh, I don’t think tier 5 Kurama (pre six paths) is a bad take, I think Toneri can have a valid 5-B attack specifically with Light of Justice, and I don’t think MAS > ETSO is inherently wrong. In all honesty my personal Naruto scaling is higher than vsbw’s accepted scaling. I don’t believe I “discard” all other 5-B feats at all
Basically Anything above 5-B is definitely a no-go. It’s no surprise you pushed so hard for Uzuhiko Cap. That said, I don’t think your scaling is all that bad. Even Lord Griffin admitted that he once had the god-tiers at island level, and I’m sure there are still plenty of people who do. My main issue is that we can’t just let that kind of mindset dictate the scaling for god-tier characters, especially when it’s going to be showcased on the most prominent and widely recognized VS wiki out there.
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What kind of mindset are you referring to? Cuz 1) I’m not against ANYTHING being above 5-B (I think Baryon Mode Naruto, Isshiki, and Shibai being tier 4 is fine), 2) I got Jura above the Uzuhiko (which means very soon when characters start scaling to and surpassing Jura, like Boruto and Kawaki and Code will, they’ll be like 5-A etc etc), and 3) I think it’s fine for characters weaker than the Uzuhiko to be around baseline 5-B (I have Uzuhiko over 10x stronger than baseline 5-B, so it’s not like I think it’s a blanket no character can be that tier cap in my eyes). All that being said, yes I don’t believe characters weaker than the Uzuhiko should be beyond 5-B with the CURRENT information, that is to say I’m not adopting a stubborn unable to be changed mindset.
Ghostimuscrime
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youd need to prove its a timeline and not a collage of their best moments
you also cant prove its the whole timeline being erased as opposed to bits of it
and no its not possible to show uncountably infinite snapshots of a universal model
your idea of this is relying on a lot of generous assumptions
where as i can say i busted a space time continuum ggs
you want on screen planet busting like its dragon ball, I think the characters are intended at tier 2, that's our very simple difference
well naruto is not a series that focuses on that, its a strategy based battle shonen kind of like jojos
if you want ooga booga stuff watch dragon ball or pick up some marvel comic
Percy Jackson, had believed everyone were island level fodders for years until I joined test's server and saw blatant infinite ***** statements, I was shook
uh cool set of opinions, I guess not like I said you were incapable of scaling naruto high
since you dont seem to be in a rush I'll use this to ask what I didnt in the shibai thread
why do you think shibais creation feats are planets strictly
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This is one of the best depictions of a god-like being I have ever seen. Ikemeto did an excellent job with this design. I also disagree with the notion that his designs are lacking. Fused Momoshiki’s design, in particular, stands out as one of the best villain designs I’ve ever come across.It doesn’t help that Ikemoto has such ass art compared to Kishimoto, but man that design blows
Ghostimuscrime
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tbh this is a more vsbw issue of forcing naruto to stay locked in tier 5 rather than arc
technically hes tried to get naruto higher than tier 5 in multiple occasions, even putting in the work in his more ancient crts
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I disagree that you can’t get creative and portray it visually, sure not in a literal sense of “this is what a timeline irl looks like”. Since we as 3D people cannot truly perceive the 4D (which if that’s what you’re getting at sure that’s fine). I will give you that statements are easier lol, especially direct ones.
I agree
Oh I’m aware, although Naruto does have a lot of big boom feats. Summoning dozens of massive meteors, creating moons, throwing moons, splitting moons in two, etc. so I certainly get my ooga booga fix from Naruto.
Yeah I feel like a lot of series probably have untapped troves just due to not being as popular for powerscaling as your common DBZ, marvel, Big 3, etc.
Thanks?
The tldr is that I believe the statement is contextualized to planets based on Momoshiki’s spiel. I can pull out the scans and go over them in more depth later if you want.
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Even a blind squirrel finds a nut. For what it’s worth, Ikemoto’s Fused Momo looks more aesthetic with more aura, but I like the philosophy behind Kishimoto’s Fused Momo design better, but Ike’s looks better on the eyes.
As far as the Otsutsuki god uh we can agree to disagree lol, I think Hagoromo did the “ascendant god” look so much better. The Otsutsuki god looks like a bad marvel villain imo
Ghostimuscrime
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you can say one of them is better without having to put a hard working artist down, I can promise you it's not going to hurt to respect the manIt doesn’t help that Ikemoto has such ass art compared to Kishimoto, but man that design blows
he's also improved several designs from the naruto series that looked terrible using his own style, I love the way he stylizes old and original characters
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Edit: current Ikemoto is much better than he was at the start of Boruto tho so he has improved
