All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

[RedReaper616]

To put into perspective how you’re trying to allocate the Arcs:

Early: The Dead Zone, Saiyan, World’s Strongest, Tree of Might, and Lord Slug Sagas. (5)

Mid: Namek/Frieza, Garlic Jr., Cooler’s Revenge, Android, Return of Cooler. and Super Android 13 Sagas. (6-7)

End: Broly the Legendary Super Saiyan, Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans, Cell, Bojack Unbound, Second Coming, Bio-Broly, Fusion Reborn, Buu, and Wrath of Dragon Sagas. (10.)

We’re trying to divide twenty arcs worth of material. Trying to match it exactly puts us in a bad spot. It’s much more efficient to divide the time between the end of each major canon Arc, (End of Frieza Saga, End of Cell Saga, Buu Saga) to fit them in.

Also, we don’t benefit at all from committing to it. The suggestion is simply dividing it into 3, not arbitrarily following the conventions of a game to the letter. Especially not when it causes more clutter, not less, which is the whole point of dividing the profile.

 

[Vietthai96]

Move Broly Saga up to Cell Saga to Mid. After that is End, there is also the End of Z for End profile

 

[StarShooter80]

Can someone please help me in applying the Dragon Ball Ki Manipulation page to the Toei profiles?

 

[RedReaper616]

Can someone please help me in applying the Dragon Ball Ki Manipulation page to the Toei profiles?

What other assistance do you need?

Also, since Baby doubled in strength by being brought to full power via Blutz Waves, and Goku exceeded him via doing the same with Saiya Power, then the level of power/multipliers we see before those moments is literally SSJ4 Goku and Golden Oozaru Baby being at 50%. Neat.

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

Ngl Z manga stuck at just 4B doesn't track with Kid Buu being an immediate threat to the universe. MHS flight speed ain't gonna cut

 

[Vietthai96]

Ngl Z manga stuck at just 4B doesn't track with Kid Buu being an immediate threat to the universe. MHS flight speed ain't gonna cut

it isn't MHS, it is Hypersonic+

 

[Huesito88]

Ngl Z manga stuck at just 4B doesn't track with Kid Buu being an immediate threat to the universe. MHS flight speed ain't gonna cut

Just make the universe infinite in size

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

We do know for a fact that Kid Buu is only around x4 stronger than SPC tho

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

We do know for a fact that Kid Buu is only around x4 stronger than SPC tho

Yep, Goku didn't get any strong during seven years of training other than getting SSJ3.

 

[RedReaper616]

I'm pretty sure it's just at least 4x stronger, since all we can really say for sure is SSJ2 Goku is "stronger than when Gohan fought Cell" and SSJ3 is 4x SSJ2.

EDIT: Given Dabura was supposed to be easy and "on par with Cell" (where they mean Perfect or Super Perfect is unknown) to show how far Gohan had fallen behind, I dunno how valid you can make of an estimate on that statement.

 

[StarShooter80]

What other assistance do you need?

None for now, I finished applying all the changes (except for like one incredibly minor profile that's locked, already requested for that though)

Gasosidade helped out

 

[RedReaper616]

Alrighty!

Time to start a new Sandbox...

 

[StarShooter80]

Alrighty!

Time to start a new Sandbox...

The changes were minimal don't worry about it

you can see the differences between GT Goku's profile before and after the CRT via the history search

 

[RedReaper616]

Oh so like
I'm trying to get the exact scaling of GT Goku in order

So I'm doing a Sandbox to figure it out and hopefully make a Blog for how much higher GT Scales off of Z.

 

[Huesito88]

Oh so like
I'm trying to get the exact scaling of GT Goku in order

So I'm doing a Sandbox to figure it out and hopefully make a Blog for how much higher GT Scales off of Z.

What's the current calculated number you have for GT Goku?

 

[RedReaper616]

What's the current calculated number you have for GT Goku?

I just
Started
Now

Hence why I said "Making a new sandbox..."

 

[Sus]

i would love to put anime characters against Goku (mid)

 

[RedReaper616]

It occurs to me that Baby somehow obtained a 400 plus times increase in power by possessing Vegeta, and that's utterly ridiculous.

SSJ Baby Gohan ~ SSJ Vegeta

Base Goku >>> SSJ Baby Gohan

SSJ Baby Vegeta > SSJ3 Goku

Wild.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

I'm pretty sure it's just at least 4x stronger, since all we can really say for sure is SSJ2 Goku is "stronger than when Gohan fought Cell" and SSJ3 is 4x SSJ2.

EDIT: Given Dabura was supposed to be easy and "on par with Cell" (where they mean Perfect or Super Perfect is unknown) to show how far Gohan had fallen behind, I dunno how valid you can make of an estimate on that statement.

We sorta treat SSJ2 Buu Saga Gohan as >SSJ1 Goku and Vegeta, so it can't be below x8.

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

It occurs to me that Baby somehow obtained a 400 plus times increase in power by possessing Vegeta, and that's utterly ridiculous.

SSJ Baby Gohan ~ SSJ Vegeta

Base Goku >>> SSJ Baby Gohan

SSJ Baby Vegeta > SSJ3 Goku

Wild.

Wasn't baby himself in Gohan when he faced Vegeta and later on it was just one of his spores on Gohan when he faced Goku?

The hosts baby himself possesses seem to get a boost

 

[Da3ggman]

Why don't Saiyans or Namekians have a physiology page? They both seem to have enough abilities to warrant one.

 

[RedReaper616]

Wasn't baby himself in Gohan when he faced Vegeta and later on it was just one of his spores on Gohan when he faced Goku?

The hosts baby himself possesses seem to get a boost

Baby Goten was fast enough to keep up with SSJ Baby Gohan to create the inescapable sphere they trapped Vegeta in, so the amp seems to exist regardless.

 

[RedReaper616]

What's the current calculated number you have for GT Goku?

This is my current Sandbox.

Currently trying to figure out the power ups of the S17 and Shadow Dragons Sagas.

The only one I have in my head for sure is an at least 8x jump, since SSJ Goku did better than Majuub against Super 17, who was able to fight Baby better than the previous SSJ3 Goku was.

 

[BlastX]

I don't really agree with Goku SSJ performing better because Super 17 was pretty much holding back against him and then once he got bored he flat out told him he was just the same as everyone else.

But I don't care about arguing much about it.

 

[RedReaper616]

I mean Super 17 was still holding back and easily tanked Vegeta's Final Shine Attack, Gohan's full-strength KHH, Majuub's physical blows, etc. Given he didn't outwardly raise his power in any way, I don't see how that's not a pretty clear sign of superiority. (It's also stated by the Narrator that this battle is "The Mightiest in This World and the Next," which implies the fighters are fighting at their own level, but also probably is referencing how this battle contextually is related to Hell and Earth), but valid.

I think the only outwardly notable and quantifiable power boost outside of that is the ten times increase Super Full Power provided Goku against Syn-Omega Shenron, since Goku went from below Syn to "close" to Omega, who was ten times above Syn. Whilst the Shadow Dragons progressively get stronger, there's no real way to quantify that outside of their boasts, which are...boasts, and often played for jokes. They also straight up don't really use numbers anyway.

Meaning most of the insane power jumps are within the Black Star and Baby Sagas, with various character powers being established through their relativity to Goku or the antag at a given moment.

 

[BlastX]

Yeah, I think getting SSJ4 is the last power increase Goku in the series, even after getting his Tail back Baby said he didn't increase his power even a little bit and most relevant villains get the "He's equal to SSJ4 Goku" in the guides which implies he's treated the same across the series.

Which is kinda fitting since SSJ4 is a potential unlock, a limit breaker and a multiplier, I don't think Goku can get much stronger without outside help once he gets it, which means he hit his peak or at least a plateau.

 

[RedReaper616]

Is there a way to access the old Kanzentai Daizenshuu translations? With the stuff going on with the Archive, they're not working (for me) and I need a method to access the information on those sites.

 

[StarShooter80]

Is there a way to access the old Kanzentai Daizenshuu translations? With the stuff going on with the Archive, they're not working (for me) and I need a method to access the information on those sites.

Everyone also has this issue, the only work around I could think of is using Herm's translations, but apart from that yeah I can't think of anything else

 

[RedReaper616]

Damn.

I guess I'll have to manage.

Anyway, this is my completed numbers game when it comes to how much they're upscaling from their Toei Z-Selves. Anything seem off? I'll add more scans later for the initial few paragraphs, but I wanted to get everything down first.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Is there a way to access the old Kanzentai Daizenshuu translations?

What're ya looking for, exactly?

 

[RedReaper616]

What're ya looking for, exactly?

Information on Uub.

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

-"Sonic skill stomps Cell"

-looks inside justification

-most atrocious wank/self debunking scan I've ever seen

Many such cases

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

Cannot wait for combat intelligence to get nuked off this site, so done with 'whose more skilled' circle jerk threads'

 

[Huesito88]

Cannot wait for combat intelligence to get nuked off this site, so done with 'whose more skilled' circle jerk threads'

Why would it get nuked?

 

[StarShooter80]

-"Sonic skill stomps Cell"

-looks inside justification

-most atrocious wank/self debunking scan I've ever seen

Many such cases

This ain't 4chan

Cannot wait for combat intelligence to get nuked off this site, so done with 'whose more skilled' circle jerk threads'

I feel like combat intelligence should be its own thing away from regular intelligence

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

Why would it get nuked?

Because its a dumbass metric based of dumbass reasonings and standards

Like Vegeta somehow not being E.G alongside Goku is all I need to point to our standards for combat IQ being ass

 

[Nierre]

well has anyone made a crt to make Vegeta EG?

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

well has anyone made a crt to make Vegeta EG?

For justification someone should just link the Superhero end credits scene lol

 

[Darkmon_cns]

Why would it get nuked?

It's kinda bad

 

[BitestDust]

Hey guys, Kaioshin's creating stars and planets whole 100 millions years, so if universe is infinite it doesn't mean that there is infinite stars and planets