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The NLF is presupposing info hax can interact with ND/TD without feats of affecting such things.
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Strongest 5-D Characters on the Wiki
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ND/TD just makes you immune to things, by virtue of not having the duality associated to those things, you need to prove you are nondual/transdual to that thing.
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ND/TD page quite literally says all things unless they have feats of affecting ND/TD.
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It's not a NLF either. It's like saying Abstract Existence is immune against all hax that dont possess feats of being able to interact with it. So Tensura cant do shit.
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And I want you to look at the 2nd part. If Tensura doesn't have feats of being able to interact then nope.
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i already did
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I am not arguing specifically for tensura here. And I did look at the 2nd part. But you can't ignore how it specifically mentions "the dualities in question" and "On an entire reality"
Saying they would be immune to everything below it doesn't make sense. What you are debating for, are the properties of Type 3, not Type 2.
It is no different than claiming someone with Concept manipulation immunity would also be immune to Plot manipulation.
While both are metaphysical aspects and can have the same function, they don't grant immunity toward similar hax.
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Anyways I asked DT so he'll solve this issue if he answers ig.
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No idea XD
That will be very helpful.
Thank you for that, since it will clear things up, regardless of which one of us is correct.
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The reason why TD is immune to things that covered by dualities is because TD is superior to dualities.
You're the one making the positive claim that SPT characters have immunity to a power not covered by the dualities in question in the first place.
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So uh, can tensura characters do anything when their ability to change has been erased to a beyond baseline NEP2 degree?
Because they all get erased to that passively against TLQ
this shouldn't even be a discussion even without the low 1-A/1-A stuff because they should have aca type 5 either way
Because they all get erased to that passively against TLQ
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If we are talking about Rimuru.
•Rimuru's mind, soul, thoughts, and skills are composed of type 2 information, so TLQ cannot erase them. Rimuru continues to exist even if causality erased, with feats behind his BDE Type 1, Acausality Type 1, 4. Even if TLQ erases Rimuru's conceptual self, Rimuru can regenerate himself.
•Unless Rimuru is erased at the same time as Veldora, who is in an isolated space from the Low 1-C structure, Veldora can resurrect Rimuru.
•Again, thought-based can stop time in all of the countless Low 1-C worlds, all of which are acausal to each other.
It appeares though it is passive, the time period for the process is uncertain. So:
•Rimuru can go to another Low 1-C structure with his immeasurable perception speed and thought based extradimensional travel and he can then nuke the SPT cosmology at information type 2 level.
Other characters may have other disadvantages and advantages over Rimuru.
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IIrc, after the recent CRT from DT, Nondual is mostly useless now, it require the verse to specific what nondual does in the verse, like Aca 4 nowaday. Transdual however stay the same as before, mean you need feat of interacting with Transdual type 2 and 3
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BB have infinite x countless layers of hax, so they stomp all in Low 1-C, except What a Beautiful Series with Aca 5, Slay the Princess should probably share that #1 spot with Transdual 2, still like @Phoenks said, they should be at least Low 1-A
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He changed his mind after playing the game
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Type 1 already grants them protection to the destruction of their own cosmology. It does not matter how powerfull DC is because they would still be alive if their opponent cant interact with them and they are disconnected from its space time reality
I am just saying nuking whole cosmology isnt an instant win sometimes you have to look at the opponent hax just like you having a higher dimensional ap or durability does not mean you are immune to lower dimensional hax
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I didn't realize it because when I quote someone, unlike you, I always state whose opinion I'm quoting belongs to.you do realize you just said an admin doesn't know the difference between type 2 info and type 1 info right
coz i copy pasted what an admin said
(cuz everyone can be wrong)
But I wouldn't care if I realized.
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Did you read the BDE page??, it doesn't grant you anything aside from immune to space-time hax and aca 1 because you lack space-time feature, it doesn't make you uninteractable. A 3D character could be BDE1 due to lacking space-time feature and still getting nuked along with the cosmology
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Which isnt true. BDE is a state of existence where you lack spacial temporal feature which means even if you destroy the universe you exist in you will still not be affected at all. Unless said character is able to destroy a void which is something lacking of space time it self
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So yeah my point still does not change
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How do u explain the logic then ? Blowing up space times will not affect bde characters which the wiki has already mentioned which is in context referring to characters who lack space and time
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Sorry but what the page say > what you say
Also a void is NEP, BDE1 isn't NEP, just lack space-time
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"Edison and M" are just a stone wall lack of offensive abilities compared to BlazBlue and even Tensura characters.
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Actually they have CM1 hax and Info 2, Data, Law hax via Cracking and Cracking Physiology, they have NEP2 too, just that their hax are baseline
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Satire?
The Ur-Dragon
The Ur-Dragon is an immensely powerful entity that has existed since the beginning of the multiverse. It is the progenitor of dragons in all forms on every plane, its essence held within them, and its blood in their veins. While every dragon is in some way an aspect of the entity, the Primeval...vsbattles.fandom.com
this guy solos the entire list
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Prob hella low.like 17as a guess.abilities aren’t really explained. (Doubt he is getting higher)
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he has all the abilities of this character
Nicol Bolas
Though now Nameless, Nicol Bolas was a Planeswalker as well as an Elder Dragon, one of only seven who survived The Elder Dragon War. He along with his Kin were born from Ur-Dragon. Originally being a Planeswalker before the Mending occurred, Nicol Bolas is considered one of the oldest beings in...
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Nicol's balls, my favorite character.he has all the abilities of this character
Nicol Bolas
Though now Nameless, Nicol Bolas was a Planeswalker as well as an Elder Dragon, one of only seven who survived The Elder Dragon War. He along with his Kin were born from Ur-Dragon. Originally being a Planeswalker before the Mending occurred, Nicol Bolas is considered one of the oldest beings in...
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Kinda? She's by default above any god (the 94 are for one of the greater gods, being the highest stated), and even the strongest of the gods at the time (Vecna) stalemated her.
She doesn't have a proper number tho, as she doesn't have any form of stats (by design), neither for her avatar or true form.
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