Tuna Kaslana speed upgrade

[Kubo423]

This CRT seems to be rejected, so I guess I can post this.

I've fixed the OG calc, which had a slight error in the timeframe. This will only affect the CoF key.

option 1: At least Relativistic flight speed, FTL reaction and combat speed, Massively FTL+ attack speed with Bullet of Finality (Kiana sniped SA from the Moon to a dwarf planet approximately 4500 AU away from the Sun in a short timeframe, making the bullet this fast.) This option will only scale to attack speed. If we look at it from a glance, it seems like the scaling is only related to attack speed, with the bullet traveling a long distance to reach its target. However, let's look at option 2.

option 2: Massively FTL+ (Kiana sniped SA from the Moon to a dwarf planet approximately 4500 AU away from the Sun in a short timeframe. With Honkai energy being an UES, the speed of her finger shot will scale to her stats, making her this fast.) With the fact that Honkai Energy also boosts strength and speed, I believe this case presents no problem for scaling that speed to her stats because she currently possesses virtually all the Honkai Energy in the verse.

option 3: Infinite speed, going by this, seems to suggest that her very existence isn't governed by time anymore. This could be considered as Infinite speed ig.

Votes:
Option 1: @ActuallySpaceMan42, @DarkDragonMedeus
Option 2:
Option 3:

*If there are any parts with bad English, sorry for my poor English skills

 

[GarrixianXD]

Looking back, I'm going to be neutral now. Though, disagree with the Infinite speed proposal since nothing you linked gives infinite speed.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Following

 

[Mizuki67]

This

wank: Infinite speed, going by this, seems to suggest that her very existence isn't governed by time anymore. This could be considered as Infinite speed ig.

What you are proposing is Infinite speed but it is more like you are asking for Immeasurable speed. She is just unaffected by changes in time. It does not have anything to do with speed

 

[RoninSlayer200]

agree with option 1

 

[SODAKU]

I agree with option 2 as it's already accepted that honkai is a UES and i don't see any reason for her not to scale (if anyone asks why couldn't she just fly there and shoot Sa without needing someone to tell her coordinates if she scales to MFTL+ , she can't leave the moon)

 

[GarrixianXD]

UES doesn’t work like that. And I disagree with option 2; AP and dura scales from UES attacks but not speed.

 

[SODAKU]

UES doesn’t work like that. And I disagree with option 2; AP and dura scales from UES attacks but not speed.

UES should work like that.

Universal Energy System: Universal Energy Systems (alternatively called a Universal Power System or a Connective Energy System) are systems in which a feat, whether it is one of physical statistics (Striking Strength or Durability) or of supernatural powers (e.g. energy beams), would also scale to all other statistics.

Straight from the UES page

 

[GarrixianXD]

UES should work like that.

Universal Energy System: Universal Energy Systems (alternatively called a Universal Power System or a Connective Energy System) are systems in which a feat, whether it is one of physical statistics (Striking Strength or Durability) or of supernatural powers (e.g. energy beams), would also scale to all other statistics.

Straight from the UES page

There’s also this:

That means if such a character for instance demonstrates a Building level fireball spell, they would be assumed to have at least Building level Striking Strength, Attack Potency and Durability. If they have other spells, like for example water blades, they would be assumed to be able to output similar attack power with those spells.

We don’t assume characters who can fire a laser beam is light speed. Though, I’d admit that description is misleading, since attack potency is not proportional to speed on this wiki and therefore doesn’t necessarily scale to all of their statistics.

 

[Kubo423]

disagree with the Infinite speed proposal since nothing you linked gives infinite speed.

She is just unaffected by changes in time. It does not have anything to do with speed

Ahh i see.

We don’t assume characters who can fire a laser beam is light speed. Though, I’d admit that description is misleading, since attack potency is not proportional to speed on this wiki and therefore doesn’t necessarily scale to all of their statistics.

If that's the case, then goodbye option 2.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

UES doesn’t work like that. And I disagree with option 2; AP and dura scales from UES attacks but not speed.

Actually, it is possible for speed scaling to be UES based, but not always the case. Though often times, there is a case where mental speed doesn't always scale from physical speed. And I cannot confirm if Honkai is an example that follows this. And more or less agree with you in details atm either way though.

 

[GarrixianXD]

Actually, it is possible for speed scaling to be UES based, but not always the case. Though often times, there is a case where mental speed doesn't always scale from physical speed. And I cannot confirm if Honkai is an example that follows this. And more or less agree with you in details atm either way though.

Oh, I see. My bad then. Though, by the context given in the calculation, I not sure if it can apply though. @Shiroiyo can help.

 

[Shiroiyo]

Oh, I see. My bad then. Though, by the context given in the calculation, I not sure if it can apply though. @Shiroiyo can help.

Currently, Honkai energy is accepted to boost travel, reaction and attack speed and losing HE also makes you slower.

I think this should be enough, but I will let staff decide.

 

[Kubo423]

Bump

 

[Kubo423]

Bump

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Option 1 seems the most reasonable to me, but that me just be because I don't really know the verse.

 

[Kubo423]

Option 1 seems the most reasonable to me, but that me just be because I don't really know the verse.

In the early game, the verse has already shown that character X dodged a light-speed attack at very close range and outsped character Y while wearing a battle suit with more Honkai energy than character Y, who fired the light-speed attack. After that event, character X gets stomped by character Y, who now has even more Honkai energy than before.

I don't know if this case can scale to her stats via UES or not because I'm not familiar with the UES standard.

Furthermore, as @Shiroiyo mentioned, Honkai energy is also accepted for speed scaling.

Currently, Honkai energy is accepted to boost travel, reaction and attack speed and losing HE also makes you slower.

I think this should be enough, but I will let staff decide.

@ActuallySpaceMan42 Sorry to bother you again, but if your opinion has changed, please let me know. Thanks so much

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

@GarrixianXD
I don't really know this verse, and you've been doing the CRTs for it so what do you think?

 

[GarrixianXD]

@GarrixianXD
I don't really know this verse, and you've been doing the CRTs for it so what do you think?

Shiroiyo said option 2 works fine since Honkai Energy boosts all statistics including speed. I’ll be fine with that option if that’s the case.

 

[Kubo423]

Actually, it is possible for speed scaling to be UES based, but not always the case. Though often times, there is a case where mental speed doesn't always scale from physical speed. And I cannot confirm if Honkai is an example that follows this. And more or less agree with you in details atm either way though.

I don't really know this verse, and you've been doing the CRTs for it so what do you think?

@DarkDragonMedeus @ActuallySpaceMan42 Sorry to bother you again , but could you let me know which option you have chosen at this time?

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

As long as you can provide a blog or some scan that Honkai Energy boosts speed, then sure.

 

[Kubo423]

As long as you can provide a blog or some scan that Honkai Energy boosts speed, then sure.

I guess it's these two.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

I guess it's these two.

Ok, so the first one says they have an Honkai-powered convertor that controls the flow of air, and through that, boosts the wielder's speed, so this wouldn't be a direct amp.

The second scan seems to be referring to genetics, which in turn makes them stronger, faster, and more regenerative than normal. While this does seem to be because their vessels can handle and convert Honkai better, no statement says this is a 1:1.

We have no clue how much Honkai equals how big of a speed amp, or if just cause your Honkai Energy can launch an FTL Attack, that means you can move at that speed. So yeah, I disagree with Option 2, and still go with Option 1.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Ok, so the first one says they have an Honkai-powered convertor that controls the flow of air, and through that, boosts the wielder's speed, so this wouldn't be a direct amp.

The second scan seems to be referring to genetics, which in turn makes them stronger, faster, and more regenerative than normal. While this does seem to be because their vessels can handle and convert Honkai better, no statement says this is a 1:1.

We have no clue how much Honkai equals how big of a speed amp, or if just cause your Honkai Energy can launch an FTL Attack, that means you can move at that speed. So yeah, I disagree with Option 2, and still go with Option 1.

I think this sounds reasonable then.

 

[Kubo423]

Since 2 staff members agree with option one, can this CRT be applied since it's just a minor upgrade? Or does it still need one more staff agreement?

 

[Kubo423]

Bump

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Since 2 staff members agree with option one, can this CRT be applied since it's just a minor upgrade? Or does it still need one more staff agreement?

Get one more just in case

 

[Kubo423]

I already asked Ant, and he is fine with applying this CRT since option one is an additional speed with an accepted calculation for only one key.

Shiroiyo said option 2 works fine since Honkai Energy boosts all statistics including speed. I’ll be fine with that option if that’s the case.

Currently, Honkai energy is accepted to boost travel, reaction and attack speed and losing HE also makes you slower.

I think this should be enough, but I will let staff decide.

@Shiroiyo @GarrixianXD Sorry to bother you , but are both of you okay with this CRT being applied?

 

[Shiroiyo]

I already asked Ant, and he is fine with applying this CRT since option one is an additional speed with an accepted calculation for only one key.


@Shiroiyo @GarrixianXD Sorry to bother you , but are both of you okay with this CRT being applied?

Go ahead