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Enies Lobby and Thriller Bark Merge

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As we know, Thriller Bark and Enies Lobby are extremely close to each other to where there is no notice of a strength change between them.

Outside of Zoro (new sword) and Luffy (merging gears), no straw hat has actually grown in strength.

I suggest we merge the keys.

From this note, CP9 will now scale through Franky's durability calc. Specifically through Lucci hurting him, as Fukurou and Blueno didn't really hurt Franky although they rival him in strength.
 
Have there been any checks for the consistency of this scaling change and what it would do for the ratings? Is the characters being that strong in the Enies Lobby Arc supported?
 
Kachon123 said:
Kuma told Moria that he may not be able to beat Luffy simply based on the fact that he defeated Lucci, so the two arcs sharing keys is pretty consistent.
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That'd mean Lucci > Moria right?

Anyway definitely agree with that logic. Makes no sense currently as we have it: if Moria concedes that he'd lose to Luffy because he defeated Lucci, then it makes no sense for Moria to be rated much higher than Lucci.
 
Makes sense, as said earlier, Kuma basically said that Moria was gonna get his ass beat by Luffy because Luffy could beat CP9's strongest agent. They also don't really progress/grow or develop anything after Enies Lobby until the time skip, so you could argue they stagnated after Enies Lobby.

So Enies Lobby, Thriller Bark, and Sabaody would all be in one key?
 
Mr.Cinos15 said:
Makes sense, as said earlier, Kuma basically said that Moria was gonna get his ass beat by Luffy because Luffy could beat CP9's strongest agent. They also don't really progress/grow or develop anything after Enies Lobby until the time skip, so you could argue they stagnated after Enies Lobby.

So Enies Lobby, Thriller Bark, and Sabaody would all be in one key?
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For everybody except Luffy, UNLESS we merge his Marineford key into it as well. I don't think he would've grown there either
 
KingTempest said:
For everybody except Luffy, UNLESS we merge his Marineford key into it as well. I don't think he would've grown there either
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Well, outside of his CoC development and him gaining antibodies for poison's from Iva, does Luffy show any signs of a level up in the Paramount saga?
 
Mr.Cinos15 said:
Well, outside of his CoC development and him gaining antibodies for poison's from Iva, does Luffy show any signs of a level up in the Paramount saga?
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We have him scaling to a speed feat from Iva in Marineford but it wouldn't change the scaling if he scaled earlier, although it would mildly upscale a few people (from like .33c to .5c)
 
KingTempest said:
We have him scaling to a speed feat from Iva in Marineford but it wouldn't change the scaling if he scaled earlier, although it would mildly upscale a few people (from like .33c to .5c)
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Is that the only difference? If so, then the key fusion should be fine. Unless of course there is an argument for keeping them separate.

What would the name of the key be?
 
Mr.Cinos15 said:
Is that the only difference? If so, then the key fusion should be fine. Unless of course there is an argument for keeping them separate.

What would the name of the key be?
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Enies Lobby - Paramount War
Or "Post Skypiea"
 
Do we need another bump or is the eval we have fine?
 
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MonkeyOfLife said:
From sabaody to Amazon lily to Impel down to then marineford being completely the same even tho Zoro said luffy grows stronger every island and especially when he's escaped death/tough situation would make no sense for him to not have grown massively stronger when he faced less danger in water 7 and grew much stronger in much less time
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Him getting stronger from W7 to EL was due to an emotional response of Robin.

Luffy growing stronger every arc isn't referencing him literally gaining muscle mass every time he steps on a new piece of land, nor is it noticeable growth in strength. He usually gains skills or experience or something. Thriller Bark was directly after Enies Lobby and he didn't go through anything there other than the shadows. Sabaody was a side trip, Amazon Lily was a baby trip too, then Impel Down was nothing except his poison boosting, and Marineford showed he literally hasn't grown and he needs to get stronger at a huge rate.
 
KingTempest said:
Marineford showed he literally hasn't grown and he needs to get stronger at a huge rate.
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Source? While injured, he knocked Koby unconscious with one regular punch despite Koby being able to harm his Base form Post-Enies Lobby.
 
SlendVeny said:
Source? While injured, he knocked Koby unconscious with one regular punch despite Koby being able to harm his Base form Post-Enies Lobby.
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He ran into his fist with Soru while Luffy hit him with a bullet. He basically put himself down. Also Koby being able to harm Luffy with a kick is inconsistency. He can't get hurt with kicks by randoms
 
KingTempest said:
Luffy couldn't get hurt with Alvida's spikes Koby's dull ass foot ain't doing nothing
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Well, the manga acknowledges that blunt attacks can't hurt him in the previous chapter, I doubt Oda forgot. Maybe he kicked him in the jaw so hard he bit the inside of his own mouth, we know he got hit hard enough it made his head go up, and then Luffy choke-slamming him barely did anything.
 
SlendVeny said:
Well, the manga acknowledges that blunt attacks can't hurt him in the previous chapter, I doubt Oda forgot. Maybe he kicked him in the jaw so hard he bit the inside of his own mouth, we know he got hit hard enough it made his head go up, and then Luffy choke-slamming him barely did anything.
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To an extent, but we do know that Luffy easily tracked his Soru while offguard and slammed him with no effort whatsoever. Luffy and Zoro were fully capable of killing.Koby and Helmeppo. Koby one shotting himself by running into Luffy's bullet just enforces it
 
SlendVeny said:
I suppose. But again, he knocked him unconscious instantly after already having taken hits from pretty high-tier Vice Admirals.
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Luffy got put down by 2 rokuogans to the point of unconsciousness then he defeated Lucci. Him being injured doesn't do much
 
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