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Dragon Ball Daima Spoiler Discussion Thread

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Base Goku scaling is pretty interesting after this episode

He could hang with Tamagami 3 in base for a while with him even saying " Not bad"

Base Goku also could find the dragonball Tamagami threw away when Supreme kai said he couldn't keep up with the speed tamagami was moving the cups at
 
So this was a great episode with an interesting twist and lore change. I like that the story is expanding on Majin Buu's origins and retconning the original concept that he was alive since time immemorial. It makes me curious just how strong this new Majin Buu will be.

I'm also glad that we have a good estimate for the Tamagami's power. We can see Tamagami Three could hold his own against SSJ Kid Goku, and it's only against SSJ2 Goku's Kamehameha that he was overwhelmed. Even then, the Tamagami could still deflect the Kamehameha's trajectory with great effort and was caught off-guard by SSJ2 Goku's follow-up punch. From this, I think it's safe to say that Tamagami Three is either around Perfect Cell level or possibly SSJ2 Gohan/Super Perfect Cell level. SSJ2 Buu Arc Goku was established to be stronger than SSJ2 Gohan, though it's still unclear how much weaker the wish made Goku. I'm sure the next two Tamagami will be even stronger, but I enjoyed the fight we got.
 
I'm curious on how the new supposedly stronger Majin Buu will be conceptualized. Will Super Saiyan 3 Goku is enough to deal with it or a brand new fusion will be unveiled by using rhe Fusion Bugs they acquired earlier...

Also, it's pretty funny to think a normal Goku would probably beat the Tamagami Three by just in Super Saiyan, since we don't know how strong this Goku normally and how much weaker is he compared to his normal self
 
Lawyerr said:
-To travel to the second Demon World, they need to go to Warp-sama. Separate universe for each world?
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Not necessarily, remember that there were several Warp-sama in universe 7, and that there is a barrier between demon worlds.
 
CiscoTheSoto said:
Might sound funny on-paper, but personally I think it'd just be stupid. It would make the entire wish Gomah made for nothing and just give Goku a power boost just because.
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Daima is 9 months after the Buu Saga and Goku is referred to as the strongest in the universe at the start of most episodes. Adult Daima Goku scales above Ultimate Gohan.

So Post-Wish Daima Goku could be stronger than he was in the Buu Saga and still be much weaker than he is as an adult.
 
CryoTheMayo said:
Daima is 9 months after the Buu Saga and Goku is referred to as the strongest in the universe at the start of most episodes. Adult Daima Goku scales above Ultimate Gohan.

So Post-Wish Daima Goku could be stronger than he was in the Buu Saga and still be much weaker than he is as an adult.
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I kinda hate to keep saying this but, daima is clearing going with the scaling that kids buu was above buuhan and everything thay came before and SS3 would still have been capable of beating him
 
Darkmon_cns said:
I kinda hate to keep saying this but, daima is clearing going with the scaling that kids buu was above buuhan and everything thay came before and SS3 would still have been capable of beating him
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Even if that's the case it's still a 9 month timeskip. So Goku is likely significantly stronger.
 
Tots_Real said:
Shin is sitting right next to them and he uses both, why didn't he just correct them?
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He did correct her, after Glorio's and Goku's fight, Panzy said "wow I didn't know you used Magic aswell"...that after Goku turned SSJ and focused a bit of ki on his hand, then Shin replies and says "It's not actually magic"....Watch episodie 7 carefully and you will see, just pay attention
 
CryoTheMayo said:
Daima is 9 months after the Buu Saga and Goku is referred to as the strongest in the universe at the start of most episodes. Adult Daima Goku scales above Ultimate Gohan.

So Post-Wish Daima Goku could be stronger than he was in the Buu Saga and still be much weaker than he is as an adult.
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Going by our scaling Adult Daima Base Goku would one shot Buu Saga SSJ3 Goku LOL
 
If Daima takes in the same timeline as DBZ Kai which goes into the DBS Anime wouldn't this mean that pre-Daima Goku is like 2-C?
 
Lawyerr said:
Bibidi created Buu in Z as said by the Supreme Kai, but it's now revealed he went to Marba to get her to create Majin Buu. Buu was not considered a successs as he went on a rampage in the Demon Realm.

So kinda? But it's more like a reveal then anything else.
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Huh. That's kinda lame IMO.
 
Damage3245 said:
Huh. That's kinda lame IMO.
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Personally, I really liked the idea that Buu was the equivalent of a Dragon Ball cosmic horror that Toriyama stated back in the Twel-Boo Interview. An always existent malevolent entity, older than creation and time, born from the collective negativity of mortal kind to wreak havoc across the cosmos without any capacity for higher thought. That’s just me, though.

EDIT: I also thought it was something that elevated Black’s arc, too. A creature made by mortals natural evil, for evil. Proving that, to some degree, (which we all acknowledge already) Zamasu WAS correct.
 
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Padaruyos said:
If Daima takes in the same timeline as DBZ Kai which goes into the DBS Anime wouldn't this mean that pre-Daima Goku is like 2-C?
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It's more than likely canon to the manga than it is to the anime, so if we ever made profiles for it it'd be for the manga continuity
 
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Ednaxel2 said:
It's more than likely canon to the manga than it is to the anime, so if we ever made profiles for it it'd be for the manga continuity
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Canon to both the super anime and manga unless proven otherwise. Because that is how the series has worked for near a decade.
 
RedReaper616 said:
Personally, I really liked the idea that Buu was the equivalent of a Dragon Ball cosmic horror that Toriyama stated back in the Twel-Boo Interview. An always existent malevolent entity, older than creation and time, born from the collective negativity of mortal kind to wreak havoc across the cosmos without any capacity for higher thought. That’s just me, though.

EDIT: I also thought it was something that elevated Black’s arc, too. A creature made by mortals natural evil, for evil. Proving that, to some degree, (which we all acknowledge already) Zamasu WAS correct.
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I think it's actually still possible for this to be true. We don't know the full details of how Buu was originally made and Arinsu is creating a new Buu by using a Buu sample, rather than making him from scratch.

So Buu could still very well be derived from this cosmic horror. The witch simply creating a vessel for the evils of mortalkind to inhabit. Hell, it's even possible that the Buu we see is just one tiny fraction of the real deal.

Obviously what I just said is mere conjecture. But I do think it's possible for Daima or a later DB story to combine the two origins into one.
 
Malevolence has always existed, but it was given form, given an avatar, when Buu was created.

That's my head canon
 
CryoTheMayo said:
I think it's actually still possible for this to be true. We don't know the full details of how Buu was originally made and Arinsu is creating a new Buu by using a Buu sample, rather than making him from scratch.

So Buu could still very well be derived from this cosmic horror. The witch simply creating a vessel for the evils of mortalkind to inhabit. Hell, it's even possible that the Buu we see is just one tiny fraction of the real deal.

Obviously what I just said is mere conjecture. But I do think it's possible for Daima or a later DB story to combine the two origins into one.
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Personally, I’m thinking (if that’s the case) it’s that the witch knew the summoning Spell. Originally, according to Toriyama, as Buu always existed, Bibidi’s “creation” spell was merely him using a Summoning spell. Considering how Marba twitched and how evasive she was when Arinsu accused her, (hinting to some form of deception), it could be that all Marba did was tell Bibidi the means of Summoning Buu.
 
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RedReaper616 said:
Personally, I’m thinking (if that’s the case) it’s that the witch knew the summoning Spell. Originally, according to Toriyama, as Buu always existed, Bibidi’s “creation” spell was merely him using a Summoning spell. Considering how Marba twitched and how evasive she was when Arinsu accused her, (hinting to some form of deception), it could be that all Marba did was tell Bibidi the means of Summoning Buu.
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Marba simply knowing the method to summon him would make sense. Otherwise you would think she could simply make a new Buu and that Arinsu wouldn't need a Buu sample to create a new one. Sure, it's probably easier with a sample but the idea stands. Arinsu even says she can't make majins and that's why she needs her help. The narrative implies Marba is the only mage in all existence that can create them and it seems a bit weird that only she would be capable out of all beings in existence.

The question is if Arinsu would actually know that Marba simply summoned Buu or if she's in the dark as well. If she actually knows then that'd explain why she was intent on getting a sample instead of just trying to get Marba to make a new one.
 
CryoTheMayo said:
The question is if Arinsu would actually know that Marba simply summoned Buu or if she's in the dark as well. If she actually knows then that'd explain why she was intent on getting a sample instead of just trying to get Marba to make a new one.
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I think she’s in the dark. I mean, why else would she accuse Marba of making him? Not to mention, it’s implied Arinsu has attempted it multiple times prior without the sample and with Marba’s help. Given she’s only accused her now, that implies she waited to make sure of her accusation, despite being aware of and acting on the rumor (hence contacting Marba).

At least, that’s how it seems to me.

EDIT: The sample could be based on what meager defense Marba is hiding behind—“It was a fluke,”—And simply her trying to fulfill an unattainable goal (creating a second Buu for Arinsu, the dangerous scientist woman, after establishing her own immense reputation on accident).
 
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CryoTheMayo said:
Marba simply knowing the method to summon him would make sense. Otherwise you would think she could simply make a new Buu and that Arinsu wouldn't need a Buu sample to create a new one. Sure, it's probably easier with a sample but the idea stands. Arinsu even says she can't make majins and that's why she needs her help. The narrative implies Marba is the only mage in all existence that can create them and it seems a bit weird that only she would be capable out of all beings in existence.

The question is if Arinsu would actually know that Marba simply summoned Buu or if she's in the dark as well. If she actually knows then that'd explain why she was intent on getting a sample instead of just trying to get Marba to make a new one.
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Suggesting Marba merely summoed Buu is pure speculation, by now, the official statement is that Marba created him, we just can't create our own theories in regards a blatant confirmation
 
It never made any sense for casual dabura just being as strong as normal cell and not the most powerful versions and this debunks Beerus woonky statements of Freeza and Goku

sometimes we should turn off powerscaling brain and view it from the perspective of a reader

lets go daiama
 
Ruphas_Mafahl123 said:
More than debunk, I would say it retcons them
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I see it more as a "soft" recton since it was just bullshit right from the beginning.

Beerus was just unimpressed with Goku. Bro even said that Gokus big ass SSJ boost is kids game.

or in other words: Beerus is like someone who got millions of trillion dollars notes. Everyone in the 100,1000,10.000,100.000,100.000.000 range aint impressive and is in the same tier according to him.
 
Jinsama said:
I see it more as a "soft" recton since it was just bullshit right from the beginning.

Beerus was just unimpressed with Goku. Bro even said that Gokus big ass SSJ boost is kids game.

or in other words: Beerus is like someone who got millions of trillion dollars notes. Everyone in the 100,1000,10.000,100.000,100.000.000 range aint impressive and is in the same tier according to him.
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Being real I never understood the idea base Goku didn't surpass Frieza by the time he first met Beerus

As ya mentioned he prob thought Goku wasn't anything impressive from a glance and shit
 
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