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Slime Boy Skills (Rimuru Tempest NL)

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Bienvenidos a una nueva revisión de contenido de mi parte. En esta ocasión les presentaré las siguientes habilidades:

Acausalidad Tipo 3, Inmortalidad Tipo 6 y 9 (Vía Existencia Paralela: Todas las existencias paralelas actúan como la real incluso si son enviadas a otro mundo, espacio entre dimensiones u otro tiempo. Pueden descartar su cuerpo, crear otro cuerpo y transferir energía )

Estas habilidades serían para los siguientes personajes: Masayuki, Rudra, Souei , Veldora, Velgrynd y Michael , Rimuru (Vía Shub-Niggurath)

Ahora Rimuru tendría negación de estas habilidades a través de Turn Null (Espacio Imaginario/Espacio Complejo) que está en su página:

Negación Acausalidad Tipo 3, Inmortalidad Tipo 6 y 9 (Vía Turn Null "Espacio Imaginario/Espacio Complejo": Al aislar a Michael con el Espacio Imaginario, corta la existencia paralela de Michael y divide los cuerpos del cuerpo principal )

Rimuru también debería tener la misma Negación pero en su clave de Señor Demonio.

Negación Acausalidad Tipo 3, Inmortalidad Tipo 6 y 9 (Vía Beelzebuth "Espacio Imaginario/Espacio Complejo": Al aislar a Velgrynd con el Espacio Imaginario, corta la existencia paralela de Velgrynd y separa los cuerpos del cuerpo principal )

De acuerdo: ActuallySpaceMan42 Elizhaa DarkDragonMedeus

Neutral:

Discrepar:

P.S. When I tried to put the name of DarkDragonMedeus, I didn't realise that the translator changed my OP to Spanish, however it was approved before the language change.
 
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You should have gotten my permission before posting this. We have 5 thread opened now
 
Welcome to a new content review from me. On this occasion I will present the following skills:

Acausality Type 3 , Immortality Type 6 & 9 (Vía Parallel Existence: All parallel existences act like the real one even if they are sent to another world, space between dimensions or another time. They can discard their body, create another body and transfer energy)

These skills would be for the following characters: Masayuki, Rudra, Souei, Veldora, Velgrynd and Michael, Rimuru (Vía Shub-Niggurath)

Now Rimuru would have negation of these abilities through Turn Null (Imaginary Space/ Complex Space) which is on his page:

Negation Acausality Type 3 , Immortality Type 6 & 9 (Vía Turn Null "Imaginary Space/ Complex Space": By isolating Michael with Imaginary Space, cut off Michael's parallel existence and split bodies from the main body)

Rimuru should also have the same Negation but in his Demon Lord key.

Negation Acausality Type 3 , Immortality Type 6 & 9 (Vía Beelzebuth"Imaginary Space/ Complex Space": By isolating Velgrynd with Imaginary Space, cut off Velgrynd's parallel existence and split bodies from the main body)

Agree:

Neutral:

Disagree:
First of all I find acausal 3 kind of weird. We cannot assume that people with parallel existence are not affected by time. The only ones we know that are unaffected by time are Digital Lifeforms.
 
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I don't see the strangeness of the Acausality type 3, in the same scan it says Another World, another time.

Also, don't we have the Acausality type 1 through Ultimate Skill?
First of all I find acausal 3 kind of weird. We cannot assume that people with parallel existence are not affected by time. The only ones we know that are unaffected by time are Digital Lifeforms. That is why I feel like I want to argue Acausality type 2 for Digital Lifeforms in the future since they were able to exist in a place where time does not exist and no time travel seem to work there for a reason. Information particles also have statement of transcending Space and time and being unbounded to it which means they are free from Time.
 
I don't see the strangeness of the Acausality type 3, in the same scan it says Another World, another time.

Also, don't we have the Acausality type 1 through Ultimate Skill?
Ultimate skills aren't Acausal Type 1 the problem is. Pre establish harmony kinda debunked this because everything is written to achieve this including not being affected by paradox. Unless you can provide more evidence on your behalf
 
Ultimate skills aren't Acausal Type 1 the problem is. Pre establish harmony kinda debunked this
Well even so I don't see a good anti-feat for Acausality type 3, we even talked about it in the general thread with CodeCCL
 
Well even so I don't see a good anti-feat for Acausality type 3, we even talked about it in the general thread with CodeCCL
The only thing I saw what is worth mentioning is the fact that you can force your issue to shove in to any paradox you like but that is also part of what history was written and it was also debunked because Hinata theory was proven wrong in the same scan later on
 
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This is already accepted, so you only need to fix the already existing abilities.
Anyway, i agree.

Edit: a possible aca 3 can be added to spiritual lifefrom physiology. (Along the type 9 wording)

The only thing I saw what is worth mentioning is the fact that you can force your issue to shove in to any paradox you like but that is also part of what history was written and it was also debunked because Hinata theory was proven wrong in the same scan later on
Aca 3 is already accepted, it's on Velgrind profile, we only need to do a new wording. (And being unaffected by time isn't aca 3)
 
Aca 3 is already accepted, it's on Velgrind profile, we only need to do a new wording. (And being unaffected by time isn't aca 3)
Yeah anyways count me as neutral leaning to disagree. But I think I will agree with the rest except for acausality 3 . They don't seem to be controversial
 
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This is already accepted, so you only need to fix the already existing abilities.
Anyway, i agree.

Edit: a possible aca 3 can be added to spiritual lifefrom physiology. (Along the type 9 wording)


Aca 3 is already accepted, it's on Velgrind profile, we only need to do a new wording. (And being unaffected by time isn't aca 3)
I would also like to add that I also have an issue with acausality negation. The thing is Rimuru did not kill all those clones at the same time
 
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I would also like to add that I also have an issue with acausality negation. The thing is Rimuru did not kill all those clones at the same time
Aca 3 neg is only eliminating all other bodies, cutting the connection and making the ability useless is negation as well
 
Aca 3 neg is only eliminating all other bodies, cutting the connection and making the ability useless is negation as well
Hmm my bad. I do not remember how we got Immortality 9 negation now I understand. Rimuru seem to prevent parallel existence from working despite all of the clones being the same existence and there is no real body

But i feel like they are still not acausal 3 though as those clones are just body doubles not different past or future version of themselves

Thinking about this again a world does not allow 2 soul to exist at the same time
 
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But i feel like they are still not acausal 3 though as those clones are just body doubles not different past or future version of themselves
Type 3 can be this 2:
1) using different version of themselvs from different point in time.
2) using different version of themselvs from different spacetimes.
(We using second one)
 
Acausality Type 3 is too wanked for this verse. They don't have that at all. It should be noted that existences from different spacetimes don't work here because it's the same character from the same spacetime that was just transferred so it's not like the two are from two different spacetimes. Also the parallel existence is just some kind of unconventional clone. Neither the core nor the soul are split.

For Immortality Type 9 nah it shouldn't work. Rimuru cut the connection (Soul Corridor) that was supposed to allow Michael to escape showing that his parallel existence is different from Rimuru and Veldora's because when he leaves his main body he transfers everything to his secondary body.
 
First of all I find acausal 3 kind of weird. We cannot assume that people with parallel existence are not affected by time. The only ones we know that are unaffected by time are Digital Lifeforms.
Its not that they are unaffected by it in the sense of being the same as digital lifeforms, however, their body can still travel to different worlds, that have different axes.
Agree, but some more scans can be used, which I'll give in the next part:
Acausality Type 3 is too wanked for this verse. They don't have that at all. It should be noted that existences from different spacetimes don't work here because it's the same character from the same spacetime that was just transferred so it's not like the two are from two different spacetimes. Also the parallel existence is just some kind of unconventional clone. Neither the core nor the soul are split.
I don't think you even read the scans. But in any case, I will give more scans to back it up and elaborate on why Parallel Existence clearly applies for Aca3.
First, from the definition page:
Type 3: Temporal Permanence: Characters with this type of Acausality are incredibly difficult to kill, as other versions of themselves - from other points in time and/or from other universes - can survive the destruction of the "original" and act in their place. This also grants them immunity to changes in the past.
Scan 1:
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This is one of the most clear example of Acausality type 3. Although this isn't parallel existence, its an inherent ability of Spiritual lifeforms, parallel existence should inherit it as well.
Not only can they leave their main body in the original world and create a clone to travel to the other world, their bodies are connected by Soul Corridor [Something that can connect two things even if they are in different points in time]. Even if the separate body dies, you can revive it since another body of yourself exists in another world.
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I quote you saying "Neither the Core nor the Soul is split", and now quote the scan "She could divide bits of her consciousness into every copy", to the point that they are simply "Multiple versions of her real self". "Alternates" that can act as the main body if the other one is killed, with every alternate being connected to the main body.
That's one of the most clear cut examples of Acausality type 3. Know that the Soul IS the consciousness, albeit divided into many levels.

Now, quoting the definition page for immortality:
6: Parasitic: The character is able to attain a sort of immortality by abandoning bodies whenever necessary to transfer their consciousness to another body, whether they are possessing someone else or switching to a backup body.
This makes it pretty clear how Parallel Existence is Immortality type 6.
9: Transcendental Immortality: Characters whose true selves exist independently from the plane where they can be killed.
Physical and Spiritual Worlds are pretty much different planes of existence, and travelling to one requires you to create a separate physical body. We know that Velgrynd did this because she travelled to a physical world [Masayuki's world]. However, we can also say that Worlds are simply different planes of existence, so them making separate bodies in other worlds and incarnating themselves through those bodies is enough for this type of immortality as well.
Negation Acausality Type 3 , Immortality Type 6 & 9 (Vía Turn Null "Imaginary Space/ Complex Space": By isolating Michael with Imaginary Space, cut off Michael's parallel existence and split bodies from the main body)

Rimuru should also have the same Negation but in his Demon Lord key.

Negation Acausality Type 3 , Immortality Type 6 & 9 (Vía Beelzebuth"Imaginary Space/ Complex Space": By isolating Velgrynd with Imaginary Space, cut off Velgrynd's parallel existence and split bodies from the main body)
Agreed
For Immortality Type 9 nah it shouldn't work. Rimuru cut the connection (Soul Corridor) that was supposed to allow Michael to escape showing that his parallel existence is different from Rimuru and Veldora's because when he leaves his main body he transfers everything to his secondary body.
Cutting off the connection between the main body and the incarnated body is exactly what Immortality type 9 negation works. Type 9 negation would be negating the connection between the main body and the clone to make it so that the clone body cannot be revived if it is destroyed. Rimuru's imaginary space essentially stops him from "reviving", where said revival is done via dependence on the main body. Same with Beelzebuth
 
I don't think you even read the scans. But in any case, I will give more scans to back it up and elaborate on why Parallel Existence clearly applies for Aca3.
First, from the definition page:

Scan 1:
JeZj4iZ.png

This is one of the most clear example of Acausality type 3. Although this isn't parallel existence, its an inherent ability of Spiritual lifeforms, parallel existence should inherit it as well.
Not only can they leave their main body in the original world and create a clone to travel to the other world, their bodies are connected by Soul Corridor [Something that can connect two things even if they are in different points in time]. Even if the separate body dies, you can revive it since another body of yourself exists in another world.
20852412f8e2ad2dc22c32e90010abf8.png

I quote you saying "Neither the Core nor the Soul is split", and now quote the scan "She could divide bits of her consciousness into every copy", to the point that they are simply "Multiple versions of her real self". "Alternates" that can act as the main body if the other one is killed, with every alternate being connected to the main body.
That's one of the most clear cut examples of Acausality type 3. Know that the Soul IS the consciousness, albeit divided into many levels.
I still have a problem with it.
Now, quoting the definition page for immortality:

This makes it pretty clear how Parallel Existence is Immortality type 6.
Yeah no problem with this.
Cutting off the connection between the main body and the incarnated body is exactly what Immortality type 9 negation works. Type 9 negation would be negating the connection between the main body and the clone to make it so that the clone body cannot be revived if it is destroyed. Rimuru's imaginary space essentially stops him from "reviving", where said revival is done via dependence on the main body. Same with Beelzebuth
As much as I want to discuss this, I'm going to have to because the thread "is not about Immortality Type 9".
Apparently I'm derailing the thread.
 
Ese es el problema. Si el corredor de almas con el cuerpo principal se cierra y el cuerpo principal muere, ella está muerta.
??? Son todos iguales, Rimuru cortó la conexión en el espacio imaginario con otra Velgrynd, incluso la Velgrynd que estaba afuera intentó ayudarla pero no pudo, incluso la descartó por muerta.

Entonces, ¿de qué estás hablando?

https://gyazo.com/475c652fe327c5c19ae0192d6627ba0e

Editar: Además, lo siento por despertarme tarde.
 
Feldway?

In volume 19, even with Michael's power, he doesn't have Parallel Existence.

Could you also tell me why only Michael?
iirc obera survived complete physical destruction because her body resides in another world. this would apply to Feldway since his main body resides in Star Palace, this would fit into the criteria for another universe. and Michael was dependent on Feldway
 
iirc obera survived complete physical destruction because her body resides in another world. this would apply to Feldway since his main body resides in Star Palace, this would fit into the criteria for another universe. and Michael was dependent on Feldway
I don't know what that has to do with Parallel Existence. What you just said is immortality type 9 and 6 since they use their own consciousness, since the main body is safe (it's not said if they can move).

The difference with Parallel Existence is that these are all real, they even have their own dragon factor, their own thoughts, soul corridor connection that is through space-time even.

The evidence with Velgrynd is that she was sent to another world, another time, etc. Even so another Velgrynd was able to reach her.

It meets the definition of Acasuality type 3.
 
it works the same, yes but I don't know if it still fits the criteria of being outside of their standard world
I mean, they're doing it via the same skill, so it shouldn't be a problem. The OP's proposal is to give the abilities to Parallel Existence itself[a general skill], rather then specific characters.
 
Scan 1:
JeZj4iZ.png

This is one of the most clear example of Acausality type 3. Although this isn't parallel existence, its an inherent ability of Spiritual lifeforms, parallel existence should inherit it as well.
Not only can they leave their main body in the original world and create a clone to travel to the other world, their bodies are connected by Soul Corridor [Something that can connect two things even if they are in different points in time]. Even if the separate body dies, you can revive it since another body of yourself exists in another world.
20852412f8e2ad2dc22c32e90010abf8.png

I quote you saying "Neither the Core nor the Soul is split", and now quote the scan "She could divide bits of her consciousness into every copy", to the point that they are simply "Multiple versions of her real self". "Alternates" that can act as the main body if the other one is killed, with every alternate being connected to the main body.
That's one of the most clear cut examples of Acausality type 3. Know that the Soul IS the consciousness, albeit divided into many levels.
First off, no. The first scan explained that these "clones" literally traveled to other worlds and when your "main" body dies. Those same "clones" could be the "main" body themselves.
And it's explained further that Velgrynd could divide her consciousness into every copy. Thus when the "main" body dies, one of those clones could serve as the main one.

This is not the clearest example of Acausality Type 3, the literal meaning of Acausality Type 3 literally means if you "die" then a parallel version of yourself could replicate you in that universe. Basically creating a loophole like this:
Character A dies in Universe 1 < Character B from Universe 2 replaces Character A in Universe 1 < Character C from Universe 3 replaces Character B from Universe 2 (in a way, they're all the same person but obviously their consciousness are different simply because it's a parallel version of yourself that replaces you)

What Tensura gave, instead is an anti-feat in itself that those "clones" must travel into other worlds and then they could serve as a replacement for the "main" body after. And then the most obvious anti-feat of them all: Velgrynd consciousness is divided into every copy of those clones. How is it a parallel version of yourself when they all share the same consciousness?
 
First off, no. The first scan explained that these "clones" literally traveled to other worlds and when your "main" body dies. Those same "clones" could be the "main" body themselves.
And it's explained further that Velgrynd could divide her consciousness into every copy. Thus when the "main" body dies, one of those clones could serve as the main one.

This is not the clearest example of Acausality Type 3, the literal meaning of Acausality Type 3 literally means if you "die" then a parallel version of yourself could replicate you in that universe. Basically creating a loophole like this:
Character A dies in Universe 1 < Character B from Universe 2 replaces Character A in Universe 1 < Character C from Universe 3 replaces Character B from Universe 2 (in a way, they're all the same person but obviously their consciousness are different simply because it's a parallel version of yourself that replaces you)

What Tensura gave, instead is an anti-feat in itself that those "clones" must travel into other worlds and then they could serve as a replacement for the "main" body after. And then the most obvious anti-feat of them all: Velgrynd consciousness is divided into every copy of those clones. How is it a parallel version of yourself when they all share the same consciousness?
Here I found how they accepted Rimuru NW's type 3 acausality, there are two comments from two administrators.


Velgrynd's case is the same whether or not she traveled (now she can) to another universe/time, Feldway sent Velgrynd to another Time, another world, etc.

Even so, another Velgrynd came to her.

Although yes, I would wait for the staff's opinion.
 
Here I found how they accepted Rimuru NW's type 3 acausality, there are two comments from two administrators.


Velgrynd's case is the same whether or not she traveled (now she can) to another universe/time, Feldway sent Velgrynd to another Time, another world, etc.

Even so, another Velgrynd came to her.

Although yes, I would wait for the staff's opinion.
I mean, what can you expect when the Multilocation page (Before, it was just nigh-omnipresence) was created on February 10, 2022 and that CRT is from March 5, 2019 but seeing it's still there.. I'm pretty sure nobody talks about it regardless

But all the feats here is just Multilocation from what I can see here, though it's better to wait for staff's opinion (and we're almost in the end of 2024, lol)
 
Velgrynd's ability doesn't seem like what you sent, as his body doesn't even encompass a single tree...
 
First off, no. The first scan explained that these "clones" literally traveled to other worlds and when your "main" body dies.
What....
Let me quote it for you...
If you left your main body in the other world, by the way, you could revive your separate body even if it died—but since it had never fully manifested, it would lose a great deal of its strength, perhaps over half. The only things passed on to the new manifestation were its memories and experiences, and you’d need to find another physical body to possess.
Are you sure you're reading it right -_-
Those same "clones" could be the "main" body
Each clone is equally "real", and can act as a main body. That itself enhances the fact that they have Aca3, because if one body dies, the other can replace it and act as an equal to the previous body.
These words were spoken, needless to say, by the supposedly dead Gardner. The corpse was still lying on the ground, but he was still standing here, perfectly fine. That could be chalked up to the special ability he acquired—for Ludora had used Alternate to grant him the skill Parallel Existence.

Unlike Velgrynd, who boasted a vast amount of magicules, Gardner’s was about average for a Saint-level person. That put him up there with an awakened demon lord, but he couldn’t create multiple replications of himself at once. Just one at a time was his limit, but that was still enough. Thanks to that, no matter how cunning his opponent was, they’d never be able to tell the “fake” from the real thing—they were both “real” by definition. So Gardner’s typical winning strategy was to lure his foe into a trap, then use a replication as a decoy while he attacked with his main body. It was a proven tactic, but he didn’t like using it much. He was more into tormenting people as they begged for their lives—this approach killed them before things even got to that level.
Meanwhile, with the Parallel Existence skill Velgrynd had, she could divide bits of her consciousness into every copy. “Copy” wasn’t even the right term any longer—it was simply like having multiple versions of your “real” self. It meant that even if you killed one of them, as long as there’s at least one other “alternate” of hers left, that could serve as her main one. Plus, she didn’t have to split up her magic force at all. Every “alternate” was connected with the main body, so she could replenish as much magic power as she wanted on any version of herself.
And it's explained further that Velgrynd could divide her consciousness into every copy. Thus when the "main" body dies, one of those clones could serve as the main one.
Which is not a problem to begin with. I don't see how that's an argument against her not having any of the abilities the OP mentioned.
This is not the clearest example of Acausality Type 3, the literal meaning of Acausality Type 3 literally means if you "die" then a parallel version of yourself could replicate you in that universe. Basically creating a loophole like this:
It doesn't really require them to be an exact replicate of the original self and its powers, not really. As long as there are other versions of themselves that can act in their place in case they die. The definition page doesn't mention anything you have said, so source your own arguments.
Type 3: Temporal Permanence: Characters with this type of Acausality are incredibly difficult to kill, as other versions of themselves - from other points in time and/or from other universes - can survive the destruction of the "original" and act in their place. This also grants them immunity to changes in the past.
Character A dies in Universe 1 < Character B from Universe 2 replaces Character A in Universe 1 < Character C from Universe 3 replaces Character B from Universe 2 (in a way, they're all the same person but obviously their consciousness are different simply because it's a parallel version of yourself that replaces you)
You're overcomplicating the meaning of Type 3 itself, and again, none of this is mentioned at all in the definition page, so that's your own thoughts, not the standards set in place.
What Tensura gave, instead is an anti-feat in itself that those "clones" must travel into other worlds and then they could serve as a replacement for the "main" body after. And then the most obvious anti-feat of them all: Velgrynd consciousness is divided into every copy of those clones. How is it a parallel version of yourself when they all share the same consciousness?
There is no need for your clone to exist in another space-time "from the beginning" of that space-time. The essence of Aca3 is that multiple versions of yourself exist in different space-times. It does not need, nor does the definition page mentions or implies, that such a case is an anti-feat.
Her consciousness dividing has nothing to do with her not having Aca3. That's completely unrelated, unless you can prove otherwise using actual definitions rather then made-up theories.
 
But all the feats here is just Multilocation from what I can see here, though it's better to wait for staff's opinion (and we're almost in the end of 2024, lol)
Doesn't really matter, multiple abilities can have overlapping reasoning, so that's not an argument.
 
What....
Let me quote it for you...

Are you sure you're reading it right -_-

Each clone is equally "real", and can act as a main body. That itself enhances the fact that they have Aca3, because if one body dies, the other can replace it and act as an equal to the previous body.



Which is not a problem to begin with. I don't see how that's an argument against her not having any of the abilities the OP mentioned.

It doesn't really require them to be an exact replicate of the original self and its powers, not really. As long as there are other versions of themselves that can act in their place in case they die. The definition page doesn't mention anything you have said, so source your own arguments.


You're overcomplicating the meaning of Type 3 itself, and again, none of this is mentioned at all in the definition page, so that's your own thoughts, not the standards set in place.

There is no need for your clone to exist in another space-time "from the beginning" of that space-time. The essence of Aca3 is that multiple versions of yourself exist in different space-times. It does not need, nor does the definition page mentions or implies, that such a case is an anti-feat.
Her consciousness dividing has nothing to do with her not having Aca3. That's completely unrelated, unless you can prove otherwise using actual definitions rather then made-up theories.
Made-up theories or is it simply because you fail to understand what an Acausality Type 3 is in the first place? I made it very clear, btw.
The essence of Aca3 is that multiple versions of yourself exist in different space-times.
In a way that you're interpretating it and how I'm interpretating are different solely from this statement alone: What you're interpretating is the fact that multiple versions of yourself exist in different space-times as in you could duplicate a clone of yourself and then spread it around different space-times which is just wrong in so many ways.
Type 3: Temporal Permanence: Characters with this type of Acausality are incredibly difficult to kill, as other versions of themselves - from other points in time and/or from other universes - can survive the destruction of the "original" and act in their place. This also grants them immunity to changes in the past.
Literally what this means is that if you die in some point, then there's a parallel version of yourself who will replace that. And it's obviously not through cloning yourself and then just sending them to different space-times so that if you die then they could replace you.. And these aren't even the parallel versions, again since they all share the same consciousness. Oh, should I mention that if there's a destruction like a global level threat that eliminates the main version of yourself. Then, the parallel version of yourself will replace that? Or basically if you get killed by someone. That's the whole point also.

Honestly, just take a look at Kurumi's Acausality Type 3 reasoning. It's the simplest of them all, there's no such things as duplicating and then sending your own clone to different space-times/sharing consciousness with every clone and then just say "it's a parallel version of myself". Kurumi doesn't have that.
Acausality (Types 1 and 3: Even if you kill Kurumi in the past, she will always exist in the present and throughout multiple timelines, and isn't affected at all by the presence of multiple "her" in the same present)
Literally it indicates that multiple "her" has different consciousness but they're still Kurumi. And, obviously this is not through cloning and then sending them to different space-times <- I probably said this like 3 times at this point.

Please, it's not that hard to answer two of my questions:
1. How do you consider cloning yourself and sending them to different space-times would be a parallel version of yourself thus Acausality Type 3?
2. How do you consider, as a whole that sharing consciousness with your parallel versions (more precisely, clone) of yourself would be Type 3 Acausality also?
Because all of these is clearly an anti-feat, how are you even using this as an argument for Type 3 Acausality is something that I will never get. To be honest.
Just don't do strawman fr.. And if your reason was based on that CRT who was made 5 years ago, even though I shouldn't be assuming this but there's probably a possibility for this. Then just wait for the staff to come here at this point.
 
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