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Giratina 5-Dimensional ?

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Actually, i'm posting this thread because a friend challenged me.

According to the Cosmology Blog, The Base Cosmology of Pokémon is 2-A ( Excluding Arceus' / The Heart's realm ). Supported by Masuda's statement saying infinite time and infinite space exists.

“When you first began work on Pokemon Diamond & Pokemon Pearl, what were your main goals? What do you think were the key elements to those games?”

Masuda: “I decided that ‘ultimate’ was the theme in the beginning. I set myself a task to pursue what was the ‘ultimate’ for Pokemon games, and started to act on this theme when making the games. When I asked myself what is ‘ultimate,’ I immediately knew I wanted to improve the level of communication, which is a core element of Pokemon games. In the games, players receive the Pokedex and start collecting Pokemon, which you need to do in order to trade with others. At the time of Ruby & Sapphire, people could trade their Pokemon with someone close by, but not with anyone overseas. I really wanted to do something about this. And that’s why I came up with the Global Trade Station (GTS). That’s what my goal was in the beginning — to create a user network. I want users to be able to connect to the world. That’s the ultimate style of trading for Pokemon. That was the goal. The key element was to create the storyline around the Pokemon in Sinnoh mythology. The relationship between all these Pokemon is the key element. I wanted to express the importance of the balance between substance — Dialga, the ruler of Time, and Palkia, the ruler of Space — and spirit — Uxie, Mesprit, Azelf. If the substance becomes too large, the balance of the spirit collapses. I wanted Dialga and Palkia to become counterparts for a sense of balance. Infinite time and infinite space — that to me is the ‘ultimate.'”

Another supporting scene is the Original Story, that was told by
Nando in the anime. And Palkia's Legend : Arceus Pokédex
" This Pokémon is feared as a deity in Hisuian legend. The birth of Palkia was what caused the walls of our world to disappear, creating a sky that spans for infinity. " Dialga and Palkia are the two Pokémons that maintain the balance of the multiverse, excluding Distortion World. Meaning, they can reach the whole infinite multiverse ( 2-A ). And then there's Giratina, or the Distortion World itself. There's no Space and Time inside the Distortion World Which means that Giratina is outside of Dialga & Palkia's Multiversal range ( 4-Dimensional, Spatial and Temporal ). This will make Giratina or Distortion World become a 5-Dimensional Pokémon, since it's outside the Base Cosmology, and the Attack Potency and Durability will become L1-C. I think it should get Beyond-Dimensional Type 1, too.

Conclusion :
Distortion World is a 5-Dimensional World, or L1-C.
And it will have Beyond-Dimensional Type 1.

Sorry if there's a grammar mistake, not that good in English.
 
I dunno, man. I feel this may cause some circular scaling issues regarding the Creation Trio since they equally personify their respective aspects (time for Dialga, space for Palkia, and the void for Giratina). That and, in Pokemon Platinum itself, the Distortion World itself is accessible within the confines of the main game's universe. Assuming Pokemon Platinum's events are relevant to AU Cyrus' deal in the Rainbow Rocket substory of Pokemon Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon, well...

"However, as he explains to the player, he was engulfed by a mysterious shadow during his moment of victory and transported to the game's world."

If Bulbapedia's summary is correct, if the shadow engulfing Cyrus during his victory took place within the Distortion World (as Cyrus was swiped by Giratina), it would mean that whatever shadow that was was able to reach the Distortion World just fine. Again, that is assuming PLatinum's events are more canon than DP's events. That makes it more likely that the Distortion World is the void between worlds rather than the void outside of worlds.
 
I dunno, man. I feel this may cause some circular scaling issues regarding the Creation Trio since they equally personify their respective aspects (time for Dialga, space for Palkia, and the void for Giratina). That and, in Pokemon Platinum itself, the Distortion World itself is accessible within the confines of the main game's universe. Assuming Pokemon Platinum's events are relevant to AU Cyrus' deal in the Rainbow Rocket substory of Pokemon Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon, well...

"However, as he explains to the player, he was engulfed by a mysterious shadow during his moment of victory and transported to the game's world."

If Bulbapedia's summary is correct, if the shadow engulfing Cyrus during his victory took place within the Distortion World (as Cyrus was swiped by Giratina), it would mean that whatever shadow that was was able to reach the Distortion World just fine. Again, that is assuming PLatinum's events are more canon than DP's events. That makes it more likely that the Distortion World is the void between worlds rather than the void outside of worlds.
I think the "shadow" could be Giratina. Giratina could appear as a shadow when it goes out of the Distortion World, like this. because Cyrus wanted to reset the world, which will affect the Distortion World. And if the Distortion World is a void between worlds, Time and Space should be there, but it's not. There's no thing such as time or space inside the Distortion World, meaning that Dialga and Palkia can't reach it. I know Dialga was once inside the Distortion World when it was getting pulled inside by Giratina, and then it can make a Time Loop inside. But, Giratina doesn't get the loop again after Dialga ran away, proved later in the movie that it can get out of the Distortion World. Simply, they should be inside the Distortion World first so that they can use their power... Which is impossible without Giratina forcing them to go inside... Or maybe like an invite (?).
 
None of this is 5-D.

Giratina is literally just the opposite of existence (Time and Space) through being Anti-Matter (or better non-existence in the verse's context), it's defintely not a transcendence given that's more a duality like Yin and Yang.

It's pretty obvious that it'd be both outside space and time and also lacking these concepts, given its whole thing is being their opposite. Plus everything in the Pokémon medias potrays the members of the Creation Trio as all in the same ballpark, saying that Giratina is infinitely above Dialga and Palkia simply makes 0 sense.

Plus outside =/= transcending anyway. People who travel between timelines effectively go outside of their timeline, but it doesn't mean they become 5-D in the travel.
 
None of this is 5-D.

Giratina is literally just the opposite of existence (Time and Space) through being Anti-Matter (or better non-existence in the verse's context), it's defintely not a transcendence given that's more a duality like Yin and Yang.

It's pretty obvious that it'd be both outside space and time and also lacking these concepts, given its whole thing is being their opposite. Plus everything in the Pokémon medias potrays the members of the Creation Trio as all in the same ballpark, saying that Giratina is infinitely above Dialga and Palkia simply makes 0 sense.

Plus outside =/= transcending anyway. People who travel between timelines effectively go outside of their timeline, but it doesn't mean they become 5-D in the travel.
From what i've seen, Giratina is above Dialga and Palkia, and it's still in its Altered Forme. In the beginning of Giratina and the Sky Warrior, Dialga doesn't even know that a portal to the Distortion World is going to open. Resulting in it getting captured by Giratina. Simply, both of them don't know the location of the Distortion World, which is why Dialga couldn't sense Giratina coming. Like what i've said up there ( on my thread ), both of their range or how far they can know anything is on a Multiversal Scale ( Infinite Multiversal specifically ). But none of them know the location of Distortion World, meaning it's outside their reach.
 
From what i've seen, Giratina is above Dialga and Palkia, and it's still in its Altered Forme.
Not by an infinite degree.
In the beginning of Giratina and the Sky Warrior, Dialga doesn't even know that a portal to the Distortion World is going to open. Resulting in it getting captured by Giratina. Simply, both of them don't know the location of the Distortion World, which is why Dialga couldn't sense Giratina coming. Like what i've said up there ( on my thread ), both of their range or how far they can know anything is on a Multiversal Scale ( Infinite Multiversal specifically ). But none of them know the location of Distortion World, meaning it's outside their reach.
This is just beyond baseline 2-A range.
 
Not by an infinite degree.
If Giratina is using its Altered Forme, i agree. But if it's inside the Distortion World, i think it's more and more above them, and reaching infinite. Giratina doesn't have the concepts that created infinite universes in itself (Distortion World), supported by some scenes i've sent, Distortion World is a 5-Dimensional world.
This is just beyond baseline 2-A range.
After what i've explain ( up there ) L1-C is good.
 
If Giratina is using its Altered Forme, i agree. But if it's inside the Distortion World, i think it's more and more above them, and reaching infinite. Giratina doesn't have the concepts that created infinite universes in itself (Distortion World), supported by some scenes i've sent, Distortion World is a 5-Dimensional world.
The Distortion World literally doesn't have universes, it's only the opposite of them. Plus the fact that Dialga was not only capable of still fighting back Giratina, but also seal it in a time loop kinda debunks this.

Plus Distortion World being 5D means that it's superior to the realms of existence, which is completely nonsense due to it being a duality.
 
The Distortion World literally doesn't have universes, it's only the opposite of them. Plus the fact that Dialga was not only capable of still fighting back Giratina, but also seal it in a time loop kinda debunks this.
I didn't say Distortion World have universes, what i meant was Distortion World doesn't have two concepts that created the universes. About the Time Loop, i think the only way to use their power is when they're inside the Distortion World, which is impossible without Giratina pulling them inside. Later in the movie, Giratina could go out of the Distortion World again when Dialga is not inside there...
Plus Distortion World being 5D means that it's superior to the realms of existence, which is completely nonsense due to it being a duality.
It doesn't mean that Distortion World is the same like other realms. I know it keeps the balance over the universes, destroying it will affect the multiverse. Meaning that Distortion World is "atleast" equal to infinite number of universes, i'm talking about the size of Distortion World here. This is a more simple explanation :
Size of Distortion World = Whole Infinite Multiverse.
And it's a duality, alright.
But that doesn't make it the same like the others just because it's a duality. Back again, it's 5-Dimensional since it's outside the reach of space & time. Being the opposite doesn't mean it has the same size but with a different location...
( Is it easy to understand what am i saying? Sorry if it's not )
 
I didn't say Distortion World have universes, what i meant was Distortion World doesn't have two concepts that created the universes.
This isn't 5-D. Characters who qualify for Type 1 BDE also lack spatio-temporal qualities, yet they're not transcendent.
About the Time Loop, i think the only way to use their power is when they're inside the Distortion World, which is impossible without Giratina pulling them inside. Later in the movie, Giratina could go out of the Distortion World again when Dialga is not inside there...
  1. This is going by only your opinion.
  2. This still proves that Dialga isn't infinitely weaker.
But that doesn't make it the same like the others just because it's a duality. Back again, it's 5-Dimensional since it's outside the reach of space & time. Being the opposite doesn't mean it has the same size but with a different location...
A duality implies that each part is the equivalent of the other due to it being a balance
 
This isn't 5-D. Characters who qualify for Type 1 BDE also lack spatio-temporal qualities, yet they're not transcendent.
I know about the Type 1 BDE, and Giratina is qualified. It doesn't have the concept of time or space, it's non-existence.
  1. This is going by only your opinion.
  2. This still proves that Dialga isn't infinitely weaker.
There's a proof in the movie, i think that makes my opinion is correct.
Another answer for Dialga's power : Dialga's time power is above everything excluding Arceus or The Heart, because it could bypass Giratina's BDE Type 1.
duality implies that each part is the equivalent of the other due to it being a balance
Yes. In this case, Distortion World and the multiverse is a duality, but it's not about their dimension. The thing that made them became a duality is because Distortion World is connected to the multiverse. But this is not about their dimension.
 
Do you actually believe this or is just a joke?
What i meant about that is, Dialga's Time Manipulation is above the baseline because it could affect Giratina inside the Distortion World, well, that's just a solution to the issue between them. Sorry man i was sleepy. I think i messed up here.
 
Will this thread got closed by itself? Cuz i think i'm finished now.
 
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