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Aslan High 1-A Upgrade

VeryGoofyToddler2 said:
Aslan Country - High 1-A(The real version of Narnia where the entire design of all Narnia starts from it. Itself is just a shadow of the true Narnia since all version of the Countries are reflections of Aslan's true country where he resides with the Emperor beyond time and law)
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Isnt true narnia will be meta-meta qualitative superior. But if true narnia are some kind like the empyrean from divine comedy where God dwell in, i think it will be high 1A+ since it is the "true form" of a high 1A structure, it not just some higher hierarchy
 
Fixxed said:
Isnt true narnia will be meta-meta qualitative superior. But if true narnia are some kind like the empyrean from divine comedy where God dwell in, i think it will be high 1A+ since it is the "true form" of a high 1A structure, it not just some higher hierarchy
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We could rename it “Aslan’s Mountains” as opposed to Aslan’s Country, I guess.
 
Coming here for a bit to address this.

VeryGoofyToddler2 said:
I had to make sure that there was a Narnia revision going on, but here are some extra things to look over.

Narnia(Qualitative Hierarchy):​

Narnia was brought out from the darkness in which he lands were begetton by a beautiful voices. When later Narnia itself was brought upon the voice of Aslan in the raw empty land- The Magic Nephew

Very well put that this “other world” alongside the parallel of all worlds are entirely inaccessible by any boundaries of traversing any distance in the normal Universe - The Magic Nephew

The layering of worlds in Narnia are like that of onion layers which each layer being more real and more beautiful than the last and applies to every version of Narnia. - The Last Battle

All of Narnia is shadow of the true Narnia which is a shadow of what enemantes from the mountain ranges in Aslan’s Country. Which an analogy to think about is that of Plato. Essentially, a shadow or a dream-like thing from the true Narnia. - The Last Battle

Deep Magic and Deeper Magic(During the creation of Narnia and prior to the creation of Narnia and Aslan’s Country):​

The Deep Magic encompasses all of Narnia inscribes by the Emepror-Beyond-The-Sea. This law pervades all things including the physical form of Aslan and it was written during the very beginning when the stars, worlds, and planets were being made by the voices. - The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe

The Deeper Magic predates Time, it can undo the effects of the Deep Magic, if nothing was truly broken. It can reverse Death and was there before the creation of Narnia or the existence of Aslan’s Country. - The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe

Aslan Country(Allegory of Heaven):​

Aslan’s Land exist beyond the eastern ends of the worlds, all the seas of Narnia, and is the place where Aslan emanated all of Narnia. It also can not be reached by any means even the resident of Narnia - Narnia; Prince Caspian and The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe and The Voyage of Dawn Treader.

Aslan Country’s is a mimic of the True Narnia just more beautiful and beyond it as well. It holds an array of mountains that are too tall to see the top and each Country exist themselves at the top of the mountain where you “metaphorically” climb. Like the worlds of Narnia, Aslan is present there, but everything there is emanated by Aslan when the resident of Narnia can choose between him or the False Aslan and enter the realm of Tash. - The Last Battle

Aslan the Lion & The Emperor Above the Sea:​

Aslan real country is realer than all the worlds and all Narnia layers. All of true Narnia as well as each paradise on the mountaintop chains are themselves shadows of the truest Narnia. One where Aslan resides is timeless and in eternal unison with his father, the Emperor-Beyond-The-Sea.

No one dares question the Emperor, not even Aslan. The Emeperor magic set in motion all of Narnia and it’s law. It exist outside of time and Narnia and all versions of lower Narnia and Aslan’s Country. Representation of God, the Father. - The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe

Tiering:​

Narnia - 1-A+(It’s baseline level of existence is inaccessible outside its magic from the normal Universe, typically open to young children as a lesson to learn about God in Lion flesh)

Aslan Country - High 1-A(The real version of Narnia where the entire design of all Narnia starts from it. Itself is just a shadow of the true Narnia since all version of the Countries are reflections of Aslan's true country where he resides with the Emperor beyond time and law)

Aslan - High 1-A+(The medium that the Emepror works through. God the Father sent himself in God the Son reflects the authority of the Emperor to use a physical shell within Narnia and lower Aslan’s Country)

Emperor Beyond the Sea - 0(God that exists beyond time where all of Narnia law’s and creatures are set in motion by him. He exist eternally in the true Aslan Land with his son)
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Are you saying regular Narnia is 1-A? If so, then, yeah, that's obviously pretty stupid. The scans don't seem to suggest that anywhere, either.

High 1-A is weak for the same reasons as the ones articulated earlier and Tier 0 even moreso. There's absolutely nothing going for the latter beyond "The Emperor is above everything." Hard no from me.
 
Ultima_Reality said:
Coming here for a bit to address this.


Are you saying regular Narnia is 1-A? If so, then, yeah, that's obviously pretty stupid. The scans don't seem to suggest that anywhere, either.

High 1-A is weak for the same reasons as the ones articulated earlier and Tier 0 even moreso. There's absolutely nothing going for the latter beyond "The Emperor is above everything." Hard no from me.
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I... don't think calling someone's reasoning stupid is called for, but ok, not really my place or business. What do you agree with about Aslan being 1-A or 1-A+ then ?
 
I think Wood Between Worlds is where 1-A starts, and then there is infinite layers of R>F after that. I will admit my sense of judgement regarding High 1-A is over my head however. Though would some quotations discussed here change anything?

Separating Emperor over the Seas from Aslan also wouldn't make sense if they're trilogy. Otherwise, both + Breath of the Lion are also the same for Tier 0.
 
Ultima_Reality said:
Are you saying regular Narnia is 1-A? If so, then, yeah, that's pretty stupid. The scans don't seem to suggest that anywhere, either.
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I'm talking about the multitude of Narnia layering. All reflections of the true Narnia which the scans do adhere to.
Ultima_Reality said:
High 1-A is weak for the same reasons as the ones articulated earlier and Tier 0 even moreso. There's absolutely nothing going for the latter beyond "The Emperor is above everything." Hard no from me.
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Not really? Everything is a shadow of the true Narnia. All those mountain ranges are the equivalent of individual paradise and the perfection of what Narnia is beyond the physical one we see. All that as well as all the Narnia is a reflection of Aslan country.

The namesake isn't random. The Mountain ranges beyond the world are just a perfect reflection of Narnia's worlds. This is evident. They're still things like “land, river, and many more” just more beautiful and more profound because all of it is formed from Aslan Country. This is why the Emperor exists beyond the “Sea” he exists beyond all the shapes of all those things. Nothing is physical in the realm where he resides unlike Narnia or the Mountains where the true Narnia is purely conceptual and the purest form of Narnia.
 
Ultima_Reality said:
Coming here for a bit to address this.


Are you saying regular Narnia is 1-A? If so, then, yeah, that's obviously pretty stupid. The scans don't seem to suggest that anywhere, either.

High 1-A is weak for the same reasons as the ones articulated earlier and Tier 0 even moreso. There's absolutely nothing going for the latter beyond "The Emperor is above everything." Hard no from me.
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If Ultima disagrees, I do as well. My apologies. 🙏
 
Antvasima said:
If Ultima disagrees, I do as well. My apologies. 🙏
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That seems a bit biased unless I'm missing some sort of doctrine proving that “Ultima is infallible and always right.” If he can't disprove of my argument and I've reread the source material multiple to confirm then perhaps you should wait.
 
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We would appreciate some input here. 🙏

Antvasima

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Antvasima said:
If Ultima disagrees, I do as well. My apologies. 🙏
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VeryGoofyToddler2 said:
That seems a bit biased unless I'm missing some sort of doctrine proving that “Ultima is infallible and always right.” If he can't disprove of my argument and I've reread the source material multiple to confirm then perhaps you should wait.
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@Ultima_Reality

What statistics do you think seem warranted here? 🙏
 
VeryGoofyToddler2 said:
I plan to revise Narnia according to out current tiering standards. No offense, but this thread hardly covers anything and is poorly done. So, if we were to upgrade Aslan then I prefer we wait until I do the revision.
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Okay. Should we close this thread and wait for your own then? 🙏
 
Which staff members have agreed? I think that it seems better to wait for a better structured revision. 🙏
 
Oh. That is very different then. It seems best to simply later create a content revision thread that, if necessary, modifies the currently accepted ones in that case.

What the other staff members here have all agreed about can probably be applied now then. 🙏
 
Antvasima said:
Oh. That is very different then. It seems best to simply later create a content revision thread that, if necessary, modifies the currently accepted ones in that case.

What the other staff members here have all agreed about can probably be applied now then. 🙏
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I'm talking to Ultima about it but try to tag him here again.
 
To be specific, Ultima agreed with 1-A cosmology; but is skeptical about High 1-A cosmology. As for Tier 0, I personally believe Aslan, Emperor over the Sea, and Breath of the Lion as a Trinity are magnum opus of Tier 0; but I can understand if the main OP proposal was a weak reasoning hence why Ultima was also skeptical. I think 1-A+ stuff should still be valid if those had enough agreement, but a thread refresher should preferably be made to tackle Tier 0 God tier with three keys and/or High 1-A stuff. I'm not High 1-A expert, so cannot comment on that and appeal to experts, but as I mentioned; I think Tier 0 is on table.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
To be specific, Ultima agreed with 1-A cosmology; but is skeptical about High 1-A cosmology. As for Tier 0, I personally believe Aslan, Emperor over the Sea, and Breath of the Lion as a Trinity are magnum opus of Tier 0; but I can understand if the main OP proposal was a weak reasoning hence why Ultima was also skeptical. I think 1-A+ stuff should still be valid if those had enough agreement, but a thread refresher should preferably be made to tackle Tier 0 God tier with three keys and/or High 1-A stuff. I'm not High 1-A expert, so cannot comment on that and appeal to experts, but as I mentioned; I think Tier 0 is on table.
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The problem with 0 isn't due to the fact that it's skeptical. There's just not enough information about the true state of Aslan/Emperor. I think High 1-A suffice at the very least.
 
What does Ultima currently need to evaluate here? 🙏
 
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Okay. The low end can probably be applied then, unless any staff members here object to it. 🙏
 
Now that I think about it everything can be handled here. Ultima simply needs to comment while we discuss the main premise, that being Aslan being High 1-A.
 
Antvasima said:
What does Ultima currently need to evaluate here? 🙏
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The_King_of_Prudence said:
Honestly? Nothing. He misunderstood a mention of true Narnia as referring to regular Narnia, but he's otherwise on board with the low-end, which is all they all agree on.
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Antvasima said:
Okay. The low end can probably be applied then, unless any staff members here object to it. 🙏
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VeryGoofyToddler2 said:
Now that I think about it everything can be handled here. Ultima simply needs to comment while we discuss the main premise, that being Aslan being High 1-A.
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@Ultima_Reality
 
Antvasima said:
Your help would be very appreciated here.
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From how I understand the system, which could be wrong, 1-A is based on being on a different and fundamentally higher framework than something else. Which is where you get the Real-Unreal comparison from. 1-A can then be layered in a framework or system, with High 1-A being beyond that framework. With High 1-A+ and 0 being how things originate in existence from those particular things.

So with that said I think 1-A+ is supported by the Onion Layers and the mountain example. But unless Aslan has statements that have his true form be the originating point of all things that defines and sets all creation, I don't see how you can get High 1-A or higher from what the OP provided. Even with your later example, it seems like reality is far to layered to really justify High 1-A, but I could see The Emperor Above the See getting a higher rating with more evidence.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
So with that said I think 1-A+ is supported by the Onion Layers and the mountain example. But unless Aslan has statements that have his true form be the originating point of all things that defines and sets all creation, I don't see how you can get High 1-A or higher from what the OP provided. Even with your later example, it seems like reality is far to layered to really justify High 1-A, but I could see The Emperor Above the See getting a higher rating with more evidence.
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Aslan and the Emperor should be High 1-A only. The latter lacks information about anything higher although that was what the OP proposed.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
From how I understand the system, which could be wrong, 1-A is based on being on a different and fundamentally higher framework than something else. Which is where you get the Real-Unreal comparison from. 1-A can then be layered in a framework or system, with High 1-A being beyond that framework. With High 1-A+ and 0 being how things originate in existence from those particular things.

So with that said I think 1-A+ is supported by the Onion Layers and the mountain example. But unless Aslan has statements that have his true form be the originating point of all things that defines and sets all creation, I don't see how you can get High 1-A or higher from what the OP provided. Even with your later example, it seems like reality is far to layered to really justify High 1-A, but I could see The Emperor Above the See getting a higher rating with more evidence.
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VeryGoofyToddler2 said:
Aslan and the Emperor should be High 1-A only. The latter lacks information about anything higher although that was what the OP proposed.
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Have any other staff members here accepted any new ratings, and if so, what? 🙏
 
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