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Kaneki stomps, Sukuna can't hurt him and can't really counter the disease/poison hax.
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Sukuna vs Kaneki
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No, sukuna's domain name is different from other domain names. Normally, DA sees people who lack cursed energy (maki, toji) as objects, and DA's hit effect does not work.
However, the sukuna area affects and destroys everything in the area.
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Is Sukuna in his True Form with all 20 Fingers?? And anything Restricted/Allowed? Best to add that in the Main message
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I will have to give this Win to Kaneki, AS OF THIS MESSAGE.
Sukuna (True Form): 2.07 Megatons with Divine Flame, slightly higher with Domain Expansion boosting stats
Kaneki (Dragon): 2.21 Megatons
For the Record, I am not that well versed in Tokyo Ghoul. So Please inform me of anything I have/said wrong.And don't go too hard on me.
I have NO CLUE where Kaneki's true body is within the Dragon, so I can't say anything about that.
With Dragon's AP and Durability surpassing even Sukuna's Divine Flame, Sukuna honestly has no real way of damaging Kaneki Dragon, along with its unfathomable size of 21 Kilometers, and it constantly growing (Assuming this is in a populated space, like Shibuya or Shinjuku). Malevolent Shrine only has a 200 Meter Radius, Divine Flame - Open has been calced with only vaporizing a 140 meter radius. Plus with Dragon massively upscaling from Ghouls who have Low-Mid regeneration, and it SEEMING nigh-instant, Malevolent Shrine's constant cutting and burning won't really do that much (at least in the long term). Only World Slash (which bypasses Durability through Space-Cutting) can do anything, but even that won't really amount to much, due to Dragon's size. The most range it can be given is Tens of Meters, given that Mahoraga slashed apart Gojo's arm and multiple buildings behind him, past a multi-laned street. And Sukuna using it on Hajime only appear Tens of Meters. Most of all, Sukuna has to Chant it along with Hand Signs, or impose himself a Binding Vow that sacrifices something in some way in order to achieve it.
Due to Tokyo Ghoul's not having any Emotional/Empathic supernatural energy systems. They do not have Cursed Energy via Verse Equalization.
Given that, Cursed Energy is Not lethal to it, as they are basically beyond Superhuman and their traits/features. Toji and Maki prove that strong enough individuals that are not sorcerers with Cursed Energy themselves, can handle Cursed Energy with no problem lickety-split.
Most of allSukuna has no way to combat the ROS. Especially with it being completely airborne, making it nigh-impossible to get away from, especially given time for more of it to be released. And ROS, not Just being poison, but it having Biology Manipulation completely affecting the Biological structure of its victims, specifically cancerous-like formations all over its body (Symptoms include Perception Degradation and Memory Loss), all stuff pertaining to the Brain as well, with any damage to the brain in JJK becoming incredibly risky. The Golems/minions Dragon summons when killed produce even more ROS at an accelerated pace upon death will just make the situation that much worse for Sukuna, essentially him just becoming a complete vegetable. And Reverse Cursed Technique at even the highest level can't remove that much toxins fast enough for problems to kick in.
Please inform me of anything that can help with this.
Sukuna (True Form): 2.07 Megatons with Divine Flame, slightly higher with Domain Expansion boosting stats
Kaneki (Dragon): 2.21 Megatons
For the Record, I am not that well versed in Tokyo Ghoul. So Please inform me of anything I have/said wrong.
I have NO CLUE where Kaneki's true body is within the Dragon, so I can't say anything about that.
With Dragon's AP and Durability surpassing even Sukuna's Divine Flame, Sukuna honestly has no real way of damaging Kaneki Dragon, along with its unfathomable size of 21 Kilometers, and it constantly growing (Assuming this is in a populated space, like Shibuya or Shinjuku). Malevolent Shrine only has a 200 Meter Radius, Divine Flame - Open has been calced with only vaporizing a 140 meter radius. Plus with Dragon massively upscaling from Ghouls who have Low-Mid regeneration, and it SEEMING nigh-instant, Malevolent Shrine's constant cutting and burning won't really do that much (at least in the long term). Only World Slash (which bypasses Durability through Space-Cutting) can do anything, but even that won't really amount to much, due to Dragon's size. The most range it can be given is Tens of Meters, given that Mahoraga slashed apart Gojo's arm and multiple buildings behind him, past a multi-laned street. And Sukuna using it on Hajime only appear Tens of Meters. Most of all, Sukuna has to Chant it along with Hand Signs, or impose himself a Binding Vow that sacrifices something in some way in order to achieve it.
Due to Tokyo Ghoul's not having any Emotional/Empathic supernatural energy systems. They do not have Cursed Energy via Verse Equalization.
Given that, Cursed Energy is Not lethal to it, as they are basically beyond Superhuman and their traits/features. Toji and Maki prove that strong enough individuals that are not sorcerers with Cursed Energy themselves, can handle Cursed Energy with no problem lickety-split.
Most of allSukuna has no way to combat the ROS. Especially with it being completely airborne, making it nigh-impossible to get away from, especially given time for more of it to be released. And ROS, not Just being poison, but it having Biology Manipulation completely affecting the Biological structure of its victims, specifically cancerous-like formations all over its body (Symptoms include Perception Degradation and Memory Loss), all stuff pertaining to the Brain as well, with any damage to the brain in JJK becoming incredibly risky. The Golems/minions Dragon summons when killed produce even more ROS at an accelerated pace upon death will just make the situation that much worse for Sukuna, essentially him just becoming a complete vegetable. And Reverse Cursed Technique at even the highest level can't remove that much toxins fast enough for problems to kick in.
Please inform me of anything that can help with this.
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How does him not seeing it just make him lose? Especially when Cleave and Dismantle can't even harm him...
Dismantle scales to his Striking Strength, and Cleave only Varies up to his strongest attack Divine Flame (else that would've been shown/talked about in his AP section), which still is lower in AP/Dura than Dragon.
Dismantle scales to his Striking Strength, and Cleave only Varies up to his strongest attack Divine Flame (else that would've been shown/talked about in his AP section), which still is lower in AP/Dura than Dragon.
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Technically cleave is below the divine flame which honestly can only be used inside the domain so I have no idea why his AP says "x tons with divine flame, higher with domain" cause the flames can only be used in the domain so that's its max value
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"Both Low 7-B"
Sukuna is not Low 7-B, thats for one single move which he needs to build up to active
Sukuna is not Low 7-B, thats for one single move which he needs to build up to active
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Divine Flame does not have to be used in his Domain. Look at him using it against Jogo. He just has to use Cleave and Dismantle before using it. I think you mean he can't use it when he's "outnumbered" unless he is in a domain.
Sukuna would have to unleash Black Flash and THEN use Divine Flame (likely within his Domain Expansion for more power) to do ANY Meaningful damage to Kaneki, besides World Slash. Due to Black Flash giving a 120% Multiplier, giving him at least 2.484 Megatons of TNT. But as before, that won't amount to much due to Dragon's unfathomable size and Regeneration.
Either way, EZ vote for Kaneki
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The calc is for the divine flame when using domain expansion so he can't go higher than that except with bf maybe
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Just realized, yeah that was in Domain Expansion against Mahoraga.
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Downgrade to High 7-C
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Sukuna is cooked
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You can do it now for Post-Dragon Kaneki.
And make him consume a lot of Ghouls beforehand to buff his Stats Values.
And make him consume a lot of Ghouls beforehand to buff his Stats Values.
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If the battle is in character, will Sukuna kill Kaneki from the very beginning or will he prefer to play?
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If you want, I can make the OP. and Close this Thread
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He'll prefer to play, esp if he knows if Kaneki is strong.
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With Sukuna's Low 7-B cancelled and Dragon promoted to Low 7-B, likely 7-A, the match against Dragon becomes unfair.
I think it's really worth reworking it using the Post-Dragon key. However, I don't know if Mahoraga will turn this match into a stomp
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Yeah, hence why I said
Arkansalter2
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He ain't ready for John EBG (he is in fact ready).
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Who is John EBG?
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Guessing it'll be fine then
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TG has received its final update and you can make a match. But won't it be a stomp because of the Mahoraga?
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Can't his Biological Manipulation (Cellular) mutate him into mush, and has Regeneration Negation through Poison.
Plus since everyone besides those with Heavenly Restriction has Cursed Energy. And Yuji at the VERY start of the Series against the Finger Bearer used Cursed Energy, without even knowing what it is. I feel like its possible for Kaneki to use it, esp with all the Trauma and negativity he has.
And whenever I use Full Power Sukuna. I always love doin a Gojo-replacement, in Shinjuku. So he'll have full Prior Knowledge.
IF NOT, I can just start him at True Form, where he can't use Ten Shadows Technique.
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Bio hax is owned by Dragon key. Post-Dragon just resists it.
Yes, the kagune has a regeneration negation. But isn't the whole point of RCT that it "turns back time" or something? I always thought it wasn't just regeneration, but a return to the original state
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Umm, no... Reverse Cursed Technique just heals the body, like converting the energy into blood/flesh. It uses Positive Energy, through multiplication of the Negative Energy (Cursed Energy) "quick maths" to literally regenerate the body biologically. And even then, Mahoraga's regeneration is not through Reverse Cursed Technique, but through his Evolution.
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Can't Ghouls use their Kagune as such on others through those "Secretions"?
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1) It's a Dragon key, so Fire Arrow and DE won't be as effective
2) After JJK recalculations, this match is AP stomp
3) Kaneki resists fire
4) Kaneki regenerates wounds from cuts just like Gojo
In theory, @Apotheosis69 wanted to make a match against Post-Dragon Kaneki
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I do And will. Just super busy.
Question: how far in AP stats can Accelerated Development (Training and other stuff like Ghoul Cannibalism can go)?
Cus I would like them to have incredibly similar statistics.
Question: how far in AP stats can Accelerated Development (Training and other stuff like Ghoul Cannibalism can go)?
Cus I would like them to have incredibly similar statistics.
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AD and RE are determined by the limited level, if you set the limits (for example, if you use the 8-A key, then the characters will reach its ceiling).
Or you can use the keys themselves, without limiting the level itself.
Kaneki's RE and AD depend on the amount of damage he receives.
At the beginning, the difference between Ken's and Sukuna's AP will be about 4-5 times in favor of Two-Face, but if he, due to his character, drags out the fight, then their strength will equalize.
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So at the START of the fight Kaneki can pretty much only go up to 100 Kilotons via his AD (Training/Cannibalism).
But DURING the fight he can do higher?
Ofc will use Post-Dragon
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Strengthening through cannibalism and training either requires external resources or takes a lot of time.
Half-ghouls' RE and AD are due to the fact that when their body is damaged, they form new RC channels, making them faster, stronger, and more powerful.
Kaneki does not have a 100 KT key. His Post-Dragon key is "At least 88 KT to 4.33 MT". So at the beginning, Sukuna will have an AP advantage of 5.8 times, which is enough to quickly end the fight, but due to Sukuna's nature and Kaneki's regen, this will not be the end of the fight. In the future, their stats will simply even out and there will be a bet on what happens next - Sukuna will use his trump cards in time or Kaneki will surpass him.
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I mean, Versus matches can have preparation time right? So Kaneki can do that right?
I'm saying that from what you said (for example, if you use the 8-A key, then the characters will reach its ceiling), then would their AP/Strike/Dura be the Tier's absolute highest Stat Value?
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Unfortunately, this is prohibited by the site rules.
"Even if a character has the potential to reach a certain tier, the use of any tier between that tier and the one it scales to is not allowed"
However, the difference between At least 88 KT and 100 KT is not so big that it really matters.
I guess that's how it's supposed to work. I would be glad if you could call the thread moderator so that he can help us. But anyway, I'm going to raise this issue in a separate thread when I have time.
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Considering that Kaneki and Sukuna don't have a common power level in their key, it's better to just use their last keys to battle. Thus, Sukuna has the opportunity to kill Kaneki at the beginning and in the middle of the fight, and Kaneki has the opportunity to survive Sukuna's first blow and start RE.
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Even then, Kaneki can still be stronger before the match. Given that's the entire purpose of AD (Training) and in specific is Cannabalism?
So like, let's say I can make Kaneki train. That can still increase his Stats values?
So like, let's say I can make Kaneki train. That can still increase his Stats values?
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