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Looney Tunes Discussion

Expect a verse-wide nuke in the coming future. Honestly, being the verse’s main supporter’s been making me a bit stressed. I really don’t feel like I’m smart enough to keep it in the high tiers. I’ll continue to be an advocate for Toon Force but I don’t know how much longer I would want to argue for this verse anymore.
 
DimeUhDozen said:
Expect a verse-wide nuke in the coming future. Honestly, being the verse’s main supporter’s been making me a bit stressed. I really don’t feel like I’m smart enough to keep it in the high tiers. I’ll continue to be an advocate for Toon Force but I don’t know how much longer I would want to argue for this verse anymore.
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Sorry if it's been rough on you.

It really does deserve more love & attention, even if I'm not sure how to help often times.
 
Imaginym said:
Sorry if it's been rough on you.

It really does deserve more love & attention, even if I'm not sure how to help often times.
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It’s fine. I wouldn’t expect a verse like this to receive as much attention and dissection as verses like One Piece or JJK.

I know there are some arguments to be made about it’s higher standings and I’ve even gotten as far as establishing a UES for the varying tiers. But I just keep second guessing myself lately. I’m not even sure how long that will last. So, if it all gets wiped, I don’t feel like I could do a very good job of defending it anyway.
 
DimeUhDozen said:
Expect a verse-wide nuke in the coming future. Honestly, being the verse’s main supporter’s been making me a bit stressed. I really don’t feel like I’m smart enough to keep it in the high tiers. I’ll continue to be an advocate for Toon Force but I don’t know how much longer I would want to argue for this verse anymore.
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I'm sorry to hear that, as I also do feel your pain when it comes to being the main supporters for certain verses to the point where you're the only one having to argue for the most important scaling that you worked hard on proposing on your own.
 
Propellus said:
I'm sorry to hear that, as I also do feel your pain when it comes to being the main supporters for certain verses to the point where you're the only one having to argue for the most important scaling that you worked hard on proposing on your own.
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It really has been like that. Especially with a verse that has as much preconceived notions as this one to the point that I keep hearing the same arguments that are blatantly misinformation. I am genuinely invested in the verse and I adore it. But it’s getting very hard to defend it.

Disney scaling has been speaking to me though. For one, I know the verse peaks at Tier 4, maybe universal with some Dream World scaling, so that’s generally easier to work with.

But right now, I’m just insanely rambling to myself is what it feels like. To be perfectly honest when it comes to the Tier 1 stuff, I have been winging it. Higher-dimensional stuff confuses me, and I knew the bullet was coming when I saw the writing on the wall. I just decided to give it a shot anyways. But the fact of the matter is, the verse is not going to last long. And I do apologize for that.
 
DimeUhDozen said:
It’s fine. I wouldn’t expect a verse like this to receive as much attention and dissection as verses like One Piece or JJK.
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It should!
It's famous, pioneered an industry & many genres & is older than most series!
Heck, it's nearly as old as animation itself!
It is not a small verse to just be shunned or shut away!
DimeUhDozen said:
I know there are some arguments to be made about it’s higher standings and I’ve even gotten as far as establishing a UES for the varying tiers. But I just keep second guessing myself lately. I’m not even sure how long that will last. So, if it all gets wiped, I don’t feel like I could do a very good job of defending it anyway.
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You do great work, & should be confident.

& if you ever want help with it, feel free to contact me & I'll try & see what I can do!

& the fact that you care for it & question if you're good enough are in itself good. You don't blindly love it, you ask yourself why & find new reason to enjoy it, & you don't simply assume you're the best, you ask how you can do better.

Confidence without reason is arrogance, but NEVER think you aren't worthy, or that your work has no one who appreciates it. For everything that can be done, there are those who value it.
& I value you, what you do & this verse.
 
Holy mother of bump . A genuine question after seeing the R>F rejection earlier, which is a really similar question I have about Harold and the purple crayon

As we already have in the profiles and confirmed by the creators / cartoon, the inherent part of being a toon is that anything is possible. So, wouldn't that very fact explain away how they can perform R>F things and negate it being an anti-feat ?
 
The_2nd_Existential_Seed said:
Holy mother of bump . A genuine question after seeing the R>F rejection earlier, which is a really similar question I have about Harold and the purple crayon

As we already have in the profiles and confirmed by the creators / cartoon, the inherent part of being a toon is that anything is possible. So, wouldn't that very fact explain away how they can perform R>F things and negate it being an anti-feat ?
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Yeah, I mean. Cartoon Physics in general are said to defy normal physics. So an argument could be made for that. But the mods might be sticklers about that so… shrugs.
 
DimeUhDozen said:
Yeah, I mean. Cartoon Physics in general are said to defy normal physics. So an argument could be made for that. But the mods might be sticklers about that so… shrugs.
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I'll try it and see what happens. I'll link it here when I make it. Because this statement isn't just about what Toons can do, it's a meta statement that Anything is possible in a cartoon, which would apply to all of Looney Tunes, which means extremely early into Looney Tunes' career they already gave themselves a built-in explanation for any anti-feats essentially.
 
The_2nd_Existential_Seed said:
I'll try it and see what happens. I'll link it here when I make it. Because this statement isn't just about what Toons can do, it's a meta statement that Anything is possible in a cartoon, which would apply to all of Looney Tunes, which means extremely early into Looney Tunes' career they already gave themselves a built-in explanation for any anti-feats essentially.
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Bump. I said I would do it, and I try not to go against my word, so if any Looney Tunes supporters could asssist me with bringing this to light, that'd be wonderful. I'm also unsure if Tier 1 knowledgeable members are needed since this isn't an Tier 1 upgrade, just a feat to clarify a counter to the Anti-Feats of R>F Toons

The_2nd_Existential_Seed

Thread 'Looney Tunes Anti-Feat Reconsideration for Tier 1 (Plus a possible note on the Versus page about this)'

Hello everyone. This is Seed here. Since the evidence for this upgrade is already on deck and accepted on the Looney Tunes Toon Physiology page, I'm not going to be making this into some essay long argument. The argument is pretty simple.

Extremely early into Looney Tunes' career, Looney Tunes' very own Slyester the Cat breaks the fourth wall here:

() .

He basically explains away what he's doing as 'Anything is possible within a Cartoon' . Now, am I saying this is free reign to say that it can become High 1-A or anything ...
 
DimeUhDozen said:
Yeah, I mean. Cartoon Physics in general are said to defy normal physics. So an argument could be made for that. But the mods might be sticklers about that so… shrugs.
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I CALL UPON THEE AND AWAKEN YOU FROM YOUR ETERNAL SLUMBER !

... ahem

So uh, what should we do about the Looniversity Reboot ? I'm watching it right now so if I find anything I'm definitely bringing it up here, but I figured I should ask anyways.

Episode 1 straight up shows the Toons being able to do Reality Warping. Like, just straight up Reality Warping, before they are even taught how to even be a Toon.
 
The_2nd_Existential_Seed said:
Episode 1 straight up shows the Toons being able to do Reality Warping. Like, just straight up Reality Warping, before they are even taught how to even be a Toon.
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We already index them as possessing such ability, btw:
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The_2nd_Existential_Seed said:
I CALL UPON THEE AND AWAKEN YOU FROM YOUR ETERNAL SLUMBER !

... ahem

So uh, what should we do about the Looniversity Reboot ? I'm watching it right now so if I find anything I'm definitely bringing it up here, but I figured I should ask anyways.

Episode 1 straight up shows the Toons being able to do Reality Warping. Like, just straight up Reality Warping, before they are even taught how to even be a Toon.
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That’s in a whole other continuity since it messes with the lore of the original Tiny Toons quite a bit.
 
Hey, can you guys check at my thread? I feel like it's dying.
 
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I unfortunately don't think it is.

Anyway, I've been checking up some feats after having just watched both analysis videos from Death Battle's channel (Tom's got uploaded a while ago), and it appears that the Road Runner has also been an animator like Bugs, Elmer and Taz were.
 
Tonygameman said:
I unfortunately don't think it is.

Anyway, I've been checking up some feats after having just watched both analysis videos from Death Battle's channel (Tom's got uploaded a while ago), and it appears that the Road Runner has also been an animator like Bugs, Elmer and Taz were.
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Are the comics canon ? If so we can use it and even look through the comics for feats/explanations of toon stuff.
 
Yo

So, this thread was approved, with the Film Reel now being accepted as a Low 1-C structure

I'm about to re-write the section about it on my cosmology blog (Which is the one we currently use on the wiki), do you people think this is a good justification?:
The Film Reel is a literal film reel which exists on it's own realm, being the ending point of everything that's considered "fictional" and the only place below the "real" world.

It is showed to work in the similar way to a timeline: Each snapshot represents a distinct moment in time, reflecting the distinction between past, present, and future. When viewed sequentially, every single one of these snapshots causes motion itself to happen inside the cartoon, forming what we perceive as it's continuous flow of time. Even after the jump to digital animation was made, the implication of a higher timeline which completely controlled what happened inside the cartoon was still present.

Additionally, while alterations on the normal timelines only create new universes that are still contained inside the Film Reel, alterations on the Film Reel create new versions of the entire cartoon, which is proved when Bugs Bunny (Dressed as a rabbit called "Harvey") grants Buster his wish of never being an actor in Tiny Toon Adventures, resulting on a new version of reality where he never starred on it. This is also supported by:

  1. In the When You're Hot… segment of Going Places, one of the flames, who are the main antagonists of the segment, states that that the Film Reel only contains a single version of the show, and burning a part of it causes a specific episode to be destroyed, implying that, to create a completely different version of the show, the Film Reel itself would need to be directly altered.
  2. When Buster Bunny wants to leave the show, he literally tries to go out of the picture by jumping out of the Film Reel, again implying a direct relation between it and the nature of the cartoon as a whole or, at the very least, an implication by the episode of the "show" and the Film Reel being used as synonyms in this context.
Considering the Film Reel's nature as a second temporal dimension over a multiverse with millions of four-dimensional timelines, it should have a Low 1-C rating based on the temporal dimension standards.
 
Tank1418 said:
Hello👋
Superman & Bugs Bunny Comic (2000) Is canon or not?
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I will admit i never read it, but unless any older short/episode or the idea that every Toon is an actor is referenced, no, it ins't

Tonygameman said:
Anyway, I've been checking up some feats after having just watched both analysis videos from Death Battle's channel (Tom's got uploaded a while ago), and it appears that the Road Runner has also been an animator like Bugs, Elmer and Taz were.
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Nice

Daffy has also been The Animator on Wabbit's "One Carroter in Search of an Artist", btw

The_2nd_Existential_Seed said:
Are the comics canon? If so we can use it and even look through the comics for feats/explanations of toon stuff.
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Only the DC Comics and Gold Key runs currently, but i am planning to make a CRT that will canonize the LT run by Dell Comics, since those comics are referenced on the Ultimate Visual Guide

Sadly, Tiny Toons and Animaniacs are the only media which largely talks about the mechanisms behind Toon Physiology
 
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Accelerated_Evolution said:
Yo

So, this thread was approved, with the Film Reel now being accepted as a Low 1-C structure

I'm about to re-write the section about it on my cosmology blog (Which is the one we currently use on the wiki), do you people think this is a good justification?:
The Film Reel is a literal film reel which exists on it's own realm, being the ending point of everything that's considered "fictional" and the only place below the "real" world.

It is showed to work in the similar way to a timeline: Each snapshot represents a distinct moment in time, reflecting the distinction between past, present, and future. When viewed sequentially, every single one of these snapshots causes motion itself to happen inside the cartoon, forming what we perceive as it's continuous flow of time. Even after the jump to digital animation was made, the implication of a higher timeline which completely controlled what happened inside the cartoon was still present.

Additionally, while alterations on the normal timelines only create new universes that are still contained inside the Film Reel, alterations on the Film Reel create new versions of the entire cartoon, which is proved when Bugs Bunny (Dressed as a rabbit called "Harvey") grants Buster his wish of never being an actor in Tiny Toon Adventures, resulting on a new version of reality where he never starred on it. This is also supported by:

  1. In the When You're Hot… segment of Going Places, one of the flames, who are the main antagonists of the segment, states that that the Film Reel only contains a single version of the show, and burning a part of it causes a specific episode to be destroyed, implying that, to create a completely different version of the show, the Film Reel itself would need to be directly altered.
  2. When Buster Bunny wants to leave the show, he literally tries to go out of the picture by jumping out of the Film Reel, again implying a direct relation between it and the nature of the cartoon as a whole or, at the very least, an implication by the episode of the "show" and the Film Reel being used as synonyms in this context.
Considering the Film Reel's nature as a second temporal dimension over a multiverse with millions of four-dimensional timelines, it should have a Low 1-C rating based on the temporal dimension standards.
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What's up ! Can you add this?
Evidence 4:Bug said "ladies and gentleman due to circumstances beyond our control be unable to continue with this picture" It shows that everything in the film reel is just a series of snapshots strung together. ( 4D snapshots.)
 
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Tank1418 said:
What's up ! Can you add this?
Evidence 4:Bug said "ladies and gentleman due to circumstances beyond our control be unable to continue with this picture" It shows that everything in the film reel is just a series of snapshots strung together. ( 4D snapshots.)
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I already added this:
It is showed to work in the similar way to a timeline: Each snapshot represents a distinct moment in time, reflecting the distinction between past, present, and future. When viewed sequentially, every single one of these snapshots causes motion itself to happen inside the cartoon, forming what we perceive as it's continuous flow of time. Even after the jump to digital animation was made, the implication of a higher timeline which completely controlled what happened inside the cartoon was still present.
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What do you think of the rest of the explanation?
 
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