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Giratina Outer Maybe?

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Giratina's world is conceptually without Space and Time which in pokemon is Material Composition. Shouldn't this get Giratina Origin Forme to Outerversal since he is conceptually without time and space and has beaten Palkia and Dialga?
 
Yeah, just lacking space and time, even conceptually, isn't enough in and on itself to get 1-A
It's not lacking if it's shown to be superior to the embodiment of space and time. It's just being conceptually superior.
 
Palkia is Spacial dimensions and is consistently infinite space therefore High Hyper.
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Giratina's world is conceptually without Space and Time which in pokemon is Material Composition. Shouldn't this get Giratina Origin Forme to Outerversal since he is conceptually without time and space and has beaten Palkia and Dialga?

No, it's BDE1, to get 1-A, you need more.
 
Palkia is Spacial dimensions and is consistently infinite space therefore High Hyper.
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it dont say those are infinite dimensions, it would mean 1-2-3-4 standards dimensions

No its not and its in a world thats infinite Dimensional and beat both the embodiment of them
beat them in combat dont mean you are ontologically superior to them,
 
It's not lacking if it's shown to be superior to the embodiment of space and time. It's just being conceptually superior.
You need more context for that, even that character is conceptually superior.
No its not and its in a world thats infinite Dimensional and beat both the embodiment of them
Yeah, beat the embodiment of them doesn't mean you superior than them. Besides, depends on context, sometimes embodiment of infinite dimensional not really infinite dimensional themselves.
Palkia is Spacial dimensions and is consistently infinite space therefore High Hyper.
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Infinite space mean that space have infinite size (I'm not really see it in ur scan, anyway). Infinite space ≠ infinite dimensional. Again, you need more evidences to get 1-A.
 
You need more context for that, even that character is conceptually superior.

Yeah, beat the embodiment of them doesn't mean you superior than them. Besides, depends on context, sometimes embodiment of infinite dimensional not really infinite dimensional themselves.

Infinite space mean that space have infinite size (I'm not really see it in ur scan, anyway). Infinite space ≠ infinite dimensional. Again, you need more evidences to get 1-A.
If Palkia and Dialga birthed space and time and are their creators and embodiments they should be superior also. It's explicitly infinite and space.refers to spacial dimensions in Pokémon
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If Palkia and Dialga birthed space and time and are their creators and embodiments they should be superior also. It's explicitly infinite and space.refers to spacial dimensions in Pokémon
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Again, having an infinite and a space in one sentence mean nothing, no one said it isn't spatial dimensions, the thing is, spatial dimensions being infinite in length/size is not the same as having infinite amounts of spatial dimension


Again, what i have said above, time is eternal, or infinite is just refering to its length, not how many it is, same with space, literally it is just infinite space and eternal time. You are hyper focusing and narrowing down the definition of texts to suit what you are believing
 
Again, having an infinite and a space in one sentence mean nothing, no one said it isn't spatial dimensions, the thing is, spatial dimensions being infinite in length/size is not the same as having infinite amounts of spatial dimension


Again, what i have said above, time is eternal, or infinite is just refering to its length, not how many it is, same with space, literally it is just infinite space and eternal time. You are hyper focusing and narrowing down the definition of texts to suit what you are believing
They literally have multiple temporal dimensions Dialga makes time move in different directions at minimum that is 5d (4D time + 1 more.) Yet they call it infinite making it so it's more likely than not Infinite Time as in infinite dimensional. Also they are literally called the master of spatial dimensions and called infinite space. What makes it the size of the dimensions over anything else. That's just an assumption while the scans seem to make it so it's dimensionality based.
 
They literally have multiple temporal dimensions Dialga makes time move in different directions
Time move in different directions isn't mean multiple temporal dimensions, wth?, time can move forward, backward, loop, curve like snake and it still a single time axis. Also scan for this claim?


Yet they call it infinite making it so it's more likely than not Infinite Time as in infinite dimensional.
You didn't read don't you?, infinite time =/= infinite amount of temporal dimensions, where the hell you get the idea that time being infinite = having infinite amount of temporal dimension?, also even if it was, infinite temporal dimension can still be argued as only 2-A, cause literally 2-A is infinite timelines with each timeline already be it own time axis


Also they are literally called the master of spatial dimensions and called infinite space.
Being master of this and that mean nothing, and again, infinite space is just space is infinite in size, where the hell you get the idea that infinite space = having infinite amounts of spatial dimensions?


What makes it the size of the dimensions over anything else. That's just an assumption while the scans seem to make it so it's dimensionality based.
It is common sense bro, also funny is you called my argument assumption while literally you make an assumption yourself by saying infinite space must referring to dimensionality, not size despite the statement saying space is infinite and made a very bad logic that is infinite space = infinite dimensional lol, anyway at this point i think i don't need to reply anymore, cause you made mistake even in trying to comprehend the definition of texts you provided
 
If Palkia and Dialga birthed space and time and are their creators and embodiments they should be superior also. It's explicitly infinite and space.refers to spacial dimensions in Pokémon
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Yes, it is a well-known fact that space will consist of spatial dimensions but it does not imply any higher dimensions. Just as an infinite spatial dimension will consist of 3 dimensions corresponding to High 3-A, and an infinite time corresponding to Low 2-C. Creating or embodying something does not transcend it. Simply because characters embody or create concepts, clearly no one is saying that they transcend concepts. Same goes for creating or embodying space and time.
 
Yes, it is a well-known fact that space will consist of spatial dimensions but it does not imply any higher dimensions. Just as an infinite spatial dimension will consist of 3 dimensions corresponding to High 3-A, and an infinite time corresponding to Low 2-C. Creating or embodying something does not transcend it. Simply because characters embody or create concepts, clearly no one is saying that they transcend concepts. Same goes for creating or embodying space and time.
Do you know what a Spacial Dimension is? It's a geometric dimensions something like 4d. It's inherently an extradimensional space if it's infinite. It's high 1-B.
 
Time move in different directions isn't mean multiple temporal dimensions, wth?, time can move forward, backward, loop, curve like snake and it still a single time axis. Also scan for this claim?



You didn't read don't you?, infinite time =/= infinite amount of temporal dimensions, where the hell you get the idea that time being infinite = having infinite amount of temporal dimension?, also even if it was, infinite temporal dimension can still be argued as only 2-A, cause literally 2-A is infinite timelines with each timeline already be it own time axis



Being master of this and that mean nothing, and again, infinite space is just space is infinite in size, where the hell you get the idea that infinite space = having infinite amounts of spatial dimensions?



It is common sense bro, also funny is you called my argument assumption while literally you make an assumption yourself by saying infinite space must referring to dimensionality, not size despite the statement saying space is infinite and made a very bad logic that is infinite space = infinite dimensional lol, anyway at this point i think i don't need to reply anymore, cause you made mistake even in trying to comprehend the definition of texts you provided


Also no. I'm just using the fact it's called dimension and infinite it's literally spacial dimensions.
 
Yes, it is a well-known fact that space will consist of spatial dimensions but it does not imply any higher dimensions. Just as an infinite spatial dimension will consist of 3 dimensions corresponding to High 3-A, and an infinite time corresponding to Low 2-C. Creating or embodying something does not transcend it. Simply because characters embody or create concepts, clearly no one is saying that they transcend concepts. Same goes for creating or embodying space and time.
Also creating space and time logically means you predate space and time. Never said Palkia and Dialga were Outer. Only Giratina.
 
This entire thread is forgetting that Dialga put Giratina into a ******* timeloop, so the statement that Giratina is beyond time and space just means Palkia/Dialga can't reach the Distortion World(Giratina) under normal circumstances.

Giratina is my favorite Pokémon and it's not even close BTW, so throw those bias accusations I can already hear coming out the window


Also no. I'm just using the fact it's called dimension and infinite it's literally spacial dimensions.

WoG needs backing in the source material. This isn't backed in the source material, find a post to spam that is.
 
This entire thread is forgetting that Dialga put Giratina into a ******* timeloop, so the statement that Giratina is beyond time and space just means Palkia/Dialga can't reach the Distortion World(Giratina) under normal circumstances.

Giratina is my favorite Pokémon and it's not even close BTW, so throw those bias accusations I can already hear coming out the window

WoG needs backing in the source material. This isn't backed in the source material, find a post to spam that is.
Yeah and Giratina wasn't affected by the time loop and also that was its altered form.
 
Do you know what a Spacial Dimension is? It's a geometric dimensions something like 4d. It's inherently an extradimensional space if it's infinite. It's high 1-B.
A 4-D structure including 3 spatial dimensions and 1 temporal dimension or 4 spatial dimensions.
Can't maintain balance to space and time if 0D via lacking space and time therefore must be superior.

Also they beat them and they both need to fight giratina to match it.


They literally have multiple temporal dimensions Dialga makes time move in different directions at minimum that is 5d (4D time + 1 more.) Yet they call it infinite making it so it's more likely than not Infinite Time as in infinite dimensional. Also they are literally called the master of spatial dimensions and called infinite space. What makes it the size of the dimensions over anything else. That's just an assumption while the scans seem to make it so it's dimensionality based.
The superiority here requires the superiority to make a qualitative difference to achieve 1-A. Even if your argument is correct, it still requires proving the superiority in quality. I think you are just putting more burden on yourself because a 1-A character simply transcends all spacetime levels while your argument implies the opposite. Regarding that, I don't know where you base your conclusion. Vietthai has explained it clearly so I won't repeat it. Regarding the second issue, feats 2-C to 2-A all show different time and space streams. And it's clearly not necessarily dimensionally superior.
 
Yeah and Giratina wasn't affected by the time loop and also that was its altered form.
You're now claiming that the two forms have a beyond uncountable-infinite Dimensional difference between them when they fight the same characters of Palkia and Dialga. Consistently.

Are you ******* with me?

Is Adam Kutcher gonna come out of my wall and say 'Gotcha *****'?
 
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